E.l.e.c.t.r.i.c D.r.e.a.m.s Subscribe: electric-dreams-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Unsubscribe: electric-dreams-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Subscribe Online: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/electric-dreams o|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|o E.l.e.c.t.r.i.c D.r.e.a.m.s Volume #14 Issue #6 June 2007 ISSN# 1089 4284 o|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|o Electric Dreams: http://www.dreamgate.com/electric-dreams Cover: Cover by Lyndel Thomas http://dreamgate.hypermart.net/ed-covers/ed14-6cov.jpg o|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|o C O N T E N T S ++ Editor's Notes Richard Wilkerson ++ Global Dreaming News Harry Bosma ++ Column: An Excerpt from the Lucid Dream Exchange Robert Waggoner interviews pasQuale Editor, Lucy Gillis ++ Column: The View – World Dreams Peace Bridge: An Outbreak of Group Creativity: Can They Hear Us Drumming? Jean Campbell ++ Dream: "Mushroom Predator" Stan Kulikowski II ++ Article: The Cinderella Complex Kurt Forrer ++ Column: Dreams and Fantasy in Pan’s Labyrinth DreamRePlay with David Jenkins, PhD ++ DREAM SECTION: From Kat Peters-Midland XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX D E A D L I N E : Send articles and news by June 20th for the July issue XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX Post Dreams and Comments on Dreams to: http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/temple Send news, events, workshops, conferences& reviews to Harry Bosma Send Articles, news and other items to: Richard Wilkerson: o|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|o Editor's Notes o|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|o Welcome to the June 2007 issue of Electric Dreams, your portal to dreams and dreamwork online. If you are new to dreams and dreamwork, there are a few e-lists where Electric Dreams people seem to congregate that might interest you. One is dreamchatters@yahoogroups.com Subscribe by going here and registering http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dreamchatters/ .. and another is the IASD bulletin board. Please, no dreams interpreted here, just discussion of dreaming and dreamwork topics. http://www.asdreams.org/subidxdiscussionsbboard.htm If you haven’t yet made reservations at the 2007 Annual Conference of the International Association for the Study of Dreams, I encourage you rush over and sign up, there is still time to get in and join the fun at Somoma State College in Rohnert Park, California! asdreams.org/2007 In this issue: Global Dreaming News editor Harry Bosma, brings you dream news and events from around the world, online and offline. If you have dream news you want to get out, please send those to Harry for next month’s publication at ed-news@alquinte.com Lucy Gillis & Robert Waggoner travel the globe in search of lucid dreamer’s and their stories which go into the Lucid Dream Exchange. This month Robert interviews Dutch lucid dreamer, pasQuale. Her passion for lucid dreaming has led to the development of the popular website, www.ld4all.com and many stories in this month’s Excerpt from the Lucid Dream Exchange. The World Dream Peace Bridge, an international collection of collective dreamers whose projects span the globe, has been very active this month in integrating their experiences with dream, publishing books and preparing for the world's largest-ever drumming circle (Monday, June 25, for Drum Dance and Dream for Peace). Read all about their activities in this month’s View from the Bridge by Jean Campbell : “An Outbreak of Group Creativity: Can They Hear Us Drumming?” “The sense that the dream was here in charge all the way to the finished product is overwhelming. No less so is the thought that the dream not only knew in what form and how it was to become manifest, but also where and when.” This extract and more can be found in an interesting article on dreams and invention titled “Cinderella Complex” from Kurt Forrer. David Jenkins, PhD., the explorer of the wide, wide world of dreaming, reports these adventures through his weekly online e-pulse, DreamPlay. This month’s selection in EDreams uses Pan’s Labyrinth as a way to explore dreamwork. Is your dream journal a literary mess of fragments, hard to read entries and half told stories? Perhaps you need to apply your literary skills to these stories. Check out how Stan Kulikowski II writes up his dream texts in “Mushroom Predator.” Burning buildings, a meteor striking the earth, an engulfing shroud, and floating fish is it Global Warming? No, just the latest installment of the dream section of the Electric Dreams! From Kat Peters-Midland. Get your own dream published on Electric Dreams by submitting at http://dreamgate.com/forms/dream_flow.htm Janet Garrett archives past issues so you can search out specific articles and authors in an easy-to-access format. These articles contain a wide range of information for dreamers and dreamworkers. You can see her work progress and view hundreds of article on dreams at: http://www.improverse.com/ed-articles/index.htm Cover by Lyndel Thomas http://dreamgate.hypermart.net/ed-covers/ed14-6cov.jpg -------------------- For those of you who are new to dreamwork, be sure to stop by one of the many resources: http://dreamgate.com/electric-dreams http://dreamgate.com/dream/library http://dreamunit.net/news-en/ Electric Dreams in PDF: Back online at a new archive Archive Courtesy of Nick Cumbo and the Dream of Peace Network http://www.dreamofpeace.net.au/electric-dreams/ -------------------- -Richard Wilkerson o|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|o G L O B A L D R E A M I N G N E W S June 2007 o|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|o Email all dream news to Harry Bosma at his special ed-news@alquinte.com address. Online: - Dream Video Picks of the Month - Twisk Dreambase - matchAdream.com - Dream Journals on the Net - Russian Dream Art Gallery - Dream Maps Physical world: - IASD News: Conferences - Canada: Christopher Sowton Dreamreading Seminar - Berkeley: the Dream Institute - New Mexico: Victoria Rabinowe - North Carolina: Tom Lane's Circle of Dreams - New England Psychics Meetup Group - Dream Course at JFKU in Pleasant Hill, CA Books, movies, research: - Griffin: Expectation fulfillment theory - Light in lucid dreams Reminders: - Various calendars - Toko-pa Turner's Dreamspeak Column - Strephon Says: Podcasts and blog - Ritual DaFuMu for Peace * * * ONLINE * * * --- - Dream Video Picks of the Month --- Creating and sharing videos is now easier than ever before. What are dreamers putting online? This month we have a theme of recurring dreams. Episode 3 of a Recurring Dream Serie: Alessa - Instr0 http://youtube.com/watch?v=QY492z-pjM0 Recurring Dreams - Renetto http://youtube.com/watch?v=c1TKBySA9w0 A Recurring Dream Within A Dream - break9away http://youtube.com/watch?v=Si76-WlnCcU Have you found other dream videos, or created your own, let us know. Richard Wilkerson --- - Twisk Dreambase --- The Twisk Dreambase has returned online! Twisk Dreambase is an online dream archive that turned into a multi-user blog over the years. It’s been online from 1999 - 2004. Then it went underground for a while (circumstances, circumstances!). Now it’s 2007 and time for a comeback! Twisk Dreambase is a blog where anyone can post and discuss dreams. www.twisk.com --- - matchAdream.com --- matchAdream serves as the collective log for the world's sleep dreams. Here you can discover what the world has been dreaming about, and even submit your own dreams to the collection. Have you ever wondered if somebody has had the same dream as you? Would you like to know if you have had the same dream as somebody else at the same time? Perhaps somebody who you've never met and lives in another country? matchAdream.com allows you to maintain a dream diary, search the database of dreams by keyword, and it can automatically match your dreams with others from all over the world free of charge. www.matchadream.com --- - Dream Journals on the Net --- Jono’s Demented Dream Journal: http://jbdowse.wordpress.com/ I Dream by Melanie: http://memsahibdreams.blogspot.com Dream Prophesy by Joi: http://www.dreamprophesy.com/blog I'm especially looking for current dream journals that present drawings and other pictures. Please email me if you have or know one. Harry Bosma ed-news@alquinte.com --- - Russian Dream Art Gallery --- Maria Volchenko invites you to visit the dream art gallery on her website. www.dream-art.ru/english/index.htm --- - Dream Maps --- Former news editor Peggy Coats of Dreamtree fame created another wonderfully designed new website Dream Maps. This is what she says about it: "Dream Mapping is a creative way of working with dreams through the construction of dream maps: image assemblages or collages derived directly from our dreams. If you know others who might be interested, please feel free to forward this message on! There is a place on the website to sign up for the mailing list." Check it out at: http://dreammaps.net * * * PHYSICAL WORLD * * * --- - IASD News: Conferences --- * The Spirit Of The Dream * June 29 To July 3, 2007 Register now, enter The Spirit of the Dream, and join our dream community on the beautiful campus of Sonoma State University, in Rohnert Park, California (in wine country, one hour north of San Francisco). Visit the IASD 2007 conference page for more information. Help IASD by sharing this link with a friend or colleague. www.asdreams.org/2007 * Dreams and Culture * UK - September 7 to 9, 2007 at Bishop Grosseteste University College Lincoln, England Our dreams reflect the culture in which we live, our culture shapes our dreams and in some societies, dreams have shaped culture. This conference explores the ways in which our dreams and culture interact and encourages submissions from a range of disciplines. www.asdreams.org/england07 * Psiberdreaming 2007 - Psi Dreams and Creativity * Call for presentations Since it began six years ago, IASD's PsiberDreaming Online Conference has become one of the finest conferences available anywhere on the Internet: reasonably priced and lots of fun. This year's conference, scheduled from Sunday, September 23 through Sunday, October 7, will be developed around a theme of Psi Dreams and Creativity in the arts, in science, and in daily life. What are psi dreams? Experiences with precognition, retrocognition, deja vu, dream telepathy, remote viewing, mutual dreaming, lucidity and psychokinesis all apply. Have you ever done creative work based on any of these experiences in your dreams? PsiberDreaming conferences involve paper presentations, workshops, and other activities, scheduled each day of the two-week online conference. If you have an idea for a presentation, send a title plus a brief synopsis to Conference co-host, Jean Campbell at jccampb@aol.com , by July 30, 2007. Earlier is better. Guidelines for online presentation will be sent to presenters upon acceptance of their proposals. Presenters must agree to answer questions and interact with conference participants for at least two days after their presentations are put up online. The IASD website: www.asdreams.org --- - Canada: Christopher Sowton Dreamreading Seminar --- A Method and Manual for using Dreams in the Service of Health Presented by Christopher Sowton, N.D. A dedicated researcher and map-maker of the dream world, Christopher Sowton, Naturopath and Homeopath, shares his experience and insights on how to use dreams to guide and support healing. Christopher has broken new ground in teaching healers to think outside the realm of ego-bound consciousness and improve their ability to pick up messages from the unconscious. In this interactive seminar, with the use of video clips of actual dream material, you will be walked through the Dreamreading Manual to learn a practical method for understanding and making use of dreams in clinical practice and in everyday life. Dreamreading complements all types of health care practices. For more information or to register: info@dreamreading.ca or call 416-588-9649 Saturday, June 23, 2007 9 a.m. to 5 p.m. 28 Madison Avenue. (1 Block E of Spadina, N of Bloor) $125 Dreamreading Manual included www.dreamreading.ca --- - Berkeley: the Dream Institute --- The Dream Institute of Northern California 1672 University Ave Berkeley, CA 94703 1-510-845-1767 The Dream Institute offers the following during June and July 2007. * Culture Dreaming * Saturday June 2, 3-5 pm $15-25. Join us as we look at dreams for their societal meanings rather than personal. Open to dreamers and nondreamers alike, no experience necessary! * Invitation to Beauty * Sunday June 10, 2-4 pm Summer Community Gathering & Celebration for Ruth Gendler’s new book, Notes on the Need for Beauty. * Dreams at the Creative Edge * Friday June 22, 7:30-9 pm A free open forum with Richard Russo and Meredith Sabini. A follow-up workshop will begin in July. We explore the synergistic link between dreams and creativity. We will present some inspiring vignettes of dreams that influenced creative work in the arts, medicine, science, and the humanities. You are welcome to bring in dreams connected with a creative quest or endeavor of your own. * Follow-up Workshops * Four Thursdays, 7-9 pm July 12, 26 August 9, 16 $120 This workshop will provide a relaxed environment where participants can explore dreams and the edge of a creative project of any type, whether artistic, scientific, academic, or physical. We may call upon writing, drawing, dream incubation, and active imagination to open up and extend the creative edges. --- - New Mexico: Victoria Rabinowe --- * Tuesday, June 5, 2007 * Dreaming arts Studio, Santa Fe 1:00-6:30 p.m. $50. UNDER THE BODHI TREE If you don’t break your ropes while you are alive, Do you think ghosts will do it after? -Kabir * Tuesday, June 12, 2007 * Dreaming arts Studio, Santa Fe 1:00-6:30 p.m. $50. DREAMS OF THE FATHER In Honor of Father's Day Wise old man, Elder, Teacher, Guide, Deity, Heavenly Father, Protector, Advocate, Hero, Tyrant, Villain, Patriarch, Priest, Healer, Father of Nations, Ruler, King, Ancestor, Authority, Animus. Bring a "Father" dream. * Tuesday, June 19, 2007 * Dreaming arts Studio, Santa Fe 1:00-6:30 p.m. $50. THRESHOLD In Honor of the Summer Solstice Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness, that most frightens us.... Nelson Mandela * Tuesday, June 26, 2007 * Dreaming arts Studio, Santa Fe SEEDS OF CHANGE Like a seed, the dream carries the cipher of the past and a blueprint for the future. Each dream holds the promise of our potential waiting to be liberated. * Saturday, June 30, 2007 * 2:00 - 4:00 International Association for the Study of Dreams Sonoma State University, California THE DREAM AS MENTOR AND MUSE: CREATIVE DREAM JOURNAL WORK A two hour interactive & experiential class with audience participation: Dreams will be deconstructed and realigned with expressive techniques that are insightful, experimental and non-invasive. Journal work in “The Art of the Dream” offers healing guidance into the realm of enchantment, the landscape of myth and the genius of the night mind. * Tuesday, July 3, 2007 * International Association for the Study of Dreams Sonoma State University, California 11:30-12:30 INNOVATIVE AND CREATIVE PROJECTS FOR DREAMERS AND DREAM GROUPS An exhibition/presentation with fifty dream journals illustrated with collage, drawings, prose and poetry will demonstrate how expressive arts can transform dreams. Guided techniques featuring universal themes and archetypes will demonstrate how power, medicine and magic can transform nightmare and paradox into deep inner soul work. * Tuesday, July 3, 2007 * Dreaming arts Studio, Santa Fe 1:00-6:30 p.m. $50. INDEPENDENCE In Honor of Independence Day Let Freedom Ring! No matter how perplexing or disturbing, each dream narrative points to our inalienable rights by offering images that either hold or withhold our freedom to act, to speak or to think. Independence day is a day of liberation from dependency and external control. This is a day for release from restrictive attachments. This is a day to exercise immunity from the authority of inner tyranny and self abuse. This is a day of rebellion! Visit the website: http://victoriadreams.com Victoria Rabinowe Dreaming Arts Studio 1432 Don Gaspar, Santa Fe 505 988-1086 victoria@victoriadreams.com --- - North Carolina: Tom Lane's Circle of Dreams --- Gathering of Men and Women Exploring Nighttime Dreams Together Friday, Sept. 21, '07 5:45 PM, 'til Sun., Sept. 23, '07 3:00 PM at St Francis Springs Prayer Center, Stoneville, NC * Learn essential wisdom your dreams have come to tell you. * Discover their specific meanings for your own health and wholeness. * Enjoy a depth of camaraderie with other dreamers -- men and women. www.understandyourdream.com/events.htm For more information, financing concerns or to check availability, contact Tom at (336) 545 -1200 or Dreamdiscernment@aol.com --- - New England Psychics Meetup Group --- The New England Psychics Meetup Group comes together in bi-weekly Psychic Development Fun meetings, to talk and experiment with a variety of topics. The group invites all psychics, mediums, divination experts, tarot readers and especially dreamers. Experiments and exercises are done both during daytime and in dreams. The group is based in Providence / Warwick, RI. Dreamers in the area with an interest in psi dreaming are encouraged to check out the group's website. Joining is free, meetups are still free as well. http://alquinte.com/en --- - Dream Course at JFKU in Pleasant Hill, CA --- Self-Exploration: The Language of the Dream II • CNS5039A --exploration of archetypal dream motifs-- Since both dreams and great art arise from the same source--the personal and collective unconscious—slides from art and from nature are the perfect medium through which to explore our dreams, amplified from a Jungian perspective through myth, cultural anthropology, literature, religion, poetry and the arts. This summer, the themes to be explored include: • Colors (Yellow, Green, Blue, Brown) as metaphors for shades of feeling • The Four Seasons as metaphors for the seasons and moods of our lives • Animals (horse, eagle, owl, whale) as metaphors for our natural instincts • The Body (hand, eye, ear, nose, sex organs, heart) as metaphors for efficacy • Basic Shapes (egg, spiral, cross, labyrinth) as metaphors for archetypal patterns of growth and change The goal is to open up possibilities for the multiple layers of meaning in our dreams, stimulate creative thinking, and bring these images alive in our psyches, with the hope that the living energy will transform what is ailing in the personal, interpersonal and collective psyche. Instructor: Lynne Ehlers, Ph.D., is a practicing licensed clinical psychologist and instructor in the dream studies program at JFKU When: Five Monday evenings, 7:15 -- 9:15 p.m. July 9, 16, 23, 30 and August 6, 2007 Where: John F. Kennedy University, Pleasant Hill campus, room N162 This class is open to anyone interested in exploring their dreams One unit of credit available through JFKU; CE credit not available at this time Cost: for 1 unit of credit = $455. To audit, with no credit = $145. Required Text: Mellick, J. (2001) The Art of Dreaming: Tools for Creative Dream Work. Conari Press ISBN: 1-57324-574-7 For Information or registration: Call 1-800- 969-3513 (for information) or 925 969-3353 (to register) Or go online to ww.jfku.edu * * * BOOKS, MOVIES, RESEARCH * * * --- - Griffin: Expectation fulfilment theory --- Joe Griffin offers a website explaining his expectation fulfilment theory. From the page explaining the theory: "The expectation fulfilment theory of dreaming was first published in the peer reviewed journal The Therapist (1993), forerunner of the Human Givens Journal, and, despite wide exposure, has not been successfully contended." And: "Since it was first published it has received much support from psychologists, brain researchers and interested members of the public from whom we welcome further ideas and comments on the subject. Please send them to us." www.why-we-dream.com --- - Light in lucid dreams --- Dear Lucid Dreamers, I have been researching on the experience of Light in lucid dreams and have been collecting different lucid dreams to bring the breath and depth of these experiences and looking at the phenomena itself. This is a continuation of a study I started twenty years, which you might be familiar with, on the spiritual dimensions of lucid dreaming. I would like to invite you to contribute a dream or two related to your experience of light in lucid dream or hypnagogic experiences. If you are interested please send me a note at bogzaran@svn.net and I will give you more detail. Thank you for considering. With all good wishes, Fariba Bogzaran * * * REMINDERS * * * --- - Various calenders --- Nicole Gratton (Canada): http://www.nicole-gratton.com/calendrier_01.htm Robert Moss (USA): http://mossdreams.com/xcalendar.htm Jeremy Taylor (California): www.jeremytaylor.com/pages/schedule.html --- - Toko-pa Turner's Dreamspeak Column --- Toko-pa Turner started a weekly column about dreams on her blog. Find the link to that column, a great discussion forum, workshops, dream interpretation and more on the website. www.herownroom.com/mainmenu.htm --- - Strephon Says: Podcasts and blog --- Strephon Kaplan-Williams is an international expert on dreams and dreamwork. Now in retirement age Strephon gives his podcasts. http://strephonsays.com --- - Ritual DaFuMu for Peace --- The World Dreams Peace Bridge, on the 15th of each month, is holding a monthly DaFuMu - a collective dream of good fortune - to support peace. For more information go to: http://www.worlddreamspeacebridge.org/dafumumonthly.htm To join the World Dreams Peace Bridge discussion group, just send an e-mail to worlddreams-subscribe@yahoogroups.com . END NEWS ================================================ o|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|o Cover Artist : Lyndel Thomas Cover: Dreaming o|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|o LYNDEL THOMAS Painting Main mediums: OIL & Pastel TEACHERS: The Graham Moore School of Painting and Teachers associated with the Victorian Artists’ Society I grew up in the Australian countryside with creative parents who encouraged a love of nature and a strong desire to paint. My father, who had studied with A.D. Colquhoun, was my first inspiration. I paint LANDSCAPE, STILL LIFE AND PORTRAITS Sculpture Main mediums: Bronze, ceramic, plaster, wood I majored with distinction in sculpture at The School of Mines – University of Ballarat. Sculpture is a medium in which I feel free to fully express my interest in mythology. I am an exhibiting member of the VICTORIAN ARTISTS’ SOCIETY and of the VICTORIAN SOCIETY OF WOMEN PAINTERS AND SCULPTORS and THE ASSOCIATION OF SCULPTORS VICTORIA INC. participating in selected and group exhibitions. My work has been selected for hanging for the last 6 years in the “V.A.S. Artist of the Year Awards” and I am a signatory member of the V.A.S. and my portraits have hung in The James Farrell Portrait Exhibition. In mid 2006 I was invited to take part in an Exhibition at the Central Goldfields Gallery of Maryborough featuring Life Paintings. A study trip to Europe in 2006 has fuelled much inspiration and renewed my love of the pastel medium and a serious interest in acrylics combining the wash method with the opaque. I have won many awards for my work. Recent awards include Victorian Artists’ Society 2000 Highly Commended by Godwin Bradbeer Art Show 2002 Castlemaine; winner of best 3-D work Overall winner of Melbourne Society of Women Painters & Sculptors “Annie Davison Oliver Award” 2003 Art Show 2006 Castlemaine; winner of best 3-D work MSWPS 2006 Highly Commended Oil Portrait Acquisitions: corporate bodies including the Footscray City Council, Footscray R.S.L., Gippsland Base Hospital, And various galleries and private collectors in Australia, Great Britain, Europe and New Zealand (Lyndel presently lives with her husband in a quiet country town of Victoria, Australia. She can be contacted on forrerk@bigpond.net.au) o|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|o An Excerpt From The Lucid Dream Exchange Robert Waggoner interviews pasQuale [Lucy Gillis, Editor] o|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|o An Excerpt From The Lucid Dream Exchange By Lucy Gillis IN LDE 42, Robert Waggoner interviewed pasQuale. Dutch lucid dreamer, pasQuale, has developed a deep passion and interest for lucid dreaming, as evidenced by her popular website: www.ld4all.com There, she and many others help and encourage new and growing lucid dreamers with tips, techniques and ideas. A lucid dreamer for more than 10 years now, the LDE welcomes pasQuale. RW: When did you first learn about conscious dreaming or lucid dreaming? pasQuale: I first learned it when I was a student (about 13 years ago). A friend in school told me about the possibility to control your dreams. She lent me the book, Creative Dreaming, by Patricia Garfield. From that I learned how to dream lucidly. I had my first lucid dream before I had finished the book. I was so exited about lucid dreaming that I wanted to tell the world about it. Everybody should know about this. Therefore, from then on, all my school projects were about lucid dreaming. I created a concept and a demo version for a lucid dreaming game for children, and in my final year I wrote my end thesis about lucid dreaming and made a website about it. That website is now known as LD4all.com. RW: Can you recall your first lucid dream experience? Please, tell us about that. PasQuale: Sadly no. I only remember it was when I was reading Creative Dreaming that sparked my first lucid dream, and it was one that had to do with defeating enemies, I think. Unfortunately I can't find my earliest dream records. The first dream in my hand written dream diary is dated Feb. 26, 1994 and at the end I mention: "... but already I had come to the conclusion I was dreaming and I woke up." RW: What about your early lucid experiences did you find interesting? pasQuale: Reading back in my old dream journals, I see I was busy with interpreting a lot, and when I was lucid I would do a lot to save my memory of the dream, (in the dream I would sketch the environment or try to take pictures), so I could use them for my school projects. The incredible clarity and detail of my lucid dreams was a thing that also made a big impression on me. I was like a tourist, trying to save everything I experienced in my LDs. Also, the thing that was most exiting was the incredible feeling you have when you realize that everything around you is a dream. That's why I want to teach lucid dreaming, so everyone can experience that feeling. RW: In the beginning, what methods did you use to bring conscious awareness into the dream state? Has that changed over the years? pasQuale: Back then, I was also interested in past life regression and reincarnation. I had done a workshop where we would be hypnotized and try to visit a past life. I learned self-hypnosis in this way and I had a kind of self hypnosis induction technique for lucid dreaming; I would do a relaxation exercise and then tell myself that I would be aware that I was dreaming. Over the years it has changed. I started to do yoga, and incorporated a yoga relaxation exercise, which induced another kind of dream, where I would be able to roll out of my bed, conscious, knowing I was dreaming. I then either flew out the window or stepped through the mirror in my bedroom to see where I would end up. Later I didn't really do anything to become lucid, it happened spontaneously. Lately, I'm experimenting with different methods, and now I'm trying dream yoga exercises, to see how that works. RW: As you had more lucid dreams, were there any lucid dreams that made a deep impression on you? Tell us about them. pasQuale: Yes, a lot. I've had so many incredible lucid experiences. The ones that stay in my mind are the most clear, vivid lucid dreams. Like one where I found myself on a cobblestoned street, outside a church. The stained glass windows spread their colors in front of me and it was so incredibly real. I slowly woke up from this and the waking reality seemed less real than the dream I just woke up from. Another special lucid dream is one in which I met my spirit guide for the first time. I tell about that dream on my site too: I have just gotten lucid and then remember my intent of meeting my spirit guide. I call: "Do I have a guide? Can I see you?". . . I walk out into the garden, to the lawn, in the meantime asking: "Can I see you? I would really like to see you." Then I see somebody. She wears a kind of jute orange dress. She has blue big beaded necklaces around her neck. Her hair is short and blond. Her age is about 40 or 50? She looks Dutch. "So you are my guide?" "Yes." "What's your name?" "Annette." I taste the name. Annette. That was how I first met Annette. Later I called her again in a lucid dream, because I wanted very much to paint her. I saw her and I only looked, looked, and looked at her. When I woke up, I painted her. She looked different than the first time I met her. "The Museum of Lost Memories" is another one that made a big impression on me. It originally had a place on the first drafts of my site, but later it was discarded. It now has become a LD Quest to do. (Every moon (4 weeks) I run a Lucid Quest on LD4all - an assignment for members to do in their lucid dreams - I made a Quest about uncovering lost memories) but I still feel there is more to this dream: . . .Then I'm on a horse and I ride across the hill. Then I see four castles. WOW! Castles in the mist. One of concrete, one of gold, one of silver and one of glass. I go inside one of them. "The Museum of Lost Memories". There I pick up a strange object. It seems to be made of blue stone. It has a little orb on it and next to it a smaller hole. I go inside. You have to stand against the wired fence, then it will swoosh you right inside. I'd like to see my lost memories. I enter a very busy space with lots of people. At the first display cabinet a little boy plays a game with silver balls. I pay attention, I don't understand how he does it. There are also colored cards, but I can't remember those. I want to have a pen and paper to draw all these things, so I don't forget them! I say: "In my pocket I have a pen" - and suddenly, there I have a pen. In my other pocket is paper. Yes, a small notebook. I quickly sketch all those things, the castle, etc. I walk through to the end. There is a man who tells me I'm not allowed in there. I obey him. I'm outside again. I wish myself money so I can buy things. There, on the street is a pouch with money. A little like the Wild West. I enter a 'store'. Behind the counter is a lady in a tight dress. What do you wish? She shows me a map of the city. It has brightly colored buildings on it. Red, blue, purple, green, with thick black outlines. After this I either wake up or can't remember. Another one is also an incredible clear and vivid dream, so clear that I wanted to capture the image I saw when I woke up. In that dream I had stepped through my mirror and ended up in a little room. I stepped out of the window and then flew in an incredibly vivid landscape. At the end there was a huge pirate boat and all the little details were amazing. From far away you could still see every little ornament on the boat. When I woke up I tried to capture it in a painting. I use my paintings as illustrations on my site, and the pirate boat painting is in there somewhere too. You can see some more of my dream related, and other paintings at: http://www.quuipo.net/gallery.php If I would write down all the lucid dreams that have made an impact on me I'd fill a lot of pages. Since a few years ago, I began to keep an online dream journal on the LD4all forums, but you can only read it when you are a member. So feel free to join and check it out. RW: Interesting! What did you take from these lucid dream experiences? What did they come to mean to you? pasQuale: I tend to see 'real life' more and more like a dream as well. One where other rules apply, but a dream, nonetheless. I also love to go to sleep because I know I can get lucid and can do anything I want. Also, I feel I received a lot of knowledge and insight in my lucid dreams. For example, the dream about my spirit guide made me able to connect to her in real life as well. She still sometimes shows up in my dreams too. For me, the most vivid lucid dreams really feel like being in a different world. Just the other day I had again this feeling very clear, while in my dream I said to myself: "I will enjoy this while this lasts, I'll wake up soon and then I'll be on that dull earth again." RW: It seems that you have tried various experiments when lucid in the dream state, like talking to a nightmarish figure (the German soldier), transforming into an animal, and stepping through a mirror. Please describe the lucid dreams and tell us what happened and your reaction. pasQuale: Oh yes, I love to experiment in my lucid dreams. Once, I had a dream in which a German soldier from WWII was coming after me to make me prisoner or something. I ran down a bridge and hid myself in a corner. Then I realized I was dreaming. "I want to know who that is chasing after me, and why he's doing it," I said to myself. I yelled: "Here I am! Come and catch me!" There he came. But the mean-looking soldier had transformed into a small childlike woman. I asked: "Who are you?" She replied: "I'm your fear for the unknown." This was a very emotional moment in the dream and crying, I hugged her. I realized that my "fear for the unknown" had made me "run away" in real life situations. In other experiments, I've tried becoming animals. I've transformed into several animals, and what's most profound is that you experience the animal's senses, and it always comes with a realization. Like laying an egg while being a bird: Tonight I changed myself into a bird. First I flew around just myself having huge wings and enjoyed it. After that I tried to change myself into a bird to see what that feels like. Sure enough, I felt my body change, felt I had a tail and a beak. The eyesight also changed, like very wide vision that came together in the middle. Shortly after that I tried to lay an egg to see what that feels like, it was actually quite pleasurable; realization: of course it is, nature wouldn't make it un-pleasurable. Changing into an owl I'm in a backyard of some sort. I see two beautiful owls flying. I decide I want to try and transform into an owl as well. I want myself to be an owl; I spread my arms and they become wings. I feel the feathers on my wings and try to be in an owl's body. I fly on silken wings. So softly through the air with no sound at all. Even though it is dark, I have no problem seeing. I swoosh through the trees in the forest. I try to remember what owls eat. Mice and stuff. I should try to catch one. And I will probably have to hack up an owl-ball as well. Comments: I feel I succeeded in half, because I still felt myself being human as well. But I felt smaller and that experience of flying silently through the air was wonderful. It has made an impact, this dream, because the owls were so beautiful. It was a barn owl. I did some research and it turns out the barn owl flies indeed silently through the night, I never knew that. Other experiments -- Stepping through a mirror used to be the first thing I did once I was lucid. I still love it, but now I'm experimenting more also with how I look in the mirror, and how it feels to travel through it. Sometimes I end up in a new dream (world), sometimes the mirror leads to a black void. Sometimes it is hard to step through, the mirror then feels like it's made of thick syrup where you have to wade through. Here is one mirror example dream: Lucid, I think, "Now what to do... flying out of the window?" The mirror in the bedroom suddenly looks very attractive. Let's try and jump through that. It bulges a bit; it's not easy to walk through. I succeed in jumping through. I keep jumping through mirrors. Eventually I end up in a store. Then again, I keep jumping through mirrors. They now all lead to the same bedroom, but every time it is one a bit further away. They all look the same though. Finally I'm in a room with a wooden table. A friendly female puts her arm across my shoulders and asks me what I will wear for the 25th anniversary. I try to remember what anniversary she is talking about. She lets me choose from different items of jewelry on the floor. I can't make a choice, since I don't know what anniversary she is talking about. RW: Like some of us, it appears that you have sought reincarnation information in lucid dreams. Any luck? pasQuale: Yes, I have had several dreams on this. For example this one: Babylon, 56,000 BC. I'm in the passenger's seat and I remember my request for a guidance dream. I know this is it. To my left, the driver, is a guide. He/she feels familiar. I can't remember who it is, or what he/she looked like, only the energy, white yellowish golden, and very friendly and loving energy with a bit of humour. The guide asks me where I want to go. I say: "Please take me to my past and my future" "Why do you want that?" "So I can understand more about myself" "OK, where do you want to go first?" "Please take me to my past" "OK" He drives, the road flashes by, we are on a highway in broad sunshine. The dream takes the form of a very well cut American action movie -- with complimentary music in the background. We pass a road sign: "Babylon 56,000 BC", and this is it. We are now in Babylon, 56,000 BC. I'm amazed that Babylon existed at that point, and that I apparently have a past there. The dream is now like a movie. I'm a watcher and I wonder when I get to see who/what I was back then. It is a mountainous area, the ground is brown, it reminds me of Hannibal's journey through the Alps, but that wasn't this long ago was it? -- I see sheep. They are very white and 'fluffy'. Black thin legs. It is like I can communicate with them. There is a little lamb somewhere too. Then I see two old people, a man and a woman. They wear colorful outfits (reminds me a bit of Tibetan colorful clothes, but it is not the same). They are eating soup and talking to each other. I am offered soup as well, I now have the impression I'm a young girl. But I'm also myself. The soup is in a deep bowl and the spoon is green. It looks a bit like the Chinese porcelain spoons, only it is deeper and from another material. I admire it. I have to try several times before I can properly eat from it. The soup is nice and hot and there is some kind of butter in it I know. All this time I feel the presence of the guide. I also know this dream is about to end and I'm sad, because it was just getting interesting. And yes, I wake up, feeling happy and slightly disappointed at the same time. RW: Mutual dreams seem to be a fairly rare experience, and mutual lucid dreams even rarer. Have you experienced any of these? pasQuale: I have tried. I'm actually on a quest to have a mutual lucid dream with an online friend in Australia. So far no luck. I have come close on occasions but I have never had a true proven shared dream. For example, I dream of information of a person that I didn't know, and when telling the dream proved to be right. For example, I dreamt of meeting someone I know only online, from LD4all, and in the dream he told me the name of his girlfriend. I didn't know that name in real life. I asked him in waking life, and it turned out to be the right name. Other people encounter me a lot in their dreams too, and see things about me I haven't told them about, but I never remember those dreams. I have come very close on two occasions, when I dreamt of the same dream location of someone else, but she hadn't seen me. And another time where we both recalled dreaming of each other, and seemed to have been in the same location, but the dream setting was very different. I keep trying. I have even been told in a lucid dream that I have to teach about Shared Dreaming: . . . I'm still lucid, I'm in a high place covered in the greenest grass you can imagine. Everything is extremely vivid and clear. It is beautiful. There is no sound. Silence surrounds me. I'm alone in this place. "This is why you have to teach Shared Dreaming". A voice says, or is it a realization in my mind? I realize that with Shared Dreaming dreamers far from each other can meet each other in this place. But I still want to experience a real shared dream before teaching about it. Have you ever tried "surrendering to the dream" or letting the dream show you something unexpected or unknown? Or have you had other lucid dream experiences that were totally unexpected? What happened? Well, I use my lucid dreams to show me things, for example how the design of the website should look like, or to show me paintings for inspiration. In lucid dreams, a lot of unexpected things happen, and it's one of the things I like to do too, to see what will happen when I do a certain action, (like questioning the people in my dream, to see what they will reply), or to reach into my pockets and see what comes out, to look at the sky and see what it looks like, etc. Stepping through a mirror also leads to unexpected places since you don't know what to expect behind it. I'm often in a very exploring state of mind when I'm fully lucid. Here's an example of when I decided to follow the dream once I was lucid: While I'm sitting on the toilet, 7 of 9 (From Star Trek) comes to ask me something. She wears a Star Trek uniform. I do a reality check and realize I'm dreaming. I decide to follow the dream. "What do you want me to show?", I ask her. She walks to a door, it is closed. A little heart is drawn on it. The door is white/yellowish. I ask her something that will help me remember this dream and keep me lucid. She gives me a smaller version of my wedding ring, it fits on my left pinky. I try fitting it on my right hand, but it will only fit on my left. I check if I can see the rings I got in earlier dreams (on my right hand) but my right hand is empty. I follow her and ask where we are. A beautiful view is outside. The colors are extremely vibrant and clear. I see a lot of small houses with different kind of rooftops. It feels old. In the front is a pasture where I see a lot of animals. The only ones I recall are 2 very bright white sheep and two marvelous grey wolves. I ask her where this is. She says it is England. "I don't believe you, " I respond, "I have never seen two wolves like that, and certainly not so close to two sheep." We are outside. I'm now with two young girls as well. We go to a big gate. Everybody gets pottery, pots to carry. They are now outside and carry a lot of those pots on their back. A rope is strapped around their head to carry it. The gate closes in front of the Star Trek character 7 and me and we wait while more pottery is being thrown down. Some of it hasn't been baked right and falls in pieces. Then we can enter as well. The girls take me to the place where the plates are being painted. It is a wooden building, kind of a workshop. A sand path leads toward it. There are more buildings like that, and more people working. I slightly lose lucidity, but regain it after doing another reality check. I see the plates. I tell them I'll make them a design. Yes! I will make a Plate of Dreams! I'm really enthusiastic about it. Some of the painters look at me disapprovingly, others are as exited as me. Oh, I probably have to draw a circle first. I have a square sheet of white paper in front of me. Some of the girls help me make and cut out the circle. It isn't really round but no one seems to care. I write "Plate of Dreams" at the top. All the other designers make also 'plate of something's (can't remember what they did), and the title should be written on the top. . . . I'm now holding the drawn plate (I can't recall actually drawing it), and look at it. Everybody is enthusiastic about my design. It is very intricate. It is in a comic book style. A lot is happening, and it was funny as well. Altogether, how do these lucid dreams make you question the nature of reality? Well, I have had LD's that were more real than reality and yet I knew I was dreaming. I touched objects and wondered how things could be so real. I'm getting more and more to the core feeling that reality like we perceive it, is like a dream. A quote from an extremely vivid lucid dream: "I look around the place. It looks so real. I have trouble getting my mind around the idea that this is all created by me. I wonder if it works like this in reality too." How about on your website? Have there been lucid dreams that have surprised you, or shocked you? It surprises me that people have so many ideas for what they do in their lucid dreams and that's very inspiring to read. There is a special section for members to keep their Dream journals and a lot of lucid dreams have been written during the years. Also you notice problems people have, like ending up in a black void, new ways to test your reality - and the various ways people fly for example. I barely have time to read all the inspiring dreams, and there are really quite a lot to read. Over the years, you have built quite a website for lucid dreamers at (http://www.ld4all.com/) What prompted you to begin the website? How is it going? Well, as I said in the first question, it started out as a school project. At that time, I had just discovered lucid dreaming and I wanted to tell everybody how cool it is and how to do it. Over the years it has changed in appearance and has had more content added, and the forum. I have always used my lucid dreams as inspiration and guidance on how to design the site. The LD4all logo appeared to me in a very clear lucid dream. The site is still growing and evolving. The forum has grown to be a very close and friendly community. Many people have had their first lucid dream because of LD4all. RW: At your website, are there points that you are trying to get across to other lucid dreamers? Or does the on-going discussion and conversation, the collective knowledge, provide the education? pasQuale: The forum serves a lot as a support group for lucid dreamers. People give each other tips, motivate each other, and people keep their dream diaries on the site. Techniques are developed and tried out, experiments conducted. I started the forum because I got a lot of emails and it became simply too much to reply to all the questions so I decided that people could help each other, so I created the forum for that. It has grown to be a very close community. A lot of lucid dreamers find it very nice that they can talk about lucid dreaming with someone else and they are not the only one. Many people can't talk about their lucid dreams in their real life, people think they are crazy. People are pleasantly surprised when they find a large group of people who can lucid dream too. RW: For those who have never been to your website, what kinds of issues come up in the discussion about lucid dreaming? Tell us about the range of issues you see there. pasQuale: Well, about everything you can imagine, really. The forum exists now for over 7 years and has around 10,000 members worldwide. A large part is of course the "help me get lucid" part. People help and support each other. New people come with questions, and experienced lucid dreamers answer them. It is really a very friendly and supportive community. Then people keep their dream journals on the site, and members encourage each other and congratulate each other when someone has a lucid dream. Another part is the lab, where we conduct our own experiments. RW: What kind of lucid dream experiments could move forward the understanding of the potentials of the dream state and lucid dreaming? What would you like to see? pasQuale: There are a lot of stories going around that certain foods increase dream recall and could aid in having a lucid dream. I'd like real scientific research on that, so that you could actually know what kind of food/herbs are really helpful in this. Another thing I would like to see is developing new ways to communicate with the lucid dreamer, (besides eye movement) and maybe a way to communicate to the lucid dreamer while he's dreaming and the dreamer can communicate back. I think that would be extremely interesting to see a real communication between a lucid dreamer and the real world. The ultimate thing would of course be a device where you could see on a screen what someone else is dreaming, and somehow record it so you can watch it again. RW: Thanks for your observations into lucid dreaming. Any parting thoughts? pasQuale: I'm really exited to see how lucid dreaming is gaining popularity. Back when I started my first site, there were only 3 or 4 other websites about lucid dreaming on the net. Now a lot of lucid dreaming related sites have popped up everywhere, and a lot of people have learned to lucid dream because of those. I hope to see one day that lucid dreaming is common knowledge and is taught about in schools. ************************************** The Lucid Dream Exchange is a quarterly newsletter featuring lucid dreams and lucid dream related articles and interviews. To subscribe to The Lucid Dream Exchange send a blank email to: TheLucidDreamExchange-subscribe@yahoogroups.com You can also check us out at www.dreaminglucid.com o|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|o THE VIEW FROM THE BRIDGE June 2007 An Outbreak of Group Creativity: Can They Hear Us Drumming? Jean Campbell o|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|o An Outbreak of Group Creativity One of the nicest things about being part of The World Dreams Peace Bridge is that when people begin working with their dreams together, a lot of creativity ensues. Since last June, when Jean Campbell's book, *Group Dreaming: Dreams to the Tenth Power* was published, two other members of the Peace Bridge, David L. Kahn and Ilkin Sungu, have completed manuscripts. David's book, *A Dream Come True: Lessons in Current and Precognitive Dream Interpretation,* was completed in the spring of 2007. His first decision about the new book was that he would contribute all proceeds to the Peace Bridge's Aid for Traumatized Children Project, through which we provide aid for the children traumatized by the war in Iraq. Soon after that, Ilkin Sungu from Istanbul announced that her book, (working title: * Written to the Wind*) had been accepted for publication. It will be a dual-language book in Turkish and English, and this time several other members of the Peace Bridge got into the act...when Ilkin asked for illustrations for her work. Additionally Joy Fatooh and her sister Kitty have provided English translation and Jean Campbell will provide a foreword. Ilkin too plans to donate the proceeds of her work to the Aid for Traumatized Children Project. Peace Bridge member Ken Shapley from the UK has provided a new addition to the World Dreams Peace Bridge web site at http://www.worlddreamspeacebridge.org/ken-art.htm His latest composition, including Ken playing the digideroo, can be downloaded in MP3 format from his Peace Bridge art page. And he's asked for the commentary of other members of the group. Can working with dreams in a group setting promote creativity? If the World Dreams Peace Bridge is any example, creativity abounds. Drum Dance and Dream for Peace And the 1,000 Drums Campaign Other members of the Peace Bridge are exercising their creativity by creating what may quite literally be the world's largest-ever drumming circle, since drumming groups will circle the world with drum beats on Monday, June 25, for Drum Dance and Dream for Peace. The primary event of Drum Dance and Dream will take place at noon on the National Mall in Washington DC on Monday, June 25 as part of the World Children's Festival, sponsored by the International Child Art Foundation. The World Children's Festival is a three-day event for children, free and open to the public. But Drum Dance and Dream for Peace is a global event too. Anyone who can beat a drum or bang on a pot is invited to join in. For a list of groups drumming around the world see: www.worlddreamspeacebrdige.org/drumming You can join us in the drumming. And you can also join us in an associated fund raising event, the 1,000 Drums Campaign. We hope to raise several thousand dollars by asking people to contribute just a few pennies for every drum beat during Drum Dance and Dream for Peace. All funds will go to the work of the Aid for Traumatized Children Project. Hope to see you drumming...in the dream time! o|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|o Dream: Mushroom Predator Stan Kulikowski II o|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|o DATE: 20 may 2007 11:28 DREAM: mushroom predator =( yesterday was a saturday. i spent the morning trying to repair my dryer once again. it was damaged by lightning on 1 march. after much time attempting the get the parts to fit and work together, i tried to start it. it ran for about two seconds then stopped and would not start again. must be something in the wiring. i was too discouraged to try again that day. mother and i went to the grocery store and came home to watch videos from blockbuster in the evening as we usually do on saturdays. i got to bed around 01:00 and feel asleep rather easily with the window fan running. i woke around 06:50 and could not get back to sleep for the longest time. it was too early to do anything around the house, so i read for a while, but i was still feeling very tired. i feel back to sleep around 09:30. )= i am sitting on a bench in front of what used to be the general store on the small main street of the deserted ghost town. i wonder what happened to all the people who are supposed to live here. we have discovered the empty town and have been searching for the missing population. my partner here is mexican man, a little too mature for his age. he is walking across the small town square in front of where i sit. with him are a young woman and her small son. we met them on the way into town and they joined us in our search. her family was supposed to meet her as they lived in area, but have not shown up. i look down at the bench i am sitting on. there has not been much to find here. the entire population has disappeared without leaving much trace. a few of the houses on the edge of town have a chair knocked over or a dish broken in the kitchen, but not much else to indicate any disturbance. somehow everyone just seems to have vanished without a trace or a struggle. suddenly i hear a scream and look up to see that the young mother has been scooped up by a huge mushroom bud in the shape of a funnel mouth. my mexican friend has to hold the young son from rushing in after her. finally he gets the boy to stop his efforts, so he can let go and carefully look into the maw of the giant fungus where the woman lays trapped. i try to rush down to join them, but all over the town square other fungal pods have suddenly sprouted. most of them in the center are small white buds like you would purchase in a grocery store, but on the sides where i am, they have grown tall and thick so i can hardly push my way past them. in their most mature stages they are shaped roughly humanoid, like faceless pale zombies with arms that wave slowly about them. their feet are rooted the soil that they have sprung up from. there is only one feeding bud like the young woman is trapped inside, but i have heard that the ancillary buds like i am fighting through take the shape of whatever the fungus has fed upon. here are the missing people of the township, converted into unseeing zombie pods. i guess that their skeletons are still embedded inside the vegetable mass, being slowly dissolved by the gastric digestive juices of the plant. my friend has determined that the young woman can be saved. she is too deep inside the fungal mouth of the feeding bud to be secured by the corrosive glue from the tooth like adhesive pads which line the edge of the mouth. she is only stuck on smaller globs inside the blossom. he carefully steps on the lip of the feeding stalk and reaches in take her nearest hand. with a mighty pull he jerks her free with a tearing sound as some of her clothing and a patch or two of skin stay fixed to mouth within. i have finally made my way past the ghastly zombie sprouts on the edge of the town square. the leading foot of my friend was too close to one of the adhesive pods when he pulled the woman out. the pressure caused a thick puddle of glue to ooze out over his foot so he can not get away. he is frantically pulling at his trapped leg, trying not to excite the other tooth pads nearby. i had found a short machete earlier when searching the town. i go over to the base of feeding stalk and start to chop at it. its outer skin is tough like leather, but once i manage to cut through it, the interior is more like the dried texture expected of mushrooms. it takes about twenty or so hacks with all my strength, but i manage to sever the predatory mouth bud from the rest of the plant. the zombie buds on the edge of their circle around the feeding zone stop their frantic waving and begin to wilt to droop right away. with the mouth cut off, i am able to cut the lip around my friend's boot so he can get away from the digestive region of the plant. it will take us most of the day to cut away all the other buds which are unable to retract back into their hiding places beneath the soil when the feeding nerves have been cut. most of the fungus is underground but by exposing so much of its reproductive tissue to open wounds, natural infection should kill the remainder of the plant. we can not leave even a single mushroom bud to release spores. =( awake at 11:16. i do not feel very refreshed yet, but know that it is past time for me to get up. i did not know any of the three people i saw in this dream, nor recognize the deserted township. this has the feel of a nightmare i suppose, but the main emotion i felt was that of heavy exertion rather than outright fear. i guess this is because i was never caught in the feeding excretions and had the job of rescue rather than escape. it may be of significance that the female part of the dream is the most endangered and trapped, while the child, friend and self ego parts are more active in her salvation. i wonder that the friend was so clearly mexican as i have only met a few such in waking life and have never known them very well beyond mere acquaintance. )= -- stankuli@etherways.com . === who loves by looks | | is seldom true to one --- -- thomas campion (1601) o|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|o The Cinderella Complex Kurt Forrer o|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|o There are hopeful signs that the latest investigations into the function of the brain will help to lift Cinders out of the ashes and demonstrate that without the Dream Fairy no one will be chosen by the prince of invention. Before coming to such experimentation I want to relate a most remarkable tale a recent inventor has to tell. Michael Barnsley, inventor of image compression, tells it in the documentary called ‘Colours of Infinity’. As a young man, a student of mathematics, he had a recurring nightmare over a period of twenty (20) years. In it he was face to face with a matrix, a kind of switchboard whose connecting wires were always in a confused tangle. It was his task to sort them out and find the correct hole for every one of these wayward plugs. As much as he tried, he never succeeded and so the nightmares returned time and time again, confronting him with the same task on every occasion. What is especially interesting in his case is the fact that unlike Elias Howe and Kekule, Michael Barnsley had no desire for inventing anything whatsoever all through this phase of nocturnal terror until the very end of it. So he could have had no idea what the apparent ‘switchboard’ was really for. All he knew for certain was that the wires of the curious apparatus were higgledy-piggledy and had to be put in order. Clearly, what was happening here took place mainly ‘below’ the level of ordinary waking awareness, which latter we could, following the computer model, call monitor consciousness as against hard disk consciousness. The only thing that managed to rise above the realm of the ‘hard disk operations’ (the so-called subconscious processes which upon sharper observation turn out to be impinging dream memories), was the recollection of a nightmare in which a certain task, whose purpose remained a dream secret, was to be performed. And as is customary in the realm of nightmares, they will recur until the dreamer has grasped the message and initiated appropriate action. That he couldn’t do of course since there was no visible problem or current project to which it might be applied. Thus Michael Barnsley had no choice but suffer his regular night terror until twenty years later when it was revealed to him what the ‘switchboard’ was really about, what functions it would have and in what realm it should come into existence. Sometime after meeting with Benoit Mandelbrot and his revolutionary fractal mathematics, Michael Barnsley began work on a practical application of Benoit’s discovery of the formula of infinite iterations (Z=Z squared + c). He speculated that one such practicality could be the construction of a particular software that allowed the compression, and hence clarification, of photographic images that were fuzzy, such as those taken from satellites. It was at this point that the scene of his old nightmare reappeared, but no longer in its former, terrifying form, but as a eureka experience. Here is what he said about the crucial time: “the discovery of how to automatically calculate the collage of an arbitrary picture came to me in a dream. (In it) I saw how you could straighten out the switchboard, how all the wires would come untangled and be nicely connected and how you would join all the wires from big blocks to little blocks in the grid. I woke up in the morning and I knew I had discovered the total secret to fractal image compression. How to automatically look at a digital picture and a) how to turn it into a formula, and b) an entity of infinite resolution. So the goal is now to be able to capture this fire of Prometheus, this fractal wonder, put it in a box and being able to make this available to everyone.” (From a documentary film, ‘Colours of Infinity’, hosted by Arthur C. Clark.) There is no better example I know that demonstrates the long arm and guiding intelligence of the vertical gifts in scientific discoveries and inventions. As the recurring nightmares, yet still meaningless to the dreamer, reveal, ideas for inventions or inklings of discoveries may be present in the secret realms of the carrier’s ‘hard disk’ long before they will show up on his ‘monitor’ or ‘desk top’. The incredibly long gestation of the matrix with its secret processes not understood by the dreamer, suggest quite irrefutably, that the task of creating the ultimate image compression software was not really Michael Barnsley’s choice, but the choice of his nightmares and illuminating final dream. There is only one word for such a happening: predetermination. This is strengthened by the fact that the nightmare was resolved at the time when Barnsley actually began to ponder the idea of image compression. The sense that the dream was here in charge all the way to the finished product is overwhelming. No less so is the thought that the dream not only knew in what form and how it was to become manifest, but also where and when. This is easily established, for image compression could only have become a reality at the particular point in time when Barnsley would come in contact with Mandelbrot and his fractal mathematics, the indispensable ingredient and motivation to the designing of the invention in question. And let’s keep in mind that it obviously knew this at a time when fractal math had not yet been developed to the point where it could be forming the basis of image compression. True, a French mathematician had thought of the theory of fractals long before Barnsley was born. But the facilities to make it visible and functional for practical purposes, a suitable computer technology had yet to be developed, and that became available only towards the end of Barnsley’s legendary nightmares. This case reinforces the notion that the inventor or the discoverer is not the creator, not the originator, not the instigator of the invention or discovery, but merely the vehicle, the tool in the hands of the dream, which, like Cinderella’s Fairy Godmother, alone can bring about the marriage of mind and matter. The immense gap of twenty years between the first occurrence of Barnsley’s nightmare and his last dream of resolution that fixed the matrix he couldn’t sort out himself, suggests that intelligent dreaming is not an haphazard process, that dreams are not just coming to the inventor’s help when he is stumped, but that they are an ongoing guide, step by step through his entire life. It suggests that the ‘hard disk’ of the inventor and of every person, determines when and what should appear on the ‘monitor screen’, which in turn will signal when and what to do. That this is more likely than not is underpinned by the experiments undertaken by Benjamin Libet. In an article in ‘The New Scientist’ from 14 September 2002 the following paragraph penned by John Gray demands that we seriously consider this suggestion: “If cognitive science is right, the picture of humans that philosophers conjure up when defending ideals of personal autonomy is at least partly a chimera. Other research supports this conclusion. Work by Benjamin Libet at the University of California showed that the electrical impulse in the brain that initiates action occurs up to half a second before we take the decision to act. Our actions are initiated unconsciously.” The paragraph then continues: “True, Libet allowed that we can veto what the brain has initiated, but it is unclear how we can even know that we have deliberately exercised this capacity. For all practical purposes, it might as well not exist.” A devastating conclusion for all those who, with the Ugly Sisters feel they can force the hand of the Dream Fairy. In light of Libet’s research, together with Michael Barnsley’s experience, choice is an illusion. True it comes into our mind as a feeling, free will is a feeling, but that’s where it ends. In view of the fact that dreams are capable of forging ahead not only into the immediate future as Edison, Howe, Kekule and Mozart have experienced, but also into the far future as Michael Barnsley would substantiate, gives us little room for ‘self-determination’. My own observations of dreams over a period of sixty years have convinced me that not even that bit of coveted ‘veto’ Libet mentions is possible. The classic example for this is a dream in which you are told that you will make a certain mistake. Then, naturally, you will do everything in your power to avoid it. You stay alert all day, watching for the situation with that built-in mistake to occur so you can forestall it. Suddenly you are distracted and ambushed by the dream’s program. The mistake it made. Choice is an Ugly Sister word. Accepting the reality of the Dream Fairy’s power alone brings you to the Castle of Clear Vision where the illusion of personal choice is stripped from you. Kurt Forrer is the author of 'DREAMS, Pre-grams of Tomorrow, a Path to a New World Perspective' From Kurt “My book had been published in 1991. I wrote it twenty-one years after an experience that shook the foundation of my very existence. I could see from then on how dreams would translate to waking experiences. One of the most fascinating things of that experience was that I saw that the Freudian interpretation was as valid as the Jungian one. Both interpreters have a point, but where they both miss out is in the fact that dreams are of the 4th dimension and are able to foresee tomorrow and beyond. In my book I show how this fact can be realised by anyone who can recall their dreams and has sufficient diligence and stamina to follow my instructions and record their dreams meticulously and watch for their waking manifestations. “ Kurt Forrer forrerk@bigpond.net.au o|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|o Dreams and Fantacy in Pan’s Labyrinth DreamRePlay (Copyright 2007) David Jenkins, PhD o|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|o DREAMS AND FANTASY Pan's Labyrinth is a fascinating film in its own right but it is also instructive to look at how director Guillermo del Toro skillfully combines a historical tale and a fairy story into a creative whole. From my particular dream perspective that's valuable because the fantasy/reality "tracking" in the film has a great deal in common with the way our dream/waking lives cross paths. Categorizing this film of two separate but connected plots is not easy. There is a harsh, sad story about waking life conflict (the aftermath of the defeat of the republicans in the Spanish Civil War, 1936-39) but it is not a war movie. The fairy tale is not of the cute, charming variety. Nor is there a "face your fantasy fears and you'll be fine" message. From one perspective, the movie is about the juxtaposition of these two worlds, "reality" and fantasy. As it progresses, these two stories, always intertwined, also interact. Knowledge and actions in one arena affect the other. The story is set in 1944 Spain, post civil war. The setting is not arbitrary. How familiar you are with this pivotal European conflict, the inspiration of a generation of radicals, will greatly affect how you first experience the movie. Clearly, del Toro, a Mexican, has something he needs to say about that titanic clash of wills. But within and through that outer political statement, there is a view of the imagination that few people connect with political tracts. The main character is a ten year old girl, Ofelia. In waking life her father has died and her mother has remarried a sadistic army officer. He is in charge of capturing or killing the last rebel supporters of the republic who are holding out in the woods. The mother is pregnant and dangerously ill but the officer is more concerned that she give birth to his son than that she survive. The housekeeper and the doctor who attends her mother are both secretly aiding the rebels as well as truly helping the mother. In the fairy tale, Ofelia is a princess, aided by dragonflies, guided and challenged by Pan, a faun. Before the next full moon she must pass three tests to prove she has not become human. Del Toro handles the standard formula of the princess and the three tasks with an original twist of his own. I am giving away only a morsel of the plot when I tell you that she fails his tests and thereby, paradoxically, succeeds. In this fairy land, Ofelia has allies, is given tasks to perform and decisions to make. She must also live and take action in the waking world as she struggles to help her mother survive, to resist her new "father" and to keep the secrets of the housekeeper. (If you listen to the DVD commentary, del Toro explains how he connects and distinguishes the two with the use of color, shapes and parallel activities). Your dream life also has a parallel and intertwining effect with your waking life. Dreams have the great benefit that they are far beyond waking control so that the parallels run much deeper. Rather than being artful and artistic ways of making points, dreams are direct enactments of what is really going on for you They are, I think, superior to your conscious assessments of your life. Del Toro clearly views the republicans as people whose imaginative power is stronger than that of the fascists who vanquish them. It's a fascinating working out of how to make sense of an oppressive system that lasted 40 years and a cause that retreated into the realm of the imagination. Among the interpretations you could make of this film--and it can encompass many--one would be that "Might is right. but short sighted." Might really does triumph in the waking world; yet, in the long run, the people who hold true to their imagination are the more human and humane. Conclusion The point about your dreams is this: the issues that you are dealing with in your dreams are central to your vitality. To ignore your dreams is to lose touch with a core part of your humanity and imagination. NEW DREAM GROUP When you have a waking-life problem that you've attempted to resolve over and over but never achieve satisfaction it's time to take a look at your dreams. I will be starting a new dream group in which you will work on solving one particular waking-life problem. Although my usual approach is to follow the dreams wherever they lead, in this group you'll be using your dreams to tell you about one specific problem (money, weight-loss, career change, sleep improvement etc). The most difficult problems are typically much easier to resolve when we look at them from a dream perspective. Interested? Send me an email: davidj@dreamreplay.com. Click here for more information. DREAM GROUPS The Saturday drop-in group ($20) is from 10 am to noon at 2315 Prince Street in Berkeley. The nearest major cross street is Ashby and Telegraph. Please let me know if you are coming. SHARE DREAM OF THE WEEK If you enjoy reading Dream of the Week, please tell your friends. They can read back issues and subscribe (free) at DreamOfTheWeek.com. David Jenkins Dream RePlay email: davidj@dreamoftheweek.com web: http://dreamoftheweek.com +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ** DREAMS ** DREAMS ** DREAMS ** DREAMS ** DREAMS ** DREAMS +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Here is a new collection of new and old dreams sent into Electric Dreams. dream_title: Faces in Photos dream_date: April 26/27/28-07 dreamer_name: Anonymous dream_text: I am looking at old black and white photos of people. I don't know any of them. There is one in particular of a woman with glasses. She is dressed like in the 1950's and posing like a class picture. All these people are important somehow to me but I don't know who they are. Now I see a woman sitting in a dark corner of an endless room. She is hunched over and looking down. She looks up and her eyes are red then black like coal. Again the photo of the 1950's woman reappears. Now I am seeing faces of women flashing before my eyes. Some have evil expressions...some look in distress, some are just staring blankly at me… I want to turn away but I need to remember the images I want to speak to these faces but they cannot respond. I wonder who they are? dream_comments: Hi I don't know why night after night I am seeing photograph images of faces and seeing people's faces.. dream_title: driving with the dead dream_date: 04/26/07 dreamer_name: runoutoftime dream_text: for two days in a row I have dreamt I was driving my grandmother, an aunt and someone else I don't know, to an unknown destination. We were just driving not saying anything or going anywhere in particular. dream_comments: dream_title: The "Eye" Has It dream_date: 4-26-07 dreamer_name: Grave Doctor J dream_text:. I went back to sleep this morning after my husband and brother left to run an errand. About 20 minutes after. i had a dream where i woke up and looked in the mirror and i yelled! my left eye was completely red and bleeding. I mean the bleeding would not stop i kept wiping it away and it kept going. I was calling my husband's name but he didn't answer. dream_comments: It was so realistic, very brief and very scary. I have never had a dream so vivid about myself. in the past i had dreams about my hair. It was either different colors, falling out or i looked in the mirror and was completely bald. Seeing me bleeding out of my eye was horrifying! dream_title: eternal bliss dream_date: 21.05.2006 dreamer_name: anonymous dream_text: I experienced leaving my physical body, in the form of a bird. I was flying at great height and speed over green grass woven lands, green valleys, springs, rivers, and ultimately into the sky. I wondered about what happened to me, who I am, where I came from, and where am I going. I suddenly enter a long tunnel formed in the mountains. Inside it was pitch dark. I continue flying in the form of a bird without hitting any sides. Still my questions bug me. There seems to be light at the end of the tunnel. I approach the light with great speed. To my surprise, the body of the bird disintegrates and forms a rope-like light rotating into itself collecting all the light particles in the form of fire. After some time, the light-fire particles start unwinding and spread outwards at great speed. Still my questions continue as to who I am, where I came from, and where I will be going. At this point of time, I find a blissfully smiling face, inviting me into it and telling me that I am going to get absorbed into it. dream_comments: My sister woke me up and asked me as to what happened and why was I sighing deeply. My body was completely drenched in sweat. I was quite depressed for some time; depressed because, I had eternal bliss during that time, and I could not continue to have that bliss in the real world. dream_title: Ying Yang dream_date: When I was a little kid dreamer_name: DS dream_text: I was in the middle of a bridge, on either side of me was a troll. The evil troll, which was black, would try and kidnap me. Then the white troll tried to save me. They got into a fight and ended up piled on top of me. dream_comments: dream_title: electric fire dream_date: 4/23, 4/24/ 2007 dreamer_name: anonymous dream_text: I keep dreaming of an electric fire. I have to run away from the electric fire. It's not too bad of a fire, but everyone has to evacuate anyway. The first night we were all evacuating a house like a school or college house. The second night we were on a public transportation train - like the L-train in Chicago and there was an electrical fire and we had to leave the train. Neither night we had to run or hurry, but still we knew there was an electric fire. The first night my desaesed sibling was also in the dream. dream_comments: dream_title: random party dream_date: 4/16/2007 dreamer_name: anonymous dream_text: I was at a party at an old friends house and went to look at the room where my boyfriend lived for awhile and it was so ugly, but when I went back downstairs it was now one of my family reunions. My grandpa was there who I never see anymore. My boyfriend wanted to leave so I left my whole family for him and after we left we met up with a couple of old co workers and one of their trucks got stolen and my ex boyfriends brother captured the theif and I beat them up but before the cops came I woke up. dream_comments: dream_title: baby bulldog dream_date: 3/5/2007 dreamer_name: anonymous dream_text: I was with a friend looking to get a new dog so I went to an animal shelter/pet store and saw the most perfect little english bulldog puppy that was exactily what I was looking for. In order to take the dog home I had to take him in a room and bond with him, but when I did the puppy turned into a man in his mid twentys and was so annoying. I really loved the dog, but I didn't want this man, but I couldn't get one without the other so I was so confused and before I could make a decision I woke up. dream_comments: dream_title: Freaky dream_date: 04/18/06 dreamer_name: BN dream_text: I was walking along what looked like a river when I see my ex-girlfriend. She is standing there in a pure white dress and is smiling at me. She starts talking to me she says "Don’t ask me again..." We start walking and out of nowhere the sky turns bright red and she melts. I hear screaming in the background and then I see a black cat, he jumps on me and melds into my leg... dream_comments: I woke up in a cold sweat. dream_title: Jesus dream_date: 1981 dreamer_name: anonymous dream_text: I was standing with many people in a line. At the beginning of the line there was a chair, everyone seemed to have different energies filtering through their veins of expectation, waiting for "the turn". Next to the chair was a curtain, closed, with an illuminating life behind it, lighting it up. When it became my turn to sit in the chair, a hand pulled back the curtain. It was Jesus sitting behind the curtain. I was baffled he showed Himself to me. He simply and gently looked in my eyes and said, "until you walk away from possessions, you will never truly feel free". That was all. dream_title: third eye in first boy friend dream_date: 29 may 07 dreamer_name: anonymous dream_text: I thought about my first boyfriend in the afternoon wondering what he was doing at this point of his life. At night I dreamt that he appeared and spoke to me when he spoke to me he had a third eye in his face. It is the first time I dream with a third eye. He was worried about feelings he had on something he was scared of about me dream_title: dream_date: May 21,2207 dreamer_name: Amy B. dream_text: I dreamed that i was in bed with the individual that i'm currently talking to, in the dream i got up on the bed and crawled towards the end of the bed, i looked up and saw that there was a woman at the door, looking through the crack and she had blonde hair(long), and a green top; i recall hearing her talk to someone asking for something, she ends up walking into the room and puts her breast into my mouth and asked me to suck on it, i tasted the milk from her breast, it had a bad taste, i spit it out, and she went into the bathroom to pump out the milk, i did not know if she was pregnant or not, but felt like there was a baby situation. dream_title: eternal bliss dream_date: 21.05.2006 dreamer_name: anonymous dream_text: i had a fantastic dream. i experienced leaving my physical body in the form of a bird and flying at great height and sped over green grass woven lands, green valleys, springs, rivers, and ultimately into the sky. i was wondering, as to what happened to me, as to who i am, and where from i came, and where am i going. i suddenly enter a long tunnel fromed in the mountains. inside it was pitch dark. but i continue fllying in the from of a bird without hitting any side. still the question buggs me. there seems to be light at the end of the tunnel. i approach the light with great speed. to my surprise, the body of the bird disintegrates and forms a rope like light rotating into itself collecting all the light particles in the form of fire. after some time, the light-fire particles start unwinding and spreads outwards at great speed. still the thinking goes on as to who am i, where from i came and where will i be going. at this point of time, i find a blissfully smiling face, inviting me into it and telling me that i am going to get absorbed into that. dream_title: Killer of a Mexican Band dream_date: 05/19/2007 dreamer_name: Monique G dream_text: Hi my name is monique and i experience this awful dream: I had a dream of this famous Mexican band that was from Dallas!!! webb chapel rd! well the main singer of the group will sing songs about the street they grew up on which was webb chappel and how they came up!! well there was this one guy that had beef with people who lived on webb chapel so he shot him on the head!!! well this is all i remember from the dream i had!!! i do remember that part of the groups name was something PRIMEVERA!!! dream_title: Peace? dream_date: 5/18/07 dreamer_name: Avis dream_text: I was helping a friend find something; I was driving him or her down many tree-lined streets in an attempt to find some unknown (to me) object or individual. At some point, we are out of the car and my friend is gone. I am alone at the top of a small hill. I believe I'm standing in dirt, and just looking around. I feel fine, pleased even. I turn to look at what is behind me. I see a huge cloud of brownish debris coming directly toward me. This debris and dirt cloud is massive. It is moving very, very quickly. My mind recognizes that this cloud is the result of something manmade, that some city off in the distance was attacked. My mind also recognizes that I am going to be swallowed by this debris. I know for a fact death is coming. I do not run, I stand there and watch it approach me. It is moving so quickly. I feel no fear. It is mesmerizing. The cloud approaches and my mind recognizes that I am going to be vaporized. I still feel no fear. As the first bits of the cloud hit me, I feel no pain but feel myself fading away. My perspective shifts to that of someone who would be watching the scene unfold and I see myself break down like sand, disintegrated parts of me blowing away. I am completely calm through this all. My perspective shifts back to being in that body and feeling - really really feeling, but not experiencing any pain - that dust cloud pour through my body, taking me with it. Then I just disappear. But, I somehow still have knowledge that I have disappeared. And then the dream ends. dream_title: Being shot dream_date: 5/12/07 dreamer_name: anonymous dream_text: I was walking back to my car on a dirt road by myself, and talking on the phone to my mother. A kid in the trees on the side of the road was holding a shotgun. I tripped and fell and was crawling on my tummy for 2 seconds and all of a sudden this boy was standing over me and as soon as I turned over he shot me in the stomache, and ran off. I could physically feel blood gushing from my stomache and mouth and the last thing I remember is telling myself to wake up and just get to my car and I'll be okay I wiggled my fingers to get energy, and then woke up. dream_title: oprah is trippin again dream_date: 11/29/06 dreamer_name: esoteric dream_text: I dreamt it was a sunny day and we (me and somebody else)was on a busy street when i heard "oprah" on a radio (or maybe just out of the blue cause i don't remember a radio being on at the time of the dream)and she said (anyone who come on her show talking about money or being sexist in anyway would be kicked off the show)but at the time of those words i visualized the stage setting and i saw people on the stage as if the camera was moving from left to right as if i seen the show on a television screen and i saw "two little girls" in my vision, they were twins on stage but "they had on blue dresses " and "sandy blonde hair". one of the girls had a shocking facial expression on her face as a result of "oprah's" comments. all of a sudden i was in "my room at home" and i saw (two spiders/crabs)like insects crawling on the walls of the room. dream_title: The Clock dream_date: 11.05.03 dreamer_name: AlwaysDream dream_text: I was in an old two storey house or apartment block, overlooking the side of a huge clock face, stone around the face, huge metal hands on the clock, I couldn't see it face on, it was almost looking out onto the side of it. There was a concert on the roof and Elton John was playing the Piano, I saw his hands and nails but knew they weren't his. Inside I was packing a suitcase, and was basically clearing everything out and putting it into the car. I walked back into an apartment and they were painting the walls, a light soft green colour, with a roller, the room had big windows overlooking the rest of the building... it was almost like a party was going on, I saw an ex-friend that I had recently broken up with and her partner walking into the room ahead of me and then out the door onto a balcony. dream_title: The penny dream_date: 4/23/03 dreamer_name: iDoM dream_text: I was walking towards a penny, a dark purple penny. It's eyes were cut out and I could see someone staring at me through the eye. This terrified me, but I kept walking to what appeared to be my demise. I began to walk slower, realizing the potential danger of this penny, and when i got to it i touched it and i got pushed very hard. I got pushed into what seemed like another world, what seemed like another dream. I found myself sitting on a tree branch. I looked down and i was so high in the sky the houses looked like little ants. I realized i could fall, becuz the branch started shaking. I looked over and beside me was my girlfriend Ali. she was safe on another branch, and she saw my branch shaking. She was crying, saying she didnt want me to die. She stretched her hand out towards me and I thought i was saved, saved by the love of my life. She swiftly moved her hand up way out of my reach and grew an evil, demonic smile. I fell, looking back at her with the sickest feeling. She killed me, the girl i love killed me. As i fell to my death i saw her stare at me laughing. At some point during the fall i woke up, only to hear her laughing more, the same laugh...but i wasnt dreaming. dream_title: UNDERSTANIDNG A MADMAN dream_date: 05/24/04 dreamer_name: ANNIE H dream_text: It begins when I am at a social gathering and there appears to be someone interested in talking to me. I ignore the man and address to everyone that I am going to sleep. It is when I am going to sleep that two strangers approach me and warn me about the man who wanted to talk to me. They reveal to me that he is a madman and that it all began during his childhood. I am taken back to when the madman was a child and it is as if I am witnessing it firsthand the man's childhood. He is about 6-8 yrs. old and playing on a building's rooftop with some friends. He then pushes one of his friend's off the roof intentionally and I am witnessing the friend's fall firsthand. Obviously his friend dies and at that moment the young madman jumps off the roof but nothing happens to him and he is completely unharmed and that is where it all began. Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 09:39:47 -0000 From: "Andrea" Subject: Re-Occurring Dream about same person I keep having dreams over and over again about the same person. I think that I dream about him because I have feelings for him. He is a friend of mine, and he knows how I feel. In my dreams I am so happy and complete and just an unexplainable feeling of bliss. When I wake up I am overwhelmed with guilt and am almost in tears because of these dreams. I am married and feel bad about having these dreams all the time. In my dream tonight, still haven't gone back to sleep from waking up during it, I was waiting to see if a war/end of world attack that I knew may be getting ready to start was actually going to happen. I was walking down the road by my friend's (the guy who I dream about) house. He had an unusually long swimming pool and I got in and instead of walking down the sidewalk like you usually would continuing my walk I got in the pool and started swimming. It was a very narrow long pool. He got in and swam to me, I turned around and went under water and pretended I didn't see him. He started talking to me and then we got on a bench I put my head in his lap and was hiding waiting to see if the end ( I think the world was waiting for a bomb or nuclear weapon to be launched at us) It never did. We decided that we needed sleep as we had been up all night. He walked me home to my mother's house. I don't live there, so that was odd to me. We didn't do alot of talking during the ride back before he walked me to my mother's. But I do remember the feeling of absolute happiness, warmth, and love in this dream. As we were walking he was telling me he needed to get some sleep. 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