Subject: Electric Dreams Date: 94-10-30 19:14:43 EST From: cbeatty@worf.uwsp.edu (Chris Beattie) To: 00177099@ysub.ysu.edu (dream list), abootch@mercury.sfsu.edu, adam.donahue@satacomm.com, ake@lighthouse.com, ALBERGM@delpi.com, alex@individual.puug.pt, Alexr@nochance.demon.co.uk, ALM9857@ritvax.isc.rit.edu, amesml@monu1.cc.monash.edu.au, ANDREWBU%ENGLAND@zip.atm.com, AYERKS@gmuvax.gmu.edu, ayvar@ragnarok.megalink.com.au, BConner@max.tiac.net, bill.garrett@ccibbs.com, billing@docnet.infolink.co.za, BILLLY@ludens.elte.hu, bjarnisa@ismennt.is, BobC788@aol.com, bobk829887@aol.com, bolakk@alleg.edu, cate@brahms.udel.edu, cathy@cassandra.ucr.edu, cbeattie@uwspmail.uwsp.edu, chuckles@astro.ocis.temple.edu, Dahven@aol.com, danielj@sage.cc.purdue.edu, danny@novalink.com, davisc@SLD1.GORDON.ARMY.MIL, dean@motint.mcd.mot.com, driver@mcs.com, duncan@skypoint.com, eternal@avo.com, Etherealux@aol.com, ewitt@worf.uwsp.edu, Featherfin@aol.com, felinoid@ccnet.com, flashner@math.tau.ac.il, gaustin@falcon.cc.ukans.edu, goat@pelican.cit.cornell.edu, healy@biomed.med.yale.edu, hroller@metronet.com, jamesh@dsinet.dgtl.com, JBCarroll@aol.com, jblowers@aol.com, JettB@aol.com, jev@cu.nih.gov, jocke@skom.se, joe@wsc.com, johnson@spectra.com, jung@pipeline.com, ka109016@student1.uwsp.edu, karen@is.internic.net, ken.peterson@hartford.com, kennethp@extern.powertech.no, kenwood@camelot.bradley.edu, keo@netcom.com, kmccall@netcom.com, ks6t+@andrew.cmu.edu, lfrazer@cerf.net, linnea@netcom.com, Martin.Schneider@zfe.siemens.de, mattias_stridbeck@public.se, mdbrown@artsci.wustl.edu, mettw@newt.phys.unsw.edu.au, mlooi@fit.qut.edu.au, Morkin@ccit.arizona.edu, mparry@charlie.usd.edu, nfmst+@pitt.edu, ommo@cyberspace.org, pbalafas@kralizec.zeta.org.au, philip@labtam.oz.au, pollakoff@palsplus.clifton.nj.us, pryan@prairienet.org, rasputin@pcb.mpoli.fi, RCWilk@aol.com, robojay@aol.com, ROGER@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu, Ruhl@interaccess.com, schell@condor.psych.ucsb.edu, schoficp@dcs.gla.ac.uk, scip3156@leonis.nus.sg, sgaiser@hamp.hampshire.edu, smidler@botinst.unizh.ch, sor@csos.orst.edu, SpacePsyc@aol.com, SQB2600@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU, taylor@geoserv.isgs.uiuc. _____________________________________________________________________ | Electric Dreams | | 30 October 1994 | --------------------------------------------------------------------- Notice from the editor: Between school and my two jobs, I find myself with very little time to put together the newsletter anymore. It looks like things are only going to continue getting more and more busy for me. So, unless someone else is willing to take over my position as head editor, it looks like this will be the *LAST* issue of Electric Dreams. For those who might be interested in being head editor, you can email me at cbeattie@uwspmail.uwsp.edu for information on what responsibilities are involved. In case nobody takes over for me, I would like to thank everyone who participated in Electric Dreams and made it as successful as it was. Special thanks to those who shared editorial chores with me, and attempted to lighten my load. Perhaps I will see some of you again in alt.dreams. --Chris Beattie _____________________________________________________________________ Dreams and Comments By the way, an interesting note for ? another section?? Last night I dreamed I was throwing chairs aside to hurry to prevent a man from sliding off a concrete platform into a racing, icy river. Just as I got near him, he feel in. I don't swim well and hesitated to jump in after him. Then a female nun jumped in to try to save him and was washed away and needed saving too. I yelled "Call 911!" I woke up my husband as I really had yelled that, and he woke me up asking me "What are you yelling about calling someone?" -Cathy ======COMMENTS ON THE ELECTRIC WHEELCHAIR BY VAL,THE DREAM SHAMAN====== I was first struck by the comment "...a disabled people can do anything" made by the dreamer about her dream; makes one wonder whether the people in the dream are truly disabled. Perhaps it's a state of mind? When the people "hook up their chairs to a wire that was strung across a valley and were supposed to make it to the other side" there is an image of *trying to cross ground* and reach the *other side* by performing an awkward group tight-rope act on wheels --a near impossible feat! "Crossing to an other side" = communication, to me. The dreamer is trying to reach out or bring together others with a common "disability" or challenge. Work needs to be done, but no true communication has taken place. I feel this is a dream about beginnings and plans. At the start of this project, everything's a bit overwhelming. So much to do and so many ways to do it. There is also an element of danger--it's not very wise or practical to perform a high wire act in a wheel chair, even more dangerous in a group where everyone is "connected" in some way to each other. If one person falls, they all fall together. End of story. The job is near impossible for these "challenged" people. The high wire act gets even more perilous when the wire is "live." The guy who is stuck out on the wire alone gets electrocuted and not given a chance for survival or help from the others. He has isolated himself and does not want to take anyone down with him (I'm assuming that he doesn't, we don't really know what this wheel chair guy's wants and needs how because they are unimportant in the dream and the dreamer has not revealed any). Perhaps the dream was so funny because it was so gruesome--a light reaction to something so horrible is common. Most slasher horror movies are down right hysterical. Laughing at the grotesque dream could've been her mind's way of letting her know it was just a dream and the images within it were merely symbolic and may not even be a concern of hers. If we were to probe a bit deeper, it could also reflect a tendency to laugh at a problem when you should be paying attention to what's going on and why. The man in the "electric wheelchair" could also be a symbol of a person who is too confident,ambitious, or aggressive. This person isolates his or herself to work on stuff that matters most to them only. They are not a "people" person. He/She is also very much aware that being out there on their own is a bit dangerous, perhaps even stupid; the person may unconsciously want or need support, but they turn down help when it's available to "save face." When this person takes on too much work, they "burn out" (thus, the electrocution image) and flop awkwardly around like a fish out of water (or fish being electrocuted, as this case goes). The wheelchair guy in the dream could also be the dreamer herself observing herself at a distance. It would be silly to ask her; do you see yourself as a disabled man in a wheelchair trying to get across to "the other side" by performing a "live" wire act on wheels? All those images are symbolic. It seems that the point of the wheelchair guy's plight is not the matter of "getting across to the other side" but staying in a safe middle ground/zone where no one can get to him. He is energetic (electric) and bounces. Perhaps if we look away from the gruesome "electrocution" thing we can see that the man's plight is also a pleasure. The dream seems to be a contradiction/combination of things. What do _you_ think? ========COMMENTS ON TORNADOES (7-30-94)BY VAL, THE DREAM SHAMAN======= I've only got a couple of minutes to do this so my comments here may read a bit fragmented... Thunderstorms in dreams to me mean some sort of "natural" conflict is going on in my environment. Since you saw three distinct "long, sinuous" tornadoes, I'd say there are/were three challenges facing you. You watch them coming toward you. Observing how they look and change (from sharp and distinct to fuzzy and full of debris). While you are doing this, you are gathering information about the three problems facing you. After you've gained enough necessary information, you decide to take cover and prepare to wait out the storms. This shows a healthy reaction and decision. You are facing these challenges and preparing for them. When you seek shelter, you are with other women, but these women are young; perhaps inexperienced? I feel that these women are a "shelter" to you themselves. When you are in a basement, you are within (or near) the foundation of a house. Darth Vader is haunting you, though. Perhaps he represents someone abusive (an enemy) you left behind when you sought shelter from the storms. He is wounded and defeated, yet is being helped by others. This is a surprise to you because you know how horrible this person/image can be. Why would anyone want to help him? Underneath all his darkness, he is still human and still needs healing. People who are abusive are most likely victims themselves once upon a time. They need to be healed as much as their "abuse-ees" need to be healed. You realize this once you remember the end of "Return of the Jedi" when Darth comes around after his "master" (the cruel evil emperor) has been slayed and is able to help his son. I see these three storms of your dream surrounding a Darth Vader-like person. You are distant to him and most of your friends/co-workers are younger than you are. You have set your foundation and hope in your heart that this Darth-Vader person in your life defeats his/her demons and is not defeated by his/her demons. You want this person to do this for themself. Helping him/her would make this person dependant on others and they wouldn't learn anything through it. Yet, you know that, as long as healing will take place, you can weather the storms in relative safety among friends who share similar experiences. What do you think? =========COMMENTS FOR JOURNEY THROUGH THE SEWER (7-31-94)BY VAL, THE DREAM SHAMAN====== Darth is your companion, yet you are unsure. He is beside you and the tracks. The railroad tracks, though different, support the passage of two very different types of trains. Perhaps you and the "Darth Vader" person are following the same track (even though you both are different from each other) or purpose in life, yet you are continually unsure about him and are surprised that you both are following this "same track." You lose Darth by falling into water (love? releasing emotion?), but you are able to float (another image of "riding" some sort of conflict out). As you go through the tunnel, you hold up your arm to keep away cobwebs (entanglements)and you realize that there is something "rewarding" about riding the "current" (of your emotions). You remember some words of guidance you received in the past. There is something noble about suffering and getting through difficult things (the sewers). You stop at a dead end. This emotional stuff got you nowhere. Riding it out isn't enough. You know you have to go about things the hard way. You come to a door--it leads you to "water works" (emotions in check or working more constructively-emotionally?). An early morning= new beginning. Someone is singing. Music= a celebration or expression of. Perhaps reminiscent of a serenade to you for getting through things? Song = reward. What do you think? Yet you worry you are late. Guilty about something? Perhaps there is something you feel you must do but time has already taken its course over the deal. Then you realize that it is out of your control and you wake to reality. ============COMMENTS FOR ROAD TRIP(8-1-94)BY VAL, THE DREAM SHAMAN======= You are not being driven, you are driving. You are in control of something. Someone else is trying to get to the same place you are getting to, but he is misled. The people who have helped him know full well he will not make it and he moves on into oblivion. You drive on a two lane at night. A symbol of being split in two late in a situation. You lose control and are on foot, but were you still on the road? No. You enter someone else's house--a two story--again the dualism! There are two stories being told--yours and someone else's. You are in the "someone else's" home--whatever's going on is not yours to dwell within--perhaps a situation where you are accused of something that is not your fault, yet you dwell on it/in it at the lowest floor/story. This roots you to the ground. You can't totally free yourself from it. But then there's the den of birds. One bird that you point out is an albino cockatiel--to me, anything white is a symbol of death and change. Birds fly and rule the air, hence they are beings of air; the aspect of intelligence (birds are quite smart), spirituality, and peace. A white bird (the combination of these elements) is a symbol of a release. The birds are tame. You are not threatened by this death/release; it is a friendly mingling of spirits. You are discovered by the owner of the house. He are surprised that you have come to them and do not harass you about it. He guides you when you ask for his help, but he cannot give you all the details. You know where your destination now lies (Huntsville) and all other routes to that one mysterious place (route 10 in particular) have no clear direction. I feel these dreams of yours express what has gone on recently in your life. You start out waiting out a storm, lose someone who is an enemy (Darth Vader) who needs help (he's a bad guy, wounded) yet you need to help/heal yourself, you make it through some rough emotions (facing them), and travel several roads to get to your destination. Only one road leads to your true destination and, with some guidance from others, you realize all other roads will lead you nowhere. At the end of your serial dream(s) you have made the decision to move forward... Good luck! ======COMMENTS ON THE MATERIAL/IMMATERIAL WORLD BY VAL, THE DREAM SHAMAN====== The glass you "bend through" is a classic image of "shape-shifting"--you are manipulating reality and changing the way you see and go about doing things in order to gain a new perspective on a particular situation. The glass is a transparent barrier, a way of getting through things by "seeing them through." You need to break into the other side to explore what it is you need to get through. It seems to be a lucid dream rubic's cube... You don't want to fly because that involves "flight" or escaping the challenge instead of meeting it head on. You must face the issue at hand, it's not going to go away, and you must get through it on your own. The glass warms underneath your fingertips as you do this, and I feel you found out that the challenge isn't so bad and can be enjoyed. You are learning something through this by doing it. No one has taught you how... Like many things in life, you just "do it and get through it." You feel you should explore, but then this becomes unnecessary. You already know what's going on inside you and a review would be pointless at this time. It's a time to move forward, no time for reflection. You walk into a bedroom...this has all sorts of symbolism. Think about what people normally do in bedrooms. We sleep, dream, (in your case) work, and (some of us) have intimate encounters with others (sex). The lighting is dim--a sense of mystery about the place. You stand in front of a dresser "with hidden compartments"--again a sense of mystery, the unknown, the unexplored. Were you tempted to go through the dresser? Whether you were or not, you do not explore this mysterious thing and go for the surface stuff; the styrofoam box. Now,to me, styrofoam is fake, artificial, and just cheap. Then again, it is also light. In any case, the box is on the surface of a mystery you are not yet exploring--you are just playing at it. You're going to hit me, Chris, but the "ball" in the box has all sorts of sexual implications. The ball is, well, you know...(will you let me get away with this?) a common symbol of testicles (not tentacles!). The testicle--I mean--_ball_ (in the box = some sort of union?) is on top the dresser (the dresser being a symbol of the feminine sex or womb with all its "hidden compartments"). You decide to take the ball in the box off of the dresser and _you_ penetrate the surface of the male (ah-hem) symbol. You expect the ball to be just like one of those accupressure balls with the chimes and stuff but it just ends up being made out of styrofoam, just like the box. You are handling all surface material. The male symbol (if you wish to agree with me that it _is_ indeed a male symbol) is all fluff and superficiality. The ball being in the box also reminds me of a gift you have received, but it doesn't turn out like you had planned/expected. It's not only a disappointment, but it's also a defeat. You thought you were close, but you discover it was all "surface" and not worth anything--light and fluffy styrofoam. I believe that glass triggers lucidity for you because glass, for you,could be a symbol of "vision"--you "see" through the glass and it is a fragile barrier. You get through situations by "observing" what's going on from behind "glass." Since you're a close friend of mine, I know you wear glasses. You see the world through glass. Before you act or even make a decision to act upon something, you review, preview, everything-view the aspects of a situation(s) in detail. When you "get through" the glass and manipulate objects in your dreams lucidly,you are manipulating the world/reality around you. Lucidity may have been more difficult for you to first achieve because you were not used to being in a position of power/manipulation and I know you are uncomfortable when you are placed in a position of leadership where your responsibility is to tell others what to do. As a "web weaver" you are currently manipulating through the world through, yet again, glass...you know? Not only the glass of your eye-glasses, but the glass of a computer monitor! Ain't that a kick? --Val the (sexually-metaphorically-depraved) Dream Shaman ============COMMENTS ON BIZARRE SHOPPING DREAM BY VAL, THE DREAM SHAMAN====== My first impressions were that you are covering up your aggressive (perhaps even assertive side) and letting others (the character Jon Claude Van Damm) fight for you and others. You are distant and unharmed by the action. You watch as two mobsters harass the owner of a store. You do not take action. Instead, Van Damm shows up to beat on the perpetrators. You describe Van Damm coming up "a service escalator"; an image of putting someone on a pedestal? Are you the damsel in distress? Since Van Damm is coming up from a _service_ escalator, he is highly regarded for his "service" as a fighter for you and others. He fights a "high kicking fight"--he is showy and fast; the hero in action. You stand by and watch at a safe distance. The mobsters showed up while you were in a fish shop in the frozen fish section. I get the feeling you weren't there for "cold fish" but you are put beside "cold fish" while the fight between the mobsters and Van Damm is going on. Perhaps the violence of their fight leaves you cold, or you were already put off by "cold fish" when the mobsters started harassing the owner and, romantically, Van Damm comes to the rescue--for the owner and even for you. You bring yourself away from the "cold fish" and leave. You feel old-fashioned (hence the Victorian style dress) and want to pamper yourself (by trying on beautiful gowns). All this goes on a balcony level. Perhaps a nostalgic wish to be cherished and decorated, put on a pedestal? This dream may also have something to say about your relationships and experiences with men in general. Are you looking for a relationship, been through the chase, and (due to fighting/ harassment/domestic violence) have you been left cold? ====== INTERPRETATION BY CATHY OF THE DRY LAGOON AND THE MAN WITH A GUN BY JIM (ISSUE 15)=== DREAM: "I went to a place that seemed remote to me, to see some relatives; [...] When I got there, I went out to see what else was there. All of my relatives and I went [...] to a building. I was in this building with many artifacts. Eventually I wound up in a chemistry lab with a group of scientists, both male and female. We all went downstairs. There was a party going on in the first floor or basement of this building. The atmosphere was dark, [...] It also had a cafeteria, which [...] was somewhat bright, [and ...] an ice cream area and a dark bar-like area with a lot of people, especially men there." INTERPRETATION: The trip back to family is a journey of the mind, back to one's roots, an exploration of the personality born of and shaped by the family. The artifacts suggest a concern with inherited traits. The scientists replace the family as a clue of the clinical dream approach to understanding the self. The journey down is a journey into the self. The various parts of the building, dark and light, suggest a rich complex personality. The speaker seems male and the men indicate masculine characteristics. DREAM: "I was in a party of people where two of the women got promotions to Captain, and I remembered as I went by the ice cream bar that we remarked that the two women made the grade." INTERPRETATION: The promotion of the women suggests that feminine characteristics are admired by some authority which the dreamer wants to impress. This seems to be a reminder to encourage the few feminine traits amid all the masculine ones. DREAM: "Then we went (the scientist group) [...] to find things [...] to what looked like a river in a jungle [but ...] it was more likely a cave [...] The river was lighted, and it seemed clear and sparking light bluish green, and inviting [...] We all took off our clothes and hopped in. The water felt good on my body, but it also seemed strange. It seemed to have a gelatinous crust on the top, that dented like a black-hole demonstration when you jumped in it. The water did not seem all that wet, although it did seem of reasonable consistency. It seemed almost as if it were made of chemicals." INTERPRETATION: The jungle image suggests the difficulty of penetrating the personality further. The path to enlightenment about the self is symbolized by the river, which is inviting. The effort to immerse the conscious in the water, or the "soul" of the self, however, is not really successful and feels artificial. DREAM: "One of the men in my party got out and walked away. He was medium height and stockily built with a beard, and he looked like a big Western guy [...]" INTERPRETATION: The man who leaves indicates perhaps the traditional Western Man of Science, the post-enlightenment scientist, who abandons the effort to understand the soul and returns to more socially interactive levels of the self. DREAM: " [...] I finished getting food in line at the cafeteria, went by the cashier without paying since I wanted ice cream too, and got some ice cream, with the intention of going back and paying. [...] Then a tall guy came out;[...] He held a pistol in his hand. I finished getting my ice cream and then I walked back to the cashier. I saw the guy come towards me. When I saw this, I dropped everything ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- From cbeatty@worf.uwsp.edu Sun Oct 30 19:11:55 1994 Received: from worf.uwsp.edu by mail03.mail.aol.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA082672315; Sun, 30 Oct 1994 19:11:55 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from worf.uwsp.edu (worf.uwsp.edu [143.236.1.12]) by worf.uwsp.edu (8.6.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id SAA29953; Sun, 30 Oct 1994 18:04:34 -0600 Date: Sun, 30 Oct 1994 18:04:34 -0600 (CST) From: Chris Beattie Subject: Electric Dreams To: dream list <00177099@ysub.ysu.edu>, abootch@mercury.sfsu.edu, adam.donahue@satacomm.com, ake@lighthouse.com, ALBERGM@delpi.com, alex@individual.puug.pt, Alexr@nochance.demon.co.uk, ALM9857@ritvax.isc.rit.edu, amesml@monu1.cc.monash.edu.au, ANDREWBU%ENGLAND@zip.atm.com, AYERKS@gmuvax.gmu.edu, ayvar@ragnarok.megalink.com.au, BConner@max.tiac.net, bill.garrett@ccibbs.com, billing@docnet.infolink.co.za, BILLLY@ludens.elte.hu, bjarnisa@ismennt.is, BobC788@aol.com, bobk829887@aol.com, bolakk@alleg.edu, cate@brahms.udel.edu, cathy@cassandra.ucr.edu, cbeattie@uwspmail.uwsp.edu, chuckles@astro.ocis.temple.edu, Dahven@aol.com, danielj@sage.cc.purdue.edu, danny@novalink.com, davisc@SLD1.GORDON.ARMY.MIL, dean@motint.mcd.mot.com, driver@mcs.com, duncan@skypoint.com, eternal@avo.com, Etherealux@aol.com, ewitt@worf.uwsp.edu, Featherfin@aol.com, felinoid@ccnet.com, flashner@math.tau.ac.il, gaustin@falcon.cc.ukans.edu, goat@pelican.cit.cornell.edu, healy@biomed.med.yale.edu, hroller@metronet.com, jamesh@dsinet.dgtl.com, JBCarroll@aol.com, jblowers@aol.com, JettB@aol.com, jev@cu.nih.gov, jocke@skom.se, joe@wsc.com, johnson@spectra.com, jung@pipeline.com, ka109016@student1.uwsp.edu, karen@is.internic.net, ken.peterson@hartford.com, kennethp@extern.powertech.no, kenwood@camelot.bradley.edu, keo@netcom.com, kmccall@netcom.com, ks6t+@andrew.cmu.edu, lfrazer@cerf.net, linnea@netcom.com, Martin.Schneider@zfe.siemens.de, mattias_stridbeck@public.se, mdbrown@artsci.wustl.edu, mettw@newt.phys.unsw.edu.au, mlooi@fit.qut.edu.au, Morkin@ccit.arizona.edu, mparry@charlie.usd.edu, nfmst+@pitt.edu, ommo@cyberspace.org, pbalafas@kralizec.zeta.org.au, philip@labtam.oz.au, pollakoff@palsplus.clifton.nj.us, pryan@prairienet.org, rasputin@pcb.mpoli.fi, RCWilk@aol.com, robojay@aol.com, ROGER@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu, Ruhl@interaccess.com, schell@condor.psych.ucsb.edu, schoficp@dcs.gla.ac.uk, scip3156@leonis.nus.sg, sgaiser@hamp.hampshire.edu, smidler@botinst.unizh.ch, sor@csos.orst.edu, SpacePsyc@aol.com, SQB2600@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU, taylor@geoserv.isgs.uiuc.edu, tbriscoe@aoc.nrao.edu, u235@clinet.fi, uh681@freenet.victoria.bc.ca, ujmp1@sunyit.edu, Urimye@aol.com, way@oswego.edu, weasel@halcyon.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Electric Dreams Date: 94-10-30 19:14:44 EST From: cbeatty@worf.uwsp.edu (Chris Beattie) To: 00177099@ysub.ysu.edu (dream list), abootch@mercury.sfsu.edu, adam.donahue@satacomm.com, ake@lighthouse.com, ALBERGM@delpi.com, alex@individual.puug.pt, Alexr@nochance.demon.co.uk, ALM9857@ritvax.isc.rit.edu, amesml@monu1.cc.monash.edu.au, ANDREWBU%ENGLAND@zip.atm.com, AYERKS@gmuvax.gmu.edu, ayvar@ragnarok.megalink.com.au, BConner@max.tiac.net, bill.garrett@ccibbs.com, billing@docnet.infolink.co.za, BILLLY@ludens.elte.hu, bjarnisa@ismennt.is, BobC788@aol.com, bobk829887@aol.com, bolakk@alleg.edu, cate@brahms.udel.edu, cathy@cassandra.ucr.edu, cbeattie@uwspmail.uwsp.edu, chuckles@astro.ocis.temple.edu, Dahven@aol.com, danielj@sage.cc.purdue.edu, danny@novalink.com, davisc@SLD1.GORDON.ARMY.MIL, dean@motint.mcd.mot.com, driver@mcs.com, duncan@skypoint.com, eternal@avo.com, Etherealux@aol.com, ewitt@worf.uwsp.edu, Featherfin@aol.com, felinoid@ccnet.com, flashner@math.tau.ac.il, gaustin@falcon.cc.ukans.edu, goat@pelican.cit.cornell.edu, healy@biomed.med.yale.edu, hroller@metronet.com, jamesh@dsinet.dgtl.com, JBCarroll@aol.com, jblowers@aol.com, JettB@aol.com, jev@cu.nih.gov, jocke@skom.se, joe@wsc.com, johnson@spectra.com, jung@pipeline.com, ka109016@student1.uwsp.edu, karen@is.internic.net, ken.peterson@hartford.com, kennethp@extern.powertech.no, kenwood@camelot.bradley.edu, keo@netcom.com, kmccall@netcom.com, ks6t+@andrew.cmu.edu, lfrazer@cerf.net, linnea@netcom.com, Martin.Schneider@zfe.siemens.de, mattias_stridbeck@public.se, mdbrown@artsci.wustl.edu, mettw@newt.phys.unsw.edu.au, mlooi@fit.qut.edu.au, Morkin@ccit.arizona.edu, mparry@charlie.usd.edu, nfmst+@pitt.edu, ommo@cyberspace.org, pbalafas@kralizec.zeta.org.au, philip@labtam.oz.au, pollakoff@palsplus.clifton.nj.us, pryan@prairienet.org, rasputin@pcb.mpoli.fi, RCWilk@aol.com, robojay@aol.com, ROGER@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu, Ruhl@interaccess.com, schell@condor.psych.ucsb.edu, schoficp@dcs.gla.ac.uk, scip3156@leonis.nus.sg, sgaiser@hamp.hampshire.edu, smidler@botinst.unizh.ch, sor@csos.orst.edu, SpacePsyc@aol.com, SQB2600@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU, taylor@geoserv.isgs.uiuc. and walked away from the bar area and outside the building. I quickly turned right and looked back to find him walking towards me. I then walked quickly outside the building from the back to the front. Then I turned right again at the front. I looked back and saw him back there still coming after me with the gun in his hand. [...] I wanted to figure out what to do" INTERPRETATION: The return to get food, suggests a return to more physical and social levels of the self. The quest to confront the spiritual self has failed, defeated by the scientific approach. The earlier promotion of the woman perhaps suggests that abandoning a traditional scientific approach for a more "feminine" or spiritual approach to self-understanding might help the dreamer. The worrying about payment suggests that the unresolved business of self-exploration. The man with the gun confronting the dreamer with the ice cream is a provocative image. Only the dreamer can figure this out and the very fear associated with the image in the dream suggest deep inhibitions around the image. The dream might be exploring a fascination with male-male sexuality or male-male bonding. The ice cream and gun are phallic symbols. Other interpretations are of course logical depending on the connotations of these objects to the dreamer (innocence vs. violence, fulfilling vs. draining, etc.) Appropriately the dream ends with confusion, a sign of unresolved business. ======INTERPRETATION BY CATHY OF HIPPIE JESUS(9-9-94)BY VAL,THE DREAM SHAMAN (Issue 16)====== This dream could symbolize the feeling of degradation experienced by many women who participate in Christian religions that do not allow women to become priests or, in some versions, even hint at women being more innately evil than men. The insensitivity of some Christian churches on issues such as birth control, non-reproductive sex, and abortion could be a subtext of this dream. ======FEMALE PERSONA ENDS QUIZ GAME BY JIM BLOWERS (JBLOWERS@AOL.COM)====== I went to my room at a hotel where a conference was being given. It was the same old hotel as in the previous two dreams I had tonight. There was a wall on which I could back up files. I pressed some buttons but they would not work. It kept giving me the wrong color. The room looked like a bedroom with a wall with buttons, which was on the side of the room away from the window. The room was about the size of my dorm in Evanston. It was about 11:30 pm or so. I found out about a game that was played late at night. It was some trivia-type game played over the gizmos. There was a central room,where the people ran the game, and there were walls on each of the rooms to receive the questions of the game players. The design of this floor (it was maybe about sixth or seventh story) was the same, roughly, as that of the first floor of the Rochester Public Library. My room was on an offshoot corridor in the front left, and the game played from the back left. I went back to play. I waited for the question to come. It came. It was something like who's the most of some characteristic? I don't remember exactly what it was, and I suppose if I tried to remember it in the dream, it would change. In any case, the question came from the window side of the room opposite from the gizmo wall. I knew the answer was probably A. I tried to enter A on the gizmo wall, but the machine would not take the answer. Then I heard that someone else had guessed it and had won. So I went out into the middle lobby across to the room where they were running this game. There were two rooms. The immediate room was administrative, and the game was apparently played from the room to the left. I asked to talk to the game people,but they would not accept me. In fact, they were starting the game again. I decided to increase my chances. Apparently the game could take many sorts of contestants. So I made up a female entry for myself and entered her in as a player. Now both my original self and my new female entity were contestants. I never, however, felt like I was the female, or did I see her. I went back to my room,ready to play as either player, but set up to play the female one. When they started, they immediately squawked about a car left parked in their room by my female persona. I don't remember such a car and I wondered where they could get something so off the wall as that. My display read "go" and "100," with several other things lit. I yelled something like "Take that car and shove it!" All the lights went off, the "100" changed to "10" indicating not playing and the "go" went off and went into standby status. I figured they must have thrown both my personas out of the game for making that remark. End of dream. ======DREAM COMMENTARY BY BOB ON FEMALE PERSONA ENDS QUIZ GAME BY JIM====== The dream opens with the dreamer at "the same old hotel as in the previous two dreams." Hotels are meant for temporary shelter, but the dreamer keeps showing up there. The "wall on which (the dreamer) could back up files" may be the dream mind making a pun; i.e. the dreamer feels his back is up against a wall. In any event, the fact that the buttons don't work means the dreamer is risking some kind of irretrievable loss. The fact that the wall kept giving the dreamer "the wrong color" may also be a kind of pun; i.e. there is an unresponsive "wall" which is telling the dreamer he is the wrong color. Possibly the dreamer is a member of a minority group, or for some other reason feels discriminated against. There is a trivial "game" being played, but the dreamer is in a no win situation. He has the answer but the "machine" (the people who are running the "game"?), won't "take the answer." The dreamer isn't accepted by the people who are running the game. They don't want to hear what he has to say, and won't "accept" him, in fact they start running "the game" again. The fact that the game has an "administrative" room, and the dreamer works with the army, may indicate that possibly the conflict in the dream concerns his career advancement. The dreamer tries to increase his chances by entering himself in the contest as a minority (woman) This may indicate that the dreamer believes that being a member of a discriminated minority can be an advantage. In the dream by representing himself as a woman he has doubled his chances of winning. The people running the game object to their game room being turned into a garage or storage area for a vehicle which offers potential mobility to a minority member. The dreamer openly expresses his feelings ("Take that car and shove it!") and his perfect 100 turns into a 10, it (he) is devalued by 90%. The dreamer is back in a no-win situation again. He is on standby status, a status which can be defined as availability not being utilized. In sum, the conflict in the dream appears to be related to the dreamer's feeling that he is being discriminated against, and that discrimination is thwarting his career advancement. He cannot win, because when he has the answer, the "wall" or "machine" won't accept it, and when he openly expresses his feelings, his performance is devalued, and he is placed on standby; i.e., he stops advancing. If the dreamer disagrees with the above interpretation, then it is wrong. Only the dreamer knows. _____________________________________________________________________ Electric Dreams is an independant electronic publication, and is not affiliated with any other organization. ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- From cbeatty@worf.uwsp.edu Sun Oct 30 19:11:55 1994 Received: from worf.uwsp.edu by mail03.mail.aol.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA082672315; Sun, 30 Oct 1994 19:11:55 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from worf.uwsp.edu (worf.uwsp.edu [143.236.1.12]) by worf.uwsp.edu (8.6.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id SAA29953; Sun, 30 Oct 1994 18:04:34 -0600 Date: Sun, 30 Oct 1994 18:04:34 -0600 (CST) From: Chris Beattie Subject: Electric Dreams To: dream list <00177099@ysub.ysu.edu>, abootch@mercury.sfsu.edu, adam.donahue@satacomm.com, ake@lighthouse.com, ALBERGM@delpi.com, alex@individual.puug.pt, Alexr@nochance.demon.co.uk, ALM9857@ritvax.isc.rit.edu, amesml@monu1.cc.monash.edu.au, ANDREWBU%ENGLAND@zip.atm.com, AYERKS@gmuvax.gmu.edu, ayvar@ragnarok.megalink.com.au, BConner@max.tiac.net, bill.garrett@ccibbs.com, billing@docnet.infolink.co.za, BILLLY@ludens.elte.hu, bjarnisa@ismennt.is, BobC788@aol.com, bobk829887@aol.com, bolakk@alleg.edu, cate@brahms.udel.edu, cathy@cassandra.ucr.edu, cbeattie@uwspmail.uwsp.edu, chuckles@astro.ocis.temple.edu, Dahven@aol.com, danielj@sage.cc.purdue.edu, danny@novalink.com, davisc@SLD1.GORDON.ARMY.MIL, dean@motint.mcd.mot.com, driver@mcs.com, duncan@skypoint.com, eternal@avo.com, Etherealux@aol.com, ewitt@worf.uwsp.edu, Featherfin@aol.com, felinoid@ccnet.com, flashner@math.tau.ac.il, gaustin@falcon.cc.ukans.edu, goat@pelican.cit.cornell.edu, healy@biomed.med.yale.edu, hroller@metronet.com, jamesh@dsinet.dgtl.com, JBCarroll@aol.com, jblowers@aol.com, JettB@aol.com, jev@cu.nih.gov, jocke@skom.se, joe@wsc.com, johnson@spectra.com, jung@pipeline.com, ka109016@student1.uwsp.edu, karen@is.internic.net, ken.peterson@hartford.com, kennethp@extern.powertech.no, kenwood@camelot.bradley.edu, keo@netcom.com, kmccall@netcom.com, ks6t+@andrew.cmu.edu, lfrazer@cerf.net, linnea@netcom.com, Martin.Schneider@zfe.siemens.de, mattias_stridbeck@public.se, mdbrown@artsci.wustl.edu, mettw@newt.phys.unsw.edu.au, mlooi@fit.qut.edu.au, Morkin@ccit.arizona.edu, mparry@charlie.usd.edu, nfmst+@pitt.edu, ommo@cyberspace.org, pbalafas@kralizec.zeta.org.au, philip@labtam.oz.au, pollakoff@palsplus.clifton.nj.us, pryan@prairienet.org, rasputin@pcb.mpoli.fi, RCWilk@aol.com, robojay@aol.com, ROGER@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu, Ruhl@interaccess.com, schell@condor.psych.ucsb.edu, schoficp@dcs.gla.ac.uk, scip3156@leonis.nus.sg, sgaiser@hamp.hampshire.edu, smidler@botinst.unizh.ch, sor@csos.orst.edu, SpacePsyc@aol.com, SQB2600@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU, taylor@geoserv.isgs.uiuc.edu, tbriscoe@aoc.nrao.edu, u235@clinet.fi, uh681@freenet.victoria.bc.ca, ujmp1@sunyit.edu, Urimye@aol.com, way@oswego.edu, weasel@halcyon.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII .