The ABZzzzzs of Dreaming Electric Dreams Electric Dreams Electric Dreams Electric Dreams Electric Dreams Electric Dreams To subscribe to Electric Dreams Send from the address you want to subscribe to electric-dreams-request@lists.best.com And put in the body of the e-mail only subscribe your-email To unsubscribe from Electric Dreams Send from the address you want to unsubscribe to electric-dreams-request@lists.best.com And put in the body of the e-mail only: unsubscribe your-email Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z E L E C T R I C D R E A M S Volume 6 Issue #11 NOVEMBER 1999 ISSN# 1089 4284 Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z Electric Dreams on the World Wide Web USA www.dreamgate.com/electric-dreams Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z Send Dreams and Comments on Dreams to: Richard Wilkerson Send Dreaming News and Calendar Events to: Peggy Coats Send Articles and Subscription concerns to: Richard Wilkerson: For back issues, dream groups, editors addresses and other access & Staff see ELECTRIC DREAMS ACCESS INFORMATION at the end of this issue Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z DownLoad a Cover for this Issue! http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/ed-covers Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z Special Guest Editor! Kathleen Meadows, Ph.D. C O N T E N T S ++ Editor's Notes ++ Column: Dream Trek: Flying Dreams FAQ Linda Lane MagallĒn ++ The AB-Zzzzzs of Dreaming - With host Richard Wilkerson INCLUDING: *** Why do we dream? - Send in your reasons! *** New Dream Science- The Solms-Hobson debate. *** Shouldn't dreams be handled only by qualified therapists? *** How do I recall my dreams? With Rick Bouchard. *** How relevant do you feel dream interpretation is in the work of therapy? *** How do I develop a career in Dreams and Dreaming? *** What are the Educational Needs of a Dreamworker? ++ SURVEY: Dream Census for Dream Program Providers. ++ Article: The Origins of the Electric Dreams Community: Part I Richard Wilkerson G L O B A L D R E A M I N G N E W S - Peggy Coats NEWS * RESEARCH & REQUESTS * WEBSITE & ONLINE UPDATES * * DREAM CALENDAR for November-December 1999 * ASD Fall Update! D R E A M S S E C T I O N : dream-flow.v001.n144 through dream-flow.v001.n178 XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX November 17, deadline for submission FOR Next Electric Dreams vol 6(12) Theme: Dreams and Spirituality XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ Editor's Notes +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ I just finished a two week conference that took place online and was hosted by the Association for Transpersonal Psychology. The topic, "Consciousness and the Internet" included some of my favorite dreamwork folks, such as Jayne Gackenbach, John Suler, Walter Lodgeman and Robert Bosnak. It was clear to me that dreamworkers have a lot to offer other perspectives on life, I think due to dreamwork folks being able to move around so easily in virtual realities. Questions raised included whether the Net is a vehicle for consciousness raising and spirituality, whether the Net is a new medium or an addictive simulated mistake, whether the Net rips us out of our bodies or provides new visceral connections, whether the Net is itself become self-conscious or whether its just another dead technology. Some of the presenters were still quite suspicious and held on to values that they wanted the Net to amplify. The dreamworkers were more hands-on and ready to engage the new imaginal landscape. They wanted to engage the Net and connect with its soul. They wanted to play with the images we have about the Net and see what projections fall out, what internalization took hold. They were busily engaged in making these reality happen. They were busy doing research to ferret out just what it is about a life-moment, any life moment, that makes it special and allows it to achieve presence. Of course, this is all after you can convince a dreamworker to actually come online. As a group, we seem slow to initially use technology to mediate our dreamscapes. One of the issues that I feel the dream community needs to work more on is the notion of community. Here, other groups were really more developed than we are at this conference. Though I felt I had a lot to offer the virtual community people in terms of procedures and events, it was clear they have a great deal to offer us about developing community. One of the ways I would like for the dream movement online to develop community is to work together on a single project. This project can be distributed and everyone can maintain their own parts, but I would like to find a way to have a larger group consciousness as well. I will be developing this notion over the next year. For now I think a good start is to find out where we are and if there is a "we" where we are going. Is there room for mutual support online for the Dream Movement? See the DREAM CENSUS below. Also, I would like to see an educational component that is shared, and want to suggest the DREAM FAQ project again. I would like to draw upon all the dreamworkers and dream education programs to join in an online project to build a Dream FAQ. There are several FAQ projects on dreams right now and it would be really nice bring these all together. In hopes of eliciting some productivity along these lines I planning to include each month in Electric Dreams a Frequently Asked Question and would like as many people as possible to respond to this. I am jump-starting the procedure this month by including a half a dozen or so questions that get asked all the time. I would prefer you POST you answers to the ASD bulletin board for discussion: http://www.asdreams.org/subidxdiscussionsbboard.htm ...but if you prefer, you can also send them to me at rcwilk@dreamgate.com. If you want more anonymity you can post your answer at the dream-flow web site dream-entry form. Http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/temple Linda Magallon is providing an excellent FAQ on Flying Dreams and this is a good model of how the FAQ might work. Pick your particular topic area and expand, expound, and amaze! As you can see, this FAQ will become the standard for years to come. So, let's think about how to distribute and share this information? It time for the DREAM CENSUS! This is an annual Electric Dreams information exchange and update survey. It will give you a chance to tell us and the dream community about your site, updates, additions changes and projects you have coming up. If you run a dream group online, have a web site related to dreaming or provide some other dream related service, please fill out the form and return it asap. Peggy Coats has a ton of dream news for you about all the latest events and happenings. I would like to particularly note the Chat Room on NOV 3., an online meeting from the ASD Dream Time Live Series. FREE! EASY! Mark you calendar! November 3, 1999 at 7:00 PM PST Kelly Bulkeley on Visions of the Night, Dreams Religion and Psychology. Where? See the Global Dreaming News for details, or mail to chat@asdreams.org Finally, I wanted to mention that I have two new books in circulation. One is a Book on CD for PCs that includes the DreamGate History of Dream Class plus tons of resources, called _a Brief History of DreamSharing: Theory, Techniques and Cyberspace_. The other is a chapter in an anthology called _Dreamscaping_, put out by Mark Waldman and Stanley Krippner. NEXT MONTH: Dreams and Spirituality. What is it to you? Send in your essays and answers! -Richard +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ Dream Airing: News, Notes and Events +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ Dream Editor Needed! Electric Dreams is seeking a dream editor. What's that? Someone who will take all the dreams and comments that come into our community over the month and format and organize them for our publication. This is volunteer, public service position. - Contact Richard Wilkerson, rcwilk@dreamgate.com and tell me why are interested and how many month/issues you can commit to helping out! Thanks, Richard /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Many thanks to Kat, our cover artist for Electric Dreams 6(11) November. Be sure to download a cover! http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/ed-covers Visit the Art Gallery of Kat Eiswald http://home.pacbell.net/davekat ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// ////////////////////////////////////////// From Harry Bosma: With some pride I can announce you that the new version of the Alchera Suite has been released. The Alchera Suite 3 offers a lot of flexibility to structure your journal entries to your own needs. It also adds a page for daytime entries. Printing options have been improved and email capability has been integrated. If you want to take a closer look at the new features, I suggest you visit the Mythwell.com site. From its main page you can both visit the online Alchera Tour and go to the page showing screen pictures of new features: http://mythwell.com Alternatively you can also immediately download the demo, though you really should take a look at the website if you want to get an indication of features. The demo: http://mythwell.com/download/alch3_eval.exe To start downloading, (double)click on the above line, that should do the trick in modern email software. I suggest you download it to your desktop if possible. After the file has been fully downloaded you can install the Alchera Suite by (double)clicking on the downloaded file. As always, the demo is a limited version, especially in that it only accepts eight dreams. Thank you for your time. Have a good weekend! Harry Dream journaling software: http://mythwell.com ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Coming next month, Dreams and Spirituality. Send in your own stories! ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Book on CD by Richard Wilkerson /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// A Brief History of DreamSharing: Theory, Techniques and Cyberspace. A History Course in Dreamwork including Freud and the Unconscious, Jung and Mythic Wholeness, Dreams and Anthropology, Grassroots Dream Sharing, Dream Science and more. Also includes A Guide to Cyber-Dreaming. Postmodern Dreamwork, Dream Resources and more. A Brief History of Dream Sharing CD $29.95 [For PC or IBM Compatible computers only} Shipping and Handling (US) $3.00 Tax (CA 8.5%) $2.55 For overseas orders, e-mail rcwilk@dreamgate.com Shipping in 3-4 weeks Send Check or US money order to: DreamGate PMB 171 4644 Geary Blvd San Francisco, CA 94118 //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Dreamscaping: New and Creative Ways to Work with your Dreams. http://www.dreamgate.com/dreamscaping.htm Oliver Sacks * Gayle Delaney * Jeremy Taylor * Robert L. Van de Castle * Eugene Gendlin * Robert Bosnak * Kathleen Sullivan * Kelly Bulkeley * Montague Ullman * Ernest Hartmann * Marie-Louise von Franz * Richard Wilkerson * and others Mark Solms and Stanley Krippner, Eds Dreamscaping brings together world-renowned authorities on dreams, providing readers with innovative methods for working with themselves, their partners, and groups. In this anthology, you will learn how to better recall your dreams, decipher their hidden meanings, create imaginative dialogues with dream characters, construct dream diaries, understand recurring dreams and nightmares, and apply dream messages to your life. You will also learn how dreams can be used to process the final moments of life. //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// ELECTRIC DREAMS DREAMWHEEL DREAM GROUP VIA EMAIL DreamWheel Quick Start Instructions: 1. Subscribe to dream-on mail list - see below. 2. send a dream you want to work on to the moderator Currently: "Kathy Turner" 3. We work on one dream at a time, first asking clarification questions, then allowing everyone to comment. See below for more details. `````````````````````````````````````````````````` DreamWheel Information File ````````````````````````````````````````````````` To subscribe and unsubscribe from the Electric Dreams DreamWheel send an email TO: dream-on-request@lists.best.com In the body of the email put only subscribe your-email That's it! You may get an email asking you to verify the subscription. If so, simply hit the reply key, change the REJECT to ACCEPT and send it back. To unsubscribe do the same thing using unsubscribe. Send an email TO: dream-on-request@lists.best.com In the body of the email put only unsubscribe your-email If you would like to recieve the dream email messages from the DreamWheel individually as they come in instead of all together in a package once a day, then send your request TO: dream-on-request@lists.best.com In the body of the email put only subsingle your-email The Electric Dreams DreamWheels are sponsored by DreamGate and the Electric Dreams Community. Instructions come with every phase of the group from a group moderator. Dreams are send in to the moderator and sorted. (you can send to Kathy who is moderating this Wheel) We go through the dreams as a group one by one. The first phase is the question phase, asking non-defensive clarification questions of the dreamer, who may or may not respond as they chose. Then in the comment phase each person in the group takes the dream as if it were their own. The process is non-defensive, fun and very revealing. The process is modeled on the work of John Herbert, Richard Wilkerson and others. Each moderator may add their own style to the process. For sample sessions of the group see Sample Session - Herbert http://users.aol.com/john0417/dmgp/dg16.html Sample Session - Electric Dreams Dream Wheel (Wilkerson & Hicks) http://www.asdreams.org/asd-13/2lb12.htm Sample Session - Electric Dreams Dream Wheel (Wilkerson -Coins of Life) http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/ed-backissues/ed5-9.txt Sample Session - Electric Dreams DreamWheel (Wilkerson - Dreaming with Serbia) http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/serbia To read John Herbert's research work comparing face to face groups with online groups, go to http://users.aol.com/john0417/HuSci/Greet.html Herbert, J.W. (1991) "Human Science Research Methods in Studying Dreamwork: Qualitative and Quantitative Analysis of Face-to-Face and Computer Dream Work Groups" Unpublished Manuscript, Saybrook Institute, San Francisco. For a quick history and summary of this work, see: Wilkerson, R. & Herbert, J. (1995). John Herbert and the Internet Group Dreamwork . Electric Dreams 2(6) http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/articles_rcw/ed2-6jh.htm or A Short History on the Rise of Dream Sharing in Cyberspace - Richard Wilkerson Electric Dreams October 1998 Volume 5 Issue 9 www.dreamgate.com/electric-dreams The DreamWheel follows the guideline of ethical conduct set forth by the Association for the Study of Dreams. ASD Dreamwork Ethics Statement ASD celebrates the many benefits of dreamwork, yet recognizes that there are potential risks. ASD supports an approach to dreamwork and dream sharing that respects the dreamer's dignity and integrity, and which recognizes the dreamer as the decision-maker regarding the significance of the dream. Systems of dreamwork that assign authority or knowledge of the dream's meanings to someone other than the dreamer can be misleading, incorrect, and harmful. Ethical dreamwork helps the dreamer work with his/her own dream images, feelings, and associations, and guides the dreamer to more fully experience, appreciate, and understand the dream. Every dream may have multiple meanings, and different techniques may be reasonably employed to touch these multiple layers of significance. A dreamer's decision to share or discontinue sharing a dream should always be respected and honored. The dreamer should be forewarned that unexpected issues or emotions may arise in the course of the dreamwork. Information and mutual agreement about the degree of privacy and confidentiality are essential ingredients in creating a safe atmosphere for dream sharing. Dreamwork outside a clinical setting is not a substitute for psychotherapy, or other professional treatment, and should not be used as such. ASD recognizes and respects that there are many valid and time-honored dreamwork traditions. We invite and welcome the participation of dreamers from all cultures. There are social, cultural, and transpersonal aspects to dream experience. In this statement we do not mean to imply that the only valid approach to dreamwork focuses on the dreamer's personal life. Our purpose is to honor and respect the person of the dreamer as well as the dream itself, regardless of how the relationship between the two may be understood. Prepared by Carol Warner Association for the Study of Dreams Spring, 1997 www.asdreams.org ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= DREAM TREK By Linda Lane Magall›n Flying Dream FAQ 1999 Linda Lane MagallĒn =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= 1. How common are flying dreams? More than a third of the dreaming population reports having had at least one flying dream. And, if you have one, you're very likely to have more. Your chance of having a flying dream doubles if you are a lucid dreamer (you are able to become awake and aware as you dream). 2. Did flying dreams exist before the invention of airplanes? You bet! They can be traced back to earliest recorded history (the Babylonians and Egyptians). They have also been found world-wide: throughout Europe, Asia and Africa; among the Pacific Islanders and North American Indians; in Australia and South America. 3. Why do I have them? Am I weird to have them? Or not to have them? Are you especially creative? Do you have an imaginative personality? People with these characteristics (poets, writers, musicians, painters, graphic designers, etc.) are more likely to have flying dreams than the average population. People who do public speaking are prone to have them, too. Not surprisingly, folks who fly planes and hang gliders have flying dreams, although they tend to fly without their vehicles, like Superman. 4. How old do you have to be to have a flying dream? Flying dreams have been shared by 3, 4 and 5 year olds. At the other end of the age spectrum, flying dreams are reported by the physically infirm elderly. Children and young people tend to have more flying dreams than the older population. But with deliberate dreaming, the numbers increase. 5. What do flying dreams mean? Doesn't flying in dreams mean that I'm not grounded in physical life? Or have sexual problems? Or am too proud? Or...? There are many, many interpretations of flying dreams, some contradictory. They are metaphoric (sign of freedom), prophetic (omen of death), spiritual (journey to other realms) and cultural (for the Crow Indians: you are sick, but in Central Africa: you have good health). My favorite is that flying dreams are symbolic of the out-of-body experience. 6. Will you interpret my dream? No, I don't do symbolic interpretation for other people. I'm more interested in what's initiating your dreams (the cause), and only you can track that down. When you do, you can use that information to vary the quality and quantity of your flying dreams. 7. So, what causes flying dreams? Many explanations have been offered. Here's a few examples: psychological (expression of emotion), physiological (due to breathing), physical (movement of bed), psychic (precognitive of airplane trip) and astral (consciousness in motion). 8. Why do I have the same flying dream over and over? A symbolic interpretation: it's an omen that you will lose everything you possess. A causal explanation: the dream was induced by something in your life that had a great impact (environmental, bio-chemical, work-related, etc.). Either the impact hasn't dissipated yet, or the dream is being triggered by a similar stimulus, again and again. 9. What is it so hard to get off the ground? A symbolic interpretation: the dream is a pun for being "grounded" in waking life, that is, restricted or limited in some way. A causal explanation: you are still dealing with physical, psychic, emotional or mental fatigue that hasn't yet been processed by a full, deep night's sleep. 10. Why would I want to have flying dreams? Because they're fun! How many enjoyable dreams do you have? 11. How can I have flying dreams? One technique: develop a phrase (such as "Tonight I fly") and hold it vividly in your mind as you fall asleep. 12. Can I control or influence my flight? Yes, using the tools of incubation (before you dream) and lucidity (in the dream). 13. What experiments have been done with flying dreams? Flying dreams are related to the vestibular system, which regulates body equilibrium. With this in mind, lab research confirms that certain physical stimuli that affects balance can induce flying dreams when the subject is asleep (wearing a blood pressure cuff, rocking in a hammock, raising and lowering the bed). In the laboratory, lucid dream subjects have more flying dreams than do nonlucid subjects. As measured by an electrooculogram (record of eye movement), a lucid dream of flying took the same time as the dreamer's account related upon waking. 14. What about field research? Field research experimentation, case studies and statistical analysis of dreams has found flying to be positively related to nightmare resolution, superheroic dream feats, lucid dreaming, astral projection, extrasensory perception and mutual dreaming. 15. How can I use flying dreams to deal with nightmares? At the very least, you can fly away. View the situation from a wider perspective or turn and confront your problem backed with a sense of strength and flexibility. Deliberate incubation of flying dreams promotes a positive dream experience, overall. 16. What's their link with fantasy? Flying without technical support is a magical event. Flying dreamers are also likely to experience similar fantastic feats such as mutability, time travel and teleportation in their dreams. 17. What's the link with lucid dreams and out-of-body experiences? Even more than sexual dreams, flying is the favorite activity of lucid dreamers. Lucid dreams of flying score low on confused thinking and perhaps this is why some dreamers can use flying as a cue to lucidity. Flying dreams can induce lucid dreams. They foreshadow, parallel and merge with the out-of-body experience. 18. What is their link with psychic dreams? Flying dreamers tend to believe in and experience extrasensory perception. Flying dreams have been produced in telepathic experiments in which the sender used a picture target with a flying theme. 19. Are flying dreams just for loners? No, people like to talk about their flying dreams. Flying dreamers are more likely than most to call someone on the phone to share their dreams. The majority of mutual dreamers (those who deliberately dream with other people) have the ability to fly in their dreams. 20. Where can I find more information? At *Dream Flights,* the web site for flying dreams. http://members.aol.com/caseyflyer/flying/dreams.html ++++++++++++++++ w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w The AB-Zzzzzs of Dreaming Richard Wilkerson w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w I would like to draw upon all the dreamworkers and dream education programs to join in an online project to build a Dream FAQ. There are several FAQ projects on dreams right now and it would be really nice bring these all together. In hopes of eliciting some productivity along these lines I planning to include each month in Electric Dreams a Frequently Asked Question and would like as many people as possible to respond to this. I am jump-starting the procedure this month by including a half a dozen or so questions that get asked all the time. There are so many ways to answer these and so many different levels of answers that can be given. Kids in grade school are as interested as college students and mothers with children and seniors citizens. Consider in your answers that you may want to address a particular group, of tier the answer so it becomes progressively more sophisticated. I would prefer you POST you answers to the ASD bulletin board for discussion: http://www.asdreams.org/subidxdiscussionsbboard.htm ...but if you prefer, you can also send them to me at rcwilk@dreamgate.com. If you want more anonymity you can post your answer at the dream-flow web site dream-entry form. Http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/temple INDEX *** Why do we dream? *** New Dream Science *** Shouldn't dreams be handled only by qualified therapists? *** How do I recall my dreams? *** How relevant do you feel dream interpretation is in the work of therapy? *** How do I develop a career in Dreams and Dreaming?. *** What are the Educational Needs of a Dreamworker w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w *** Why do we dream? w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w I have always felt this question is like "Why do we walk?" The biologists and physiologists can tell me about the conditions necessary for walking and how walking evolved and how it helps me survive and adapt. But does that satisfy the question? Hardly. I walk in the forest to travel through rustling leaves and at other times to dodge cars in the road. Sometimes I walk because I am angry and sometimes for health. Yet these answers don't fully satisfy me either. So I go on spiritual quests and begin looking at the legs as a vehicle of enlightenment and liberation. I go on a existential quest and chose my legs to be the carrier of my becoming. Somewhere along this journey I begin to realize that why I walk is a great mystery that seems to transcend any particular inquiry, yet remains intimate and personal. The same journey is true of why I talk, and eat and meet people, and dream. Yet each of these activities are also unique and as I get older, I tend to develop the aspects of each which best unfold their potential. That is, I rarely walk on my hands, nor try to create friends by sleeping. Perhaps this is why so many people, when left to do what they want in dreams, will go flying. Its a particularity of dreaming that is best done while dreaming. But notice, its not necessarily a dream-thing. I might eventually have the equipment to fly while awake and leave dreaming to other activities. And like our legs, we can't just do what we want with them. They have their own lives and destiny as well. The same may be true for dreams. Here are a few popular reasons given for why we dream: ++ To restore our body and mind. ++ To help with learning and memory. ++ To keep the brain at the right level of awareness/rest during sleep. ++ To allow the mind to handle disturbances in the night without waking up. ++ To keep our sense of self and wholeness through sleep. ++ To allow ourselves some time to explore new and unusual areas of ourselves ++. To resolve conflicts that occur during the day ++ To have fun and be recreational ++ To practice actions for the future. ++ To see the future and experience other dimensions. ++ To encounter the Other. ++ To make new connections and integrate feelings and emotions. ++ To have access to spiritual realms. w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w *** New Dreaming Brain Science w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w Despite all the psychological and experiential evidence to the contrary, REM was still equated with dreaming and seen as its sole initiator as late as 1995. The success of Hobson's Activation-Synthesis theory continued for nearly 20 years. The pontine brain stem structures fired random neural charges into the forebrain and these random firings were seen as the sole cause of dreaming. At least, until the late 1990s. With the rise of PET scans, MRI and other modern brain imaging machines we can now look directly at the dreaming brain and are just beginning to see where it is active the processes it moves through. Further, patients with damage to particular brain structures have been studied and the changes in dreaming researched to the point that a whole new theory of dreaming is emerging. Neurosurgeon Mark Solms noticed some of his patients continued to dream even though they had damage to their pontine brain stem and REM stopped. He checked the literature on pons damage and loss of dreaming and found that there were dozens. Oddly, there was only one case of pons damage where dreaming ceased, and this was the one quoted by Hobson as evidence for the Activation-Synthesis theory. Solms couldn't believe that the Activation-Synthesis theory rested on one case that wasn't very clear and contacted Hobson. But when he reported these cases to Hobson, they were dismissed. Hobson said that there was a NREM as well as a REM pontine brain activation that could account for these dreams. Furthermore, if both the REM *and* NREM brainstem was damaged, then the patient could not be awakened and asked if they could dream. So the theory was untestable. At least directly. But Solms was not convinced and looked in another direction. The Activation-Synthesis hypothesis assumes that the forebrain that is activated by the lower brain stem is completely passive. When the random firings enter it, the forebrain does its best to make sense of them, but not actively. Once the REM stops, the forebrain activity and dreams do as well. But this is simply not the case. Even the most conservative research shows that 5%-10% of NREM dreams are *indistinguishable* from REM dreams. Researcher David Foulkes says its more like 50%, though what he classifies as a dream may just be short pictures and thoughts. Hobson dismissed these NREM dreams initially as dreams that occurred during the REM period and were just remembered afterwards. Awakenings in the NREM state that produced dream reports were simply left over REM dream memories. But since many of the NREM dreams occur at sleep onset before REM occurs, how could they be REM recalled dreams? Hobson finally accepted that there were NREM dreams, but again, said that they were due to NREM pontine brain stem activity. Solms reasoned that if the forebrain was so passive and only generally activated, that partial damage to the forebrain should have little effect on dreaming. That is, to lose dreaming in the Activation-Synthesis theory, the whole forebrain would have to be destroyed. Again, the theory would not be directly testable as anyone with that kind of damage would not be conscious and could not report whether they were dreaming or not. But Solms did find patients that had only *partial* damage to the forebrain, and lost *all* ability to dream. Or at least, to recall dreams. And this damage, these brain lesions, were all in the same place, the parietal/occipital/temporal junction [POT junction] in the forebrain. It is a place on the cortex where they many parts meet and is a very advanced part of the brain. Damage in areas all around it could occur, such as in the motor areas or other pre-frontal areas, and this had no effect on dreaming, just that particular POT junction. Note that all these patients had REM sleep intact, but could not recall a dream even when awakened from REM sleep and asked. (After about a year, most recover the ability to dream.). Solms had about 40 cases himself and found fifty or sixty cases in the literature with the same results. [Note on the occipital area. This is the part of the brain involved with seeing. It has several levels, from the lower part that processes incoming visual information, (V1 and V2) to the higher parts (V3-V5) that seem to be more involved in processing visual information. Damage to higher visual cortex areas seems to produce very specific dream problems, such as loss of color, inability to see faces and seeing dreams as still slides rather than moving dynamically. People who are blind and have deterioration or damage in the lower v1-v2 visual area don't see images in dreams, but do have dreams via other senses, even complex spacial dreams.] The POT junction is quite interesting. This is the area where many different modes of perception come together, seeing, feeling, and spacial sense come together. This heteromodal POT junction is often thought of as being crucial for our ability to maintain imaginal space. Of course, this is not completely damaging to the Activation-Synthesis theory. A modified form could still state that it is this POT junction which is activated by REM and it is still passive and controlled by the pontine brain structure. Dreams and lobotomy Solms had nine patients who lost the ability to dream that had bilateral white matter lesions in the ventral mesial quadrant of the frontal lobes. The white matter is very dense and serves to connect things together. Lesions and damage here are very rare, but something about this area sounded familiar to Solms. What he found was that this was exactly the area intentionally cut in lobotomies. The lobotomy was as procedure developed to help control severe mental conditions. Initially a large part of the brain was severed and arrested much of the distress of the patient, but this had negative side effects. Eventually smaller and smaller areas were targeted, and finally the prefrontal lobotomy that severed just the white mater in the mesial quadrant was settled upon as the smallest area that could be cut and still produce some help for psychotics. One of the side effects was loss of dreaming. Solms found thousands of cases reported and 70% - 90% lost the ability to recall dreams. They have REM sleep, but never recover the ability to recall dreams in REM or NREM. Note that these patients memories are intact as well, so its unlikely that its just an effect of memory loss of the dreams. When awakened from REM, they cannot even recall dreams that might have been in their short term memory. The Dopamine System and Dreams The prefrontal lobotomy procedure fell out of favor as anti-psychotic medications began to come on the market. These drugs impact dopamine fibers that are of the same area. This dopamine system is the misial-cortical misial-limbic dopamine system. Anti-psychotic drugs block dopamine in this system and thus dampen the psychosis. The overall effect is a loss of interest in the active world, loss of motivation, loss of object oriented behavior. These patients can still speak and act when asked to, but need to get their direction and motivation from outside themselves. Thus this dopamine system is a seeking system, often referred to as the curiosity, expectancy, desiring system. It provides us with a motivation system that drives us towards positive interaction with the world. Ernest Hartmann had found something similar when L-dopa, a dopamine like drug, was administered to patients . He found that L-dopa patients had a massive increase in dreams. No effect on REM. Here again was evidence that the REM system and the Dreaming system are completely separated. Another Dream Initiator Some epileptic patients don't have full grand seizures, but rather localized complex-partial epilepsy which produces dreamlike seizures. These patients also tend to have repetitive nightmares. Once the seizure controlled, the nightmares stop. Brain researcher Penfield electrically stimulated this diseased part of the brain in patients and produced similar nightmares. Now these seizures are localized to the limbic system. If they continued down into the pontine brain stem, they could cause general seizures. The interesting thing here is that once the condition is treated, the nightmares go away. Here then is another case of something creating dreams which is completely unrelated to the REM system What in summary can be said about the brain structures and dreams? The dream state seems to be mediated by forebrain. They follow a particular kind of path which begins in the limbic/dopamine system, then curls around the brain up and towards the back visual system and POT junction. The parts of the brain activated seem to be the limbic system, the dopamine system, the septal nuclei and basal forebrain structures, anterior singular gyrus, amygdella , hippocampus, hypothalamus, and the POT junction. Interestingly they do not activate the tip most forward part of the forebrain [where we do math calculations and other discriminatory thinking] and miss the v1 and v2 visual centers in the back, which are the centers used when we are directly looking at objects in the outer world. Psychologically these would mean that dreams are involved with our emotions, our memory, our motivations, our attentional and visual systems, spacial-cognitive mechanisms. Completely unrelated to the REM structures which have to do more with general activation systems. The REM system continues to be one of the activation systems that start the dreaming system going, but one of many. It is likely that as more studies on the system occur, more initiation keys for the dream system will be found. Conclusion: Its true that there is still a huge gap between dream work and dream science. But as shown, this gap can lead to creative inspiration and cooperation as well as antagonism. The most active group working in this area in the last decade has been the Association for the Study of Dreams, which brings together researchers, clinicians and other dream concerned individuals to discuss the differences and promote cross field understanding. I highly recommend the conferences to those interested in dream science, dream psychology, dreams and spirituality or dream anthropology, as well as lay interests in grassroots dreamwork. If you cannot make it to a conference, ASD publishes a quarterly peer reviewed journal and a more friendly newsletter. See below for details or visit the web site at: http://www.adreams.org Or check with your local University Library for the ASD Journal, _Dreaming_. Recommended Readings. The new research being done by Mark Solms is rather difficult to read. Its better if you can catch one of his lectures. Contact the Association for the Study of Dreams for a lecture audio cassette tape from the Santa Cruz 1999 Conference. If you are bold, here are a couple of readings: Solms, M. (1995). New findings on the neurological organization of dreaming: Implications for psychoanalysis. Psychoanalytic Quarterly, 64, 4367. Solms, Mark (1997). The Neuropsychology of Dreams: A clinicoAnatomical Study. Mahwah, NJ: Lawrence Erlbaum Associates. PUB. w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w *** Shouldn't dreams be handled only by qualified therapists? w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w While there are a few who feel this way, the vast majority of dream-concerned professionals (Ullman & Limmer, 1989, Krippner, 1990, Tylor, 1992) believe that with a few simple precautions, we can all enjoy the benefits of dreamwork. Dreamwork (or dream sharing) is the process of recalling, recording, and giving meaning and value to a dream. For some this means looking at the language of the dream in the form of symbols, while for others the dream inspires them to paint, sculpt, write stories, enact plays, and try out new forms of social interaction, both in and out of the dream itself. Note on the word "dreamwork" and "dream sharing". I will be using both "dream work" and "dreamwork" to designate the practice of approaching dreams from a particular perspective or technique. I will use "dream-work" with a hyphen to refer specifically to Freud's ideas on how the unconscious disguises the dream. I use the words "dream sharing" and "dreamsharing" as a more general way to refer to the act of telling and sharing dreams. Clinical vs. Peer Dreamwork & Dream Sharing Clinical dreamwork is done within the context of psychotherapy and clinical & sleep research and has different approaches and goals than peer dreamwork. This may be described generally as in the service of healing, but may include peripheral uses such self-awareness, life enhancement, and diagnostic uses. Peer dreamwork may or may not be concerned with healing. It can be as simple as sharing dreams across the office water-cooler, or as complex as a life-time spiritual journey. The motives may be simply to work the dream into being as humorous an possible, or as complex altering the underlying assumptions of reality that imprison us. Self-help mutual aid programs are made of peers who face a common concern. They provide emotional and other support by sharing their personal experiences and exchanging resources. Self-help programs organize to offer peer support, advocacy and a combination of the two. Peer dream sharing may have moderators, but the basic model is one of equal exchange. Other kinds of peer dream groups are established for the purpose of having fun with dreams and in dreams, for exploring and displaying dream inspired art and writing, and for bettering social communication between individuals and groups. These groups need to spend more time up-front discussing the purpose, goals and procedures to which everyone in the group needs to agree. By far, the peer self-help groups are the most numerous and are often equated with the word "dreamwork". Here are some guidelines developed by the very experienced dreamworker Jeremy Taylor (1983) that will contribute to the safety of a peer self-help approach to dreams: 1. You are always the final authority on what the dream means. Others can offer insight, suggestions and techniques for exploration and expression, but no one knows what the final meaning & value of the dream will be for you, except you. 2. Dreams come in the service of wholeness and health. If you find an interpretation that does not fit this, perhaps you need to change methods of interpretation. Dream interpretations that lead you toward self- criticism, depression or despair are simply wrong and if these conditions persist, you may wish to seek help from others. 3. There is no such thing as a dream with one meaning. If you feel stuck on one meaning or feel another person is pushing one meaning, it is time to reconsider your methods and approach. I would also recommend reading the Association for the Study of Dream's 1997 Ethics Statement In general, a grassroots dreamgroup's rules & codes of ethics need to be checked out up front. Usually you can just ask. Don't let anyone shame you for not knowing the secret rules, because there aren't any. w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w *** How do I recall my dreams? w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w Thought the techniques can get quite elaborate, the basic way to recall dreams is by trying. Anything that supports your intention to recall a dream will help. I personally find that disciplined journal keeping is the best technique because it incorporates so many of the suggested paths including intention, re-direction of waking attention, respect for the dream, and many other skills and issues. Here is an Electric Dreams article by Rick Bouchard that will elaborate some more techniques for you. w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w Twelve Tips for Improving Dream Recall by Rick Bouchard- w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w Bouchard, Rick (1996).Twelve Tips for Improving Dream Recall & A Few Words About Journaling. Electric Dreams 3(1). 1. Develop a relationship with your "unconscious." When you tell your unconscious ("psyche") that you want to hear what it has to say......it speaks! Sometimes, a simple interest in the dream world will stim u late dream recall. 2. Go to bed early. Getting a full night's sleep and having a clear head in the morning will help with dream recall. 3. Before going to sleep, affirm: "Tonight, I will remember a dream..." 4. Have a paper, a pen, and a subtle light by your bed. This minimizes the obstacles you may ex pe ri ence upon waking to record, minimizes the movements you must make, and makes the job easier. A subtle light will not fully wake you. 5. Let yourself wake up in the middle of the night. Drink extra water, the night before, to assure that you will have to get up in the middle of the night, where you can often catch your self dreaming. 6. Set aside quiet time between "waking up" and "getting up." Savor the twilight,...that space one teeters between when they are half awake and half asleep. 7. No alarm clocks. Alarm clocks can decrease recall be cause they allow you no "twilight time." You are suddenly thrust into an awake state. Instead, try going to bed earlier so you wake up and savor that quiet time be fore the alarm does go off. Meanwhile, hope ful ly, memories of the dream images will sur face in your silence. 8. Do not move upon awakening. Dreams are best recalled by lying still and letting the dream images surface. Ask "psyche" to let what ev er you dreamt come to your conscious mind. 9. Record just a key work or an image. If you can't remember the whole dream, write down a fragment, a mood, a feeling. You can cer tain ly discover mean ing in dream snip pets and fragments. 10. Tell your dream to a trusted other or a dream part ner. Saying them out loud can make them feel more real and can bring on an "aha!" (that light that goes on when we realize some thing). As au thor Jeremy Taylor says, this ("aha") is a reliable touch stone of whether or not you are onto an ac cu rate interpretation. You are the only one who can say for sure what a dream means for you. 11. Tape recording dreams can help you get closer to the experience and feelings you had when you actually had the dream. It reflects back to you what you sounded like, and perhaps were feeling, (in the mid dle of the night) as you re cord ed the dream. 12. Experiment with how you remember, record, analyze, and explore your dreams; try drawing, poetry, clay, and so on. Weave them into your day. Dreams can be the source of much inspiration, wisdom, and joy. w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w A Few Words About Journaling w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w 1. Date your entry. This can help you later make con nec tions between your dreams and the events in your life. 2. Title your dreams. This can help in cataloging and, later, in locating dreams. Also, "where" you get the title tends to be from the same creative, inner place that the dream comes from. Pay attention to this! 3. Write the dream in a journal in the present tense. This allows you to reserve the past tense for when it really happens in the dream (e.g., I am walking down the street and suddenly recognize a wom an I once worked with). Writing the dream in the present tense also allows you to experience more closely and acutely the feelings you were actually having when you had the dream. 4. Lastly, at the bottom of the page, make a few notes about what is going on in your life at the time. This can help you later see patterns. 5. Choose a journal that meets your needs; this will make journaling a more pleasurable experience! For example, I find a journal that lies flat, has pages that can be re moved and later reinserted, has pag es that will not al low ink to bleed through to the other side, and, which has a hard back for support is most in line with my needs as a dream journaler. w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w Rick Bouchard, as the director of the Dream Part of Our Journey, attends workshops at the C.G. Jung Center in Brunswick, the C.G. Jung Institute in Boston, the C.G. Jung Foundation in New York City; he is also a truth seeker within Unity Church of Greater Portland in Windham, Maine. According to Bouchard, "My approach is Jungian, feminist, systemic, and homeopathic." He places a strong emphasis on spirituality in his practice. E-mail Rick at: 102455.620@compuserve.com *********** w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w *** How relevant do you feel dream interpretation is in the work of therapy? w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w For long term therapies, dream work contributes a long list of benefits, including wholeness and individuation, cohesiveness of self, the development of intuition, insight, self reflection, heightened associative and analogic and metaphoric skills, the development of the capacity to confront issues with symbolic & abstract solutions, the ability to tolerate and work with the irrational in life, developing a creative source of inspiration, developing emotional awareness and expressive abilities, developing spiritual awareness and inspirational sources, expanding inner dialogue and teaching people how to explore and have fun in a safe and appropriate environment. For shorter term therapies and crisis intervention, dreams can be used to get a larger picture of the issue and provide alternative solutions as well as teach the client or patient new problem solving resources that are owned by the person themselves. They can also be used to cut to bull and get right at the issue. A key to all the above is *who* gets to do the interpreting. If the therapist does too much interpreting, it creates a dependence on the part of the patient. The real key in dreamwork is teaching the other person to find the meaning and value of their own dream. This enables the person to feel empowered in other situations that require the development of meaning and value. w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w *** How do I develop a career in Dreams and Dreaming? w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w First the bad news. There was more money made last weekend by the latest blockbuster movie than for all the dreamworkers since Freud published _The Interpretation of Dream_ a hundred years ago in 1900. Gayle Delaney, dreamworker extra-ordinaire has said that no one yet has gotten rich just doing just dreamwork. And having been on Oprah and Donahue, written tons of books and traveled with her dream show world wide, she should know! Due to the bias of our culture, the mass appeal of dreamwork is just not here yet. Without full time professionals, how does the field evolve? Well, people do other things as well. Here are the most related I am aware of... 1. Psychology. Especially Jungian psychology, which has a heavy dream focus. Most dreamworkers have lots of mental health training and many are psychotherapists. 2. Publishing and Lecturing and Workshops. Books are the main contact source for the dream worker and the more successful dreamworkers are also giving seminars, lectures, workshops, conference presentations and getting as much air time as possible. Most are still neglecting the Web, but some progress is being made. There are some writers who use dreams as rhetorical devices in their books and screenplays. There are a few scholars who write about dreams, but not many. 3. Science and Medicine. Sleep disorder clinics and clinicians are on the rise, though dream specific research is on the decline. The focus here is on problems with sleep and some work can then be done with dreams through the backdoor of nightmares and other dream related sleep issues. 4. Religion. As Ron L. Hubbard once said to the editor of Analog Magazine, "heck, all the money is in religion!" There has yet to be a Church of Dreams, but I suspect we will see them in the 21stCentury. More often, pastors and priests and ministers take up dreamwork as a adjunct to pastoral counseling. Note for instance the success of Jeremy Taylor, who is a Unitarian minister and now has a full workshop and dream tours schedule. However, this came after 20 or more years in the trenches. Non-denominational dreamwork is becoming more popular as self improvement often includes dreamwork an spirituality. One more note: Taylor also pointed out to me at the 1999ASD Conference that Spiritual Dreamwork is protected by the constitution of the United States. This status is not even so high for psychotherapy! 5. Lucid Dreams. This seems to be almost its own category of dreamwork. Stephen Laberge has done the most to make lucid dream technology, science and psychology a life's profession. The topic continues to draw lots of attention. See http://www.lucidity.com 6. Anthropology. Many people in the dream field are anthropologists. They study not only what other cultures have to say about dreams and dreaming, but our own as well. They look at how the dream and dream interpretations function in the culture and what the mean to the individual in this context. w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w *** What are the Educational Needs of a Dreamworker w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w=w Courses specifically. (Well, some of these you might have to get outside of most institutions): 1. Jungian psychology. Get a lot of this. Read all you can on your own. You might want to start with Jung's memoirs, Memories, Dreams and Reflections. But I also like the illustrated_Man and his Symbols_. I don't think there is a richer system of dreamwork on the earth., and most of what is used today in groups and by individuals stems from the work of the Jungians. (IMHO) 2. Other psychologies: Ask for the the basics and history. Freud, Adler, Jung, Maslow, Sullivan, Erikson, even Skinner. But also look into Frederich Perls, Mednard Boss, Bonime, Montegue Ullman, Arnold Mindel, James Hillman. Try to get as close to having a session with them as possible. Obviously this isn't possible for many as they are dead, but move from the generalizations about them to finding out what an hour with them was actually like. If you can afford therapy, try out different kinds of therapy yourself. Very Important to get as close to first hand experience as possible. If you get deeply into psychotherapy, I find the Object Relations therapies quite interesting and a way of bringing forward classical psychotherapy. Kohut and self-psychology forms a bridge between object relations and human potential and wholeness oriented therapies. I highly recommend Raymond J. Corsini's Current Psychotherapies for a quick journey into several types of therapies at the experiencial level.. Fossage and Loew put together a comparison of dream therapies in Dream Interpretation, A comparitive Study second ed 1987. Its a little dry, but interesting. A more exciting new comparison is Anthony Shafton's Dream Reader. Also, Gayle Delaney has a good comparison dream book called New Directions in Dream Interpretation. 3. Anthropology. Much of dreamwork has a cultural component. Exposure to alternative cultures allows for a wider grasp of individual issues and offers a unique way to find a context for dreams. On dreams & anthropology, read Barbara Tedlock's (1987). Dreaming: Anthropological and Psychological Interpretations. Cambridge University Press. and Devereux, George (1969). Reality and Dream: Psychotherapy of a Plains Indian. Garden City, NY: Anchor Books 4. Literature. I feel that getting the sense of what writing and literature is about has helped me with dreams. Interpreting stories is something the fields share in common, and they enhance one another. Dreams are often interpreted using literary criticism's techniques, not only the simple dynamic structures of plot and character, but the more elaborate philosophies of criticism with investigate the psychological and policitical forces in all narratives. In Dreams, See Jones, Richard (1979). The Dream Poet. Cambridge, MA: Schenkman Publishing Company and States, Bert O. (1988). Rhetoric of Dreams. London: Cornell University Press. 5. Religion and Mythology: This could be under anthropology or literature as well. Both religious studies and mythology look at stories that struggle with the creation or understanding of the meaning and value of life. Be sure to read Joseph Campbell's The Masks of God. There are several in the series, all great. I would read Mircea Eliade's The History of Religious Ideas as well, also a kind of mythologically based text. Push through on religious studies to the esoteric/ mystic side of the religion. We hear a lot of horror stories about Islam in the West, but we rarely hear about the fabulous Sufi traditions. Again, be sure to check out Carl Jung on his rendition of Christianity and Western religions. 6. Philosopy: while philosophy has done very little in its investigation of the world of ideas to explore dreams, I find it invaluable in the understanding of dream techniques and where they are coming from. All forms of interpretation are motivated by other ideas and powers. To the degree that we learn to be conscious and aware of these, we won't as often fall prey to being the victim of the idea. Also, being able to deeply question the assumptions and catagories we live by is very similar to a lot of dreamwork which does the same. 7. Science. Understanding the functions of dreaming used to be clearly separated into those who wanted a clear biological answer and those who wanted a psycho-spiritual answer. Now the fields mix and blend and having a good background in biology, physiology, chemistry, ect, can help in sorting out the psychological from the physical. We used to think about schizophrenia, for example, in moral terms. Something was wrong with the person in that they failed to use their will power to come up to snuff and therapy involved getting them back on the right road of consensus reality. Now we know that there are terrible chemical inbalances, many genetically informed. Therapy may still involve helping the person adapt to reality, but it no longer assumes the person is *trying* to be weird. In dreamwork, we may make use of a nightmare to investigate some deep soulful path, but its also important to check out the physiological components and influences. The more science we have, the better we can refer these clients to appropriate care. Graduate Programs I'm not aware of any at this time that offer advanced degrees in Dreaming. The Association for the Study of Dreams offers Continuing Education Units at its conferences. Www.asdreams.org and there are several schools with offer advanced training. There is a movement headed by Jeremy Taylor to have an organizational umbrella for the many schools of dreamwork and suggest standards that these schools might follow and comply with to obtain ASD Certification. Watch the ASD Graduate Studies list for more: http:/www.asdreams.org/subidxedugraduatestudies.htm DREAM SURVEY CUT AND SEND TO RCWILK@DREAMGATE.COM +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ 1999 Dream Site Owners Survey +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ Hi to all ~ Dream~ related web site owners, educators and information providers. Richard Wilkerson here. This is an annual Electric Dreams information exchange and update. It will give you a chance to tell us and the dream community about your site, updates, additions changes and projects you have coming up. Also I want you to check and update your sites for old links that aren't serving the dream community. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Information Exchange: If you have updates and changes to your site, please send those in to Peggy Coats at pcoats@dreamtree.com We will get that information out on the Global Dreaming News and Electric Dreams. Here are three Cyber-Dream resources that have been supporting your projects and others in dreams and dreaming. Please add or update these links: Electric Dreams Community http://www.dreamgate.com/electric-dreams Global Dreaming News http://dreamtree.com/Questions/News/news.html The Association for the Study of Dreams http://www.asdreams.org ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you could take a few minutes to fill out some or all of the material below and give permission for this material to be published online, we could really move forward in getting some attention to your projects. You can check to see what we have for you at this time at two link sites http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/resources/ Select ONLINE and http://www.asdreams.org/subidxedulinks.htm ------------------------------------ Dreaming in Cyberspace 1998 Fall Survey ------------------------------------ [X] Yes, I give my permission for the material in this survey to be published. [ ] No, here is a link to my site, just use this without any summary info. Give Title of site. [ ] Yes, let's do both Link and Summary, permission to publish given. Link URL below: SITE URL/ADDRESS: Please use my logo (URL here) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- All the questions below pertain to ONLINE activity only. This includes the Internet, Usenet, any intranets, BBS, or other computer mediated communication networks. If you have offline programs we would love to hear about them as well, but please send via email to rcwilk@dreamgate.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Unanswered questions will be assumed as "no". Please fill out info on questions as completely as possible so others can access your resources --------------------------------------------- o Give a brief, (a paragraph), history of your *online* dream activity. o Give a brief statement about your future goals on the Internet related to dreams and dreaming. (Online Programs, groups, meetings, irc, web sites, mail lists,,,) o Do you have a distribution list to keep subscribers up on your activities? (include access info) o Do you have an online publication related to dreams and dreaming? (include access info) o Do you have eLists, such as a discussion mail list, listserv or majordomo type e-mail disscussion or conference list? (include access & subscription information, as well as a general description of the list and who you feel the list is most appropriate for) o Do you have a service on a Commercial ISP, such as AOL, MSM, Prodigy or Compuserve? (This may include bulletin boards, information, chat rooms, or uploaded texts, ect) o Do you meet regularly on IRC, ICQ, Powwow, Netmeeting or other chat rooms to discuss dreams? (if open to the public, please give access info, urls. Please indicate whether this is text chat, voice, video or combinations of these) o Do you have a Web based Bulletin Board for threaded discussions? (if open to the public, please give access info, urls, ect) o Do you offer dream education that takes place online? (describe, access, URLs, prices) o Are there politics about dreams and dreaming online that concern you? (free speech, anonymity, children, inappropriateness of dreamwork, ect)? o Do you have a mission statement or ethics policy concerning dreams and dreamwork? o Do you have software available for the public? If so, describe and give prices and access. o Do you do dream related telephone consultation? Please describe and give info and prices. o Are you a member of ASD, The Association for the Study of Dreams? (if not, are you interested?) o Are you interested in participating in a dream conference held entirely in Cyberspace? 1. If so, what do you feel would be a reasonable cost? 2. What kinds of programs would you like to see? o Are you interested in becoming a volunteer for 1. The Electric Dreams Virtual Dream Sharing Community? 2. The ASD online Web Project? (includes interests in art, graphics, hosting online events as well as other activities) o Do you need volunteers for programs of your own? (please include tasks) o Are you interested in joint dream projects with other web sites and online virtual dream related communities? (running a dream group, mutual FAQ files, Global Dream Congress 2000, An online Dream Conference, Dream History site, political actions, ect)? o Describe any other online dream projects not mentioned above? o If you offer offline resources, please include what they are and how they are accessed. If your offline offerings are time limited, please refer to the Global Dreaming News. Peggy pcoats@dreamtree.com or richard at rcwilk@dreamgate.com PLEASE RETURN THIS FORM TO RICHARD WILKERSON AT RCWILK@DREAMGATE.COM Many thanks, Richard +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ The Origins of the Electric Dreams Community: Part I Richard Wilkerson +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ When USENET became popular among the USA University crowd in the late 1980's, the idea of the Regional Bulletin Board was expanded nationally (and in some cases, internationally) and the discussion of dreams could be found in various Usenet Newsgroup topic boards. Usenet was organized like a real bulletin board, where one could post a note and others could read and post replies. Group discussions may them develop over time. Because of the popularity of BBS's, the Usenet bulletin boards were called "Newsgroups". By the 1990's all but the most wild of the Newsgroups were accessible via the Internet, and it was clear that dreams needed their own Newsgroup. "alt.dreams" was formed. According to John Herbert, the newsgroup alt.dreams was originally suggested by Jack Campin as a way to study contemporary culture. He wanted a snapshot of dreams in the late 20th Century much in the same way that _The Third Reich of Dreams_ gives a snapshot of the society in Nazi Germany. But it was soon apparent that the real appeal of alt.dreams was to share dreams and discussions about their significance and meaning. Although alt.dreams provided a global gathering spot and spawned other related newsgroups like alt.dreams.lucid and alt.dreams.castaneda, the un-moderated venue lacked something essential for those used to face-to-face dream sharing. Individuals that did want more formed smaller private e-mail groups away from the alt.dreams newsgroup. Electric Dreams One of these groups distributed a collection of the dreams and comments between the subscribers and then published the comments and replies in a weekly format. When I found the community in the fall of 1994 they had grown to about 60 members and the dreams and comments were shared in a bi-monthly E-zine, (an electronically distributed magazine via E-mail) which they called Electric Dreams. There has been much speculation about how "Electric Dreams" got its name. When I first asked the group, I was told that they decided to take a vote, and that was one of the options. Some people saw it as meaning dreams that were shared electronically, other felt it was a play on words from Philp K. Dick's novel _Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?_ which was made into the famous classic "Bladerunner". Recently, (Fall 1999) Victoria Quinton caught up with one of the original editors, Chris Beattie, and asked her where the name really came from. Chris felt that it came from the Movie, "Electrric Dreams" about a computer that learns to love, and learns to dream about love and being human. Interest in this format grew and Electric Dreams grew from 60 to 500 subscribers in the following year and added news, articles and experimental dream events, but remained primarily focused on dream sharing in cyberspace. Concerns about this free speech forum now include a). the potential abuse of interpretive authority (anyone can comment and pretend they are someone they are not and some feel that *any* comment is abusive), b). lack of support for dreamers who submit dreams (what if a dream interpretation unlocks psychological instability?) and c). context or set & setting confusion (What if someone thinks this is psychotherapy, what if children joined a group with adults? ). Another of the problems faced by the Electric Dreams community was the two week delay in the dream being presented and the return comments. A solution was found when I met John Herbert and participated in his ALL SeniorNet Dream Bulletin Board. John Herbert's groups used a variation of some of the Ullman/Zimmerman techniques, which he had worked out on the WELL and ALL. A dream was selected, the group asked non-interpretive questions, then each person took the dream as their own. During the process, the dreamer could respond or reply as he or she chose. The process was modified for e-mail and the first Electric Dreams Dream Circles were created. A dream was passed around in round-robin style from one e-mail address with questions and replies added by each participant. The ED Dream Circle was great for sharing dreams, but an administrative nightmare. Jay Vinton suggested we use a Mail List style approach and the problems seemed to disappear. In a Mail List approach, all the members send all comments to everyone in the group, even if the comment is directed to just one individual. This process creates a feeling of group identity and cohesion. These new mail list dream groups, the Dream Wheels (No connection with the Ramsay Raymond Dreamwheel), have evolved in several new creative directions. Generally the process has been refined and newer sharing and distribution methods have improved. These groups have expanded beyond the processing of individual and group psychology to include larger social issues, such as international dream sharing during the Kosovo Crisis, the attempt to deal with the media blitz of Princess Diana' tragic death, and other projects that transcend personal and national boundaries. Up and coming for the year 2000 is a project to tie the dreamwheel in with various spiritual communities online that are banding together to offer people a wide variety of paths to meaning and value. If you are interested in joining an Electric Dreams dream group, send a note to the current moderator, Kathy Turner."Kathy Turner" You can also find out more about the groups and see sample sessions by sending an e-mail to scoop@dreamgate.com NOTES: Herbert, J.W.(1991) "Human Science Research Methods in Studying Dreamwork: Qualitative and Quantitative Analysis of Face-to-Face and Computer Dream Work Groups" Unpublished Manuscript, Saybrook Institute, San Francisco, (25 Nov. 1996) Herbert, J. W. (1991). "Notes on the creation of alt.dreams." In "Human Science Research Methods.. (see above) (28 Oct. 1996) Beradt, Charlotte (1966). The Third Reich of Dreams. Translated by Adriane Gottwald. Chicago: Quadrangle Books Richards, Sarah (1996, April 22). "RE: Dream Interpretation: The significance of set and setting." ASD Web Bulletin Board. (25 Nov. 1996) Wilkerson, Richard C.. (1995). "Dream Circles: A Sample Session of Dream Sharing using E-mail Round Robin.". Electric Dreams. (28 Nov. 1996) <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< G L O B A L D R E A M I N G N E W S November 1999 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< If you have news you'd like to share, contact Peggy Coats, pcoats@dreamtree.com. Visit Global Dreaming News online at http://www.dreamtree.com/ This Month's Features: NEWS - Dream Inspired Music and Art for The New Millennium - Dream Group Live on the Radio! - Dreamscaping - a New Anthology - Sleep and Hypnosis - Winter Shamanic Dream Circle in California - Dream Circles Workshop with Heather Valencia - The Opposites II Concert - Dream Time Live - Chat with Kelly Bulkeley - College of Dreams now online RESEARCH & REQUESTS - An Invitation to Join the Lucid Dream Exchange WEBSITE & ONLINE UPDATES - A Visit to Dream Flights DREAM CALENDAR for February-March 1999 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< N E W S <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< Dream Inspired Music and Art for The New Millennium Created by Jana Hutcheson, THE OPPOSITES-A JOURNEY OF THE SOUL is available in a Gift Package of Book And CD (or tape) for $35.00. To Order, Phone 415-647-7517 or Send check or money order to Jana Hutcheson, P.O. Box 31857 San Francisco, CA 94131 http://www.jps.net/opposite Dream Group Live on the Radio! Tune into "Dreams, Another Way of Knowing", on Wednesday night, November 3rd, to hear a live, unrehearsed dream group in progress. From 7:00 to 9:00 PM PDT this on-air dream group can be picked up on the net by typing www.kazu.org. With Real-audio capabilties, you will hear Kathleen Sullivan facilitating this group of dreamers to unlock the messages of their dreams. Hopefully, you will acquire ideas for working with your own dreams. If you live in the Monterey Bay, CA listening area you can tune-in at 90.3 FM any Wednesday night. You are invited to call 831-375-3082 to have on-air contact with Kathleen and associates. Dreamscaping: New Techniques for Understanding Yourself and Others Check out this new book, an anthology of dream wisdom on the cutting edge of dreams and dreaming, featuring Oliver Sacks - Marie-Louise von Franz - Jeremy Taylor - Robert L. Van de Castle - Gayle Delaney - Richard Wilkerson - Robert Bosnak - Eugene Gendlin - Kelly Bulkeley - Montague Ullman - Stanley Krippner - Mark Waldman - Fraser Boa and many, many others! BACK COVER FOR DREAMSCAPING "We are such stuff as dreams are made of . . ." Since the time of Shakespeare, dreams have fascinated women and men, shaping the lives of professionals and nonprofessionals alike. But in the last few years, dreams have re-emerged as a potent grassroots force. Throughout this country and abroad, thousands of individual groups have formed to creatively experiment with their dreams: in therapeutic encounters, in cyberspace, in dream appreciation seminars, and in the literary and visual arts. Dreamscaping brings together world-renowned authorities on dreams, providing readers with innovative methods for working with themselves, their partners, and groups. In this anthology, you will learn how to better recall your dreams, decipher their hidden meanings, create imaginative dialogues with dream characters, construct dream diaries, understand recurring dreams and nightmares, and apply dream messages to your life. You will also learn how dreams can be used to process the final moments of life. Dreamscaping also explores the most recent developments in research and theory, showing how dreams can be used to diagnose brain disorders, explore the stages of death, and even provide scientific evidence of the reality of telepathy and other psychic phenomena. From chaos theory to the Internet, from spiritual awakenings to psychological insight, Dreamscaping reflects a changing landscape that is beginning to reshape social consciousness throughout the world. You can get a copy of Dreamscaping directly from Amazon.com http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0737302682/associaforthestu%3e Sleep and Hypnosis Sleep and Hypnosis is a multidisciplinary journal, published quarterly by Kure cletisim Grubu A.S., Siracevizler Cad. 43/3 80260 Istanbul, Turkey. The Journal covers the whole range of sleep, dreaming, and hypnosis research interests. Clinical, experimental, laboratory, psychological, epidemiological, and the normative studies relevant to sleep, dreaming, and hypnosis are welcomed for consideration. Contributors may be from many disciplines relevant to these fields. All papers are undergo peer review by three or more referees. The Journal contains the sections Editorials, Original Articles, Review Articles, Case Reports, Letters to the Editor, and Book Reviews. Announcements and bibliography of recent literature in these areas may be published. Months of issue are January/March, April/June, July/September, and October/December. Editorial correspondence to Mehmed Yucel Agargün, M.D., Yüzüncü Yđl University School of Medicine Department of Psychiatry 65300 Van, Turkey. Tel: +90 432 216 47 06; Fax: + 90 432 216 75 19; e-mail: mehmetyucel@turk.net. In the first issue: EDITORIAL A new multidisciplinary journal: Sleep and Hypnosis Mehmed Yücel A"argün SLEEP AND SLEEP DISORDERS Role of the preoptic area in the interrelationship between thermoregulatory and sleep regulatory mechanisms Velayudhan Mohan Kumar Effects of microinjections of triazolam into medial preoptic area on sleep and brain temperature in rats Thythy T. Pham, Wallace B. Mendelson Adrenergic and Cholinergic modulation of spontaneous and brain stem reticular formation stimulation induced desynchronization of the cortical EEG in freely moving behaving cats Stephen Thankachan, Fakhrul Islam, Birendra N. Mallick Increasing the temporal resolution and stage specifity by Visual Adaptive Scoring (VAS): a preliminary description Sari-Leena Himanen, Antti Saastamonien, Joel Hasan Preliminary encounters of UNIMAS sleep laboratuary Syed Hassan Almashoor, Abu Bakar, Rojey Berino REM sleep latency in major depressed patients predicts mood improvement after transdermal nicotine administration Rafael J. Salin-Pascual, Lourdes Galicia-Polo DREAMS AND DREAMING Development and validation of a dream content questionnaire for school age children Oliviero Bruni, Floriana Lo Reto, Annamaria Recine, Salvatore Ottaviano and Vincenzo Guidetti Dream recall in patients with primary alcoholism after acute withdrawal Michael Schredl HYPNOSIS AND HYPNOTHERAPY Ericksonian hypnosis: a review of the emprical data William J. Matthews, James Conti, Lorrie Starr Posthypnotic Suggestion: Attention, Awareness, and Automaticity Amanda J. Barnier Hypnotic Relaxation and Insomnia: a Simple Solution? Harry E. Stanton In the second issue: EDITORIAL Dream Recall: Research, Clinical implications and future directions M. Schredl SLEEP AND SLEEP DISORDERS Implicit Memory and REM Sleep: A Pilot Study Cecile Colin, Jose Morais, and Myriam Kerkhofs Prevalence of Naps in the General Population Maurice M. Ohayon and Jurgen Zulley Vitamine B12 Promotes Sleep and Modulates the Circadian Rhythm of Sleep and Brain Temperature in Rats Shojiro Inoue and Kazuki Honda DREAMS AND DREAMING Dissociated Neurocognitive Processes in Dreaming Sleep J. Antrobus and Deidre Conroy An Enriched Conception of Dream Metaphor D. Kuiken HYPNOSIS AND HYPNOTHERAPY Event-related Potential Correlates of Suggested Hypnotic Amnesia Stephen LaBerge and Philip G. Zimbardo The Virtues of Our Fault: A Key Concept of Ericksonian Therapy Jeffrey K. Zeig You can also visit the web page: www.kure.com.tr Subscription rates for Volume 1, 1999: Personal subscription $30.00, outside Turkey $ 45.00, Institutional $75.00, outside Turkey $90.00. Single copies of the Journal or supplements are $15.50 (including postage and handling); prepayment is requested. WINTER SHAMANIC DREAM CIRCLE "We dream to awaken to life." - Strephon Kaplan-Williams "Dreams are a way to Spirit." - Ramiro, Achuar shaman Interested in exploring your dreams as a healing and spiritual path? Then come join us in a unique, powerful Winter Dreaming Circle. Meets one Saturday per month and includes: * a dreamwork workshop, teaching you specific tools; * shamanic journeying to meet your spirit guides; * live shamanic drumming; * a dream sharing circle, in the indigenous tradition; and * a potluck dinner to build community. All-Night Dream Circle In addition, some Dreaming Circles will also feature an All-Night Dream Circle in which participants will enjoy the benefits of group dreaming and a shamanic dreaming circle Sunday morning to start the day, as indigenous peoples do worldwide. Dates: Oct. 16, Nov. 20, Dec. 11, Jan 15, Feb. 17, Mar. 24 Location: Emeryville, CA Cost: $30-60 sliding scale per circle. No one turned away for lack of funds. Please mark your calendar now. Call to RSVP and hold a spot. Facilitated by Taylor Kingsley, CTC, dream researcher and author of the upcoming book, Dreamjourneys. Taylor is a shamanic healer and teaches meditation at Kaiser Permanente. (510) 653-7293 Dream Circle Workshop with Heather Valencia BERKSHIRES, MASSACHUSETTS, SATURDAY, OCTOBER 30th NEW YORK CITY, SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 6th Heather Valencia, author of "Queen of Dreams: The Story of a Yaqui Dreaming Woman" and an exceptional artist, dreamwalker and teacher, will be leading an all-day dream circle workshop in the ancient tradition of the Yaqui dreamers. If you are interested in attending or would like further information, please email Megan at chalalit@earthlink.net or telephone at 718-768-8703. You can also visit her website at http://www.queenofdreams.com The Opposites II Concert www.jps.net/opposite You are invited to A concert of the Opposites II on Saturday, November 27, 1999 at 9p.m. at BAOBAB, Senegalese Cuisine, 3388 19th Street, San Francisco, California. 415-643-3558. Featuring Jana Hutcheson, singing; Ted Davis, lead guitar; Dianne Heitman, keyboard. ASD Dream Time Live November 3, 1999 at 7:00 PM PST Kelly Bulkeley on Visions of the Night, Dreams Religion and Psychology The Association for the Study of Dreams is offering a series of monthly online chats with writers, researchers, dreamworkers and other guests who study and work with dreams. This exciting opportunity to speak directly with these individuals takes place via the ASD Web Chat Room. [See below for instructions.] Participants can ask Kelly Bulkeley questions in real time. Additional information about the topic will be made available before and after the chat time Be sure to come a few minutes early to sign on to the chat room: 1. How to get there: Use your favorite browser and type in the URL http://www.asdreams.org/subidxdiscussionschat.htm or http://beseen2.looksmart.com/chat/rooms/d/13496/ 2. How to sign on: Easy! Click on the "Kelly Bulkeley Discussion" link on the page and follow the instructions. (see above for more hints) Mark you calendar today! The Association for the Study of Dreams http://www.asdreams.org For updates, send an email to chat@asdreams.org College of Dreams http://www.collegeofdreams.com.au College of Dreams is a school without walls open to all people of all ages who are interested in dreams and dreamwork. It aims to share information, encourage questions and to contribute to the vast dreaming knowledge pool. What's in a name ? The sites' name "College of Dreams" was chosen as a way of reflecting the directors view that dreams themselves are a much higher place of learning than the traditional day to day learning establishments and methods that we usually pursue. It was chosen as a name which embodies its mission to invite people to learn about dreams and dreamwork. College of Dreams (COD) primary philosophy is respect for the inner wisdom and needs of individuals. While the diversity of dream practices and dream beliefs is recognised and reflected in its information and services, COD also believes that our night time and sleeping visions provide people with unique opportunities for greater understanding and unity with each other. Research! Committment to research and developing and providing a forum for dreamwork knowledge is also of central importance to COD. Volunteers are sought to participate in two major research projects - The Australia Dreaming Project and the " Dreams and SETI project." With all eyes on Australia for the olympics next year - The Australia Dreaming Project is exploring the prevelance of Dreams of Australian Flora and Fauna or Aboriginal artefacts and symbolism, in non indiginous populations both within and outside of Australia. In the "Dreams and SETI project" the impact of dreams of extra terrestrial intelligence on peoples waking philosophies is being examined. Controversial? College of Dreams is somewhat unique in that it provides both a professional approach and also a more popularist and generalist approach through providing a dream interpretation service. COD is interested in accessability, and remains committed to a diverse and eclectic approach to dreamwork. For instance even if people want to explore dreams for simply entertainment purposes than this should be seen as no less valid than those exploring them for scientific or other pursuits. However COD Practitioners have a policy of always making it clear that any interpretations are as a GUIDE only and limited by the practitioners own understandings They also endeavour as part of the interpretation to give tools and techniques to the person so that they can gain greater awareness and independence. Through this people asking for what seems a simple dream interpretation are being gently invited to expand their awareness and develop their own trust and autonomy to ultimately explore their own meanings more. Information The website provides free information on dreams and health, symbolism, dreams and creativity, as well as nightmares. In addition CODS own audio tapes such as Dream to Heal, Transforming Nightmares & Recurrent Dreams and Understanding Dream Symbolism are able to be purchased on line. There have been some teething problems with submitting forms but it is hoped that secure forms can be provided for this purpose shortly. Also planned for early next year are dream groups on line. Professional Support and development After numerous discussions with her colleagues , the director, Carolyn, saw a real need to provide counsellors, health workers or others interested in working with peoples dreams, some basic training and support specifically in dreamwork. As well as specific groups and workshops, COD also aims to run a Diploma in Dreamwork course by the beginning of 2001. - About the Director Carolyn Groth is based in Sydney Australia and is a qualified Social Worker and Clinical Hypnotherapist. In addition she is a freelance documentary producer and writer. (Producer of "Sacred Dream " on Encounter for - ABC Radio National as well as the award winning "The Buddhism of Backpacking" also on ABC Radio National.) She most recently completed a Diploma of Dreamwork Analysis through the British School of Yoga and is a Member of the Association for the Study of Dreams. http://www.ASDreams.org. Carolyn can be contacted at carolyn@collegeofdreams.com.au <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< R E S E A R C H & R E Q U E S T S <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< An Invitation to Join THE LUCID DREAM EXCHANGE Are you interested in lucid dreaming? (A lucid dream is a dream in which you know you are dreaming, while you are dreaming.) Would you like to share your lucid experiences and read about those of others? If so, then *The Lucid Dream Exchange* is for you! We are a group of lucid dreamers who enjoy sharing our lucid dreams with others and we welcome your input! How it works: Readers send their lucid dreams via email to lucy@turbotek.net or via snail mail to Robert Waggoner at PO Box 11, Ames, IA 50010. The dreams are compiled and copies are then sent out to subscribers. You do not have to be a lucid dreamer to receive *The Lucid Dream Exchange* (LDE), and you do not have to send any dreams if you don't want to. Also, if you want to send dreams, but wish to remain anonymous, you may do so, or use a pseudonym. Sometimes there is a theme to each issue, for instance, lucid flying dreams may be the current topic, but always a variety of lucid dreams are welcome. Remember, it must be a lucid dream (or Out-of-Body Experience) and you should indicate at what point you became lucid and what triggered your lucidity. Lucid dream related poetry and articles are welcome too, as well as suggestions for experiments. The present topic is simply "any of your interesting lucid dreams of the past year." (In other words, whatever lucid dreams [or Out-of-Body Experiences] you'd like to contribute.) For now, *The Lucid Dream Exchange* is operating on a donation basis. Monetary contributions as well as postage stamps are encouraged for assistance with printing and mailing costs. Submission deadline is November 15, 1999, and the mailing date for LDE is December 1, 1999. Please join us, as we explore the fascinating worlds of lucid dreams and expand our awareness of consciousness. Sweet dreams, Lucy Gillis (lucy@turbotek.net) <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< W E B S I T E & O N L I N E U P D A T E S <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< Do you know of interesting new websites you'd like to share with others? Or do you have updates to existing pages? Help spread the word by using the Electric Dreams DREAM-LINK page www.dreamgate.com/dream/resources/online97.htm. This is really a public projects board and requires that everyone keep up his or her own link URLs and information. Make a point to send changes to the links page to us. A Visit to DREAM FLIGHTS, the Flying Dream Web Site You can explore the world of flying in your sleep at the new web site, *Dream Flights.* Just posted is the first FAQ (frequently asked questions) on flying dreams and more facts besides. In progress is a web page on the meanings of flying dreams. At *Dream Flights,* you'll already find examples of mutual and lucid flying dreams and the beginning of a web page on the astral aspects of dream flight. Want to know how to fly? Check out the page on the incubation of flying dreams. The site is filled with dream art and creativity, and plenty of links to other general, lucid, paranormal and flying dream sites. There is no longer a Fly-By-Night Club web site, although most of the old FBNC information is now posted at *Dream Flights.* Please note that this is a brand new URL: http://members.aol.com/caseyflyer/flying/dreams.html <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< D R E A M C A L E N D A R November 1999 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< Nov 3, Monterey Bay Area, CA Dream Group Live on the Radio, 7-9 pm, KAZU, 90.3 FM. You are invited to call 831-375-3082 to have on-air contact with Kathleen Sullivan during the show. Nov 5-7 - Houston, TX Workshop with Jeremy Taylor sponsored by Jung Society of Houston. Contact: Amber at 713.524.8253 Nov 6 in New York City, NY Dream Circle Workshop with Heather Valencia, in the ancient tradition of the Yaqui dreamers. If you are interested in attending or would like further information, please email Megan at chalalit@earthlink.net or telephone at 718-768-8703. You can also visit her website at http://www.queenofdreams.com Nov 12-14 - Garden Grove, CA Workshop with Jeremy Taylor. Contact Judy at JATOM@AOL.com or call Kathy Taylor at 415.454.2793 Nov 19-21 - Lexington, KY Workshop with Jeremy Taylor. Contact Paula at 606.226.0130 or visit the website at www.jeremytaylor.com. Nov 13 in Saratoga NY area "Building a Dream Community" with "Conscious Dreaming" author Robert Moss. Contact Stillpoint (518) 587-4967 email robert@mossdreams.com Nov 20-21 in Cincinnati OH "Making Death Your Ally: Shamanic Approaches to Death and Dying" with Robert Moss. Contact Judy (513) 271-9349, email hefngafr@aol.com Nov 27 in San Francisco, CA The Opposites II Concert, dream inspired music, 9 pm. at BAOBAB, Senegalese Cuisine, 3388 19th Street, San Francisco, California. 415-643-3558. ?? ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ** DREAMS ** DREAMS ** DREAMS ** DREAMS ** DREAMS ** DREAMS ** ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ dream-flow.v001.n144 through dream-flow.v001.n178 Hello and welcome to the DREAM SECTION of Electric Dreams. This section is edited by the DreamEditor, a software creation of Harry Bosma, author of the Dream interpretation and journaling software Alchera (homepage: http://mythwell.com) The Electric Dreams DREAM SECTION includes dreams and comments from the DREAM FLOW, a project to circulate dreams in cyberspace. Many mail lists participate, including dream-flow@lists.best.com DreamingWorld@onelist.com dreamsandvisions@onelist.com dreamz@onelist.com dreamstream@topical.com DreamsRus@onelist.com The Dream Sack http//www.deeplistening.org/ione If you would like to send in single dreams for the flow, you can leave them at http//www.dreamgate.com/dream/temple If you have a mail list or would like to contribute dreams and comments on a regular basis, you can subscribe to the dream-flow by sending an E-mail to TOdream-flow-request@lists.best.com In the body of the E-mail put only subscribe your-email please substitute your real email address with "your-email" You may get a note back to verify the subscription. Simply hit the return or reply key, change REJECT to ACCEPT in the subject field and send the note back. -------------- BEGIN dream-flow.v001.n160 -------------- 001 - JonDearc - Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n154 002 - Heratheta - Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n157, and 159 --------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n160.1 --------------- From: JonDearc Subject: Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n154 Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 21:19:57 EDT In a message dated 9/15/99 20:22:26 PM Mountain Daylight Time, dream-flow-errors@lists.best.com writes: > MESSAGE dream-flow.v001.n154.1 -------------- I wonder if this is so much about HIM. Maybe it is more about you. Dream Title Unfaithful fiancee. By Lady4life Date of Dream september 10, 3 or 4am Dream recently, I had a dream that took place at a nearby park that I used to play at as a child. The park looked much different it was cleaned up and looked nice again.>> What do you recall about yourself at that time in your young life? Are there things hanging on in you now, that need to be cleaned up? Do you need to revisit this time, and bring yourself up to date? or is it something you need to let go? << A group of friends of mine were chatting at the park including my fiancee.>> Do you recognize them as friends of yours now? What can you think of that would connect them to your time in the park? Is there some 'childish' undercurrent in all this? Any 'park' is rather temporary. << For some unknown reason I had to leave to go home and I told everyone that I would return in a short while.>> Was the 'home' you went to the home of your childhood, or your present home? << Upon my return, I noticed my fiancee was talking to an oriental girl, about my age, who oddly enough had the same first name as mine. >> do you know any Orientals? What does the term mean to you? Is it something unknown; foreign? I thought nothing of it because he is free to talk to whoever he pleases. >> This is a very adult attitude. It does not fit into the park theme, does it? <<... She then asked me if I thought he was really single, because he was too nice of a guy to be available. I was shocked when she asked me this because I knew we were engaged and obviously she didn't. I asked her if he had said he was single. She said "yes, and I think he was flirting with me." >> Suppose the "Oriental" is a part of yourself that you are not too much in touch with. Do you allow yourself to suspect that he, or even you, might not prefer to be single? << I said, "single, is that what you are? Is that what you want to be? Is that what you tell girls you are?" he didn't say anything, or even express any emotions.>> Actually, he IS single, isn't he? And so are you. You have made certain commitments, but they have not been consecrated nor consummated. Does it seem strange that you would become so furious, at the report of a stranger? After all, you did not know WHAT he did, and you gave him no chance to respond. If you had approached him in real life like that, how would he have behaved? Really, is flirting that bad? <> What would he have done at this point, in real life? (If you think about this, you may see that this Dream is not about him! It may be your projection.) << a friend of mine who is a couple of years younger than me. >> Do you suppose your own masculine side is underdeveloped? "young?" << I started packing Vance's things into boxes. >> This is very telling. HE did not show up and claim he wanted to leave! YOU are packing him up! << Vance and the oriental girl were at, and to my surprise talking and laughing and basically flirting. I told Vance that if he didn't get his things out of my house that !>> Who is it you want to get rid of? Is a part of yourself uncomfortable, and looking for any excuse to detach? Comments by Dreamer when I woke up I was still in a horrible state of mind, I didn't know if what I drempt was real or not. it felt so real that I couldn't tell dream from reality. I can't even express how real it felt.>> This is very important. When you think about it, would you (after the shock wears off) feel relieved to be alone, with the opportunity to start over? Perhaps by learning more about who YOU are, and what you really want? I can only comment according to my own experiences. Take what is worth keeping, and blow the rest away. Blessings. Joan Permission to Comment yes_share_comments Permission Comments Please, if there is anyone who can make sence and or any interpretations, it would be appreciated greatly. This has my mind so messed up. Thank you. --------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n160.2 --------------- From: Heratheta Subject: Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n157, and 159 Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 00:10:03 EDT frogbark drm-peace had alin to the right of the middle of the farm if you had avoided becoming "tall" chain drm- peace had lain to the right of the fence if you had avoided becoming "just' #159 no title drm-peace had lain to the right of the warehouse if you had avoided "painting" helpless dream-peace had lain to the right of the house if you had avoided becoming "kept" --------------- END dream-flow.v001.n160 --------------- -------------- BEGIN dream-flow.v001.n161 -------------- 002 - Anonymous - Earth Day Connections 003 - Anonymous - grocery store --------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n161.2 --------------- From: Anonymous Subject: Earth Day Connections Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 10:26:23 -0700 Earth Day Connections: dreambat Sept 24, 1999 I am walking down a busy street. Its not a main street, but everyone is going to work. I pass an old supervisor and they sadistically smile at me. I think about how glad I am I don't work for that organization anymore and wonder what they would think now about having wasted my talents and resources. I go to a two or three story garage. Its also a school and car repair and research and other things kind-of-place. I talk with people at a kind of meeting-yet-party and eventually they leave. I used to work here as well and need to access the computers. I try for sometime to bring up my account on one computer but have to go into another part of the building to turn on another computer before they can connect. I go and find the room, its like a typical lab room in a research facility, though also like a school and a warehouse or car repair office. That is, messy, full of papers, not very clean. I turn this computer on and then go upstairs to another computer I need connected. I see someone working in the evening light, a guy at a table full of machines he is working on, like old radios, computer equipment, and other technologies. I turn the computer on and connect with the systems operator who is on a computer in some other part of the building. I tell them I need to have access to my account and need these various computers networked. We fiddle for awhile and he asks me what room the other computer I needed connection to was in. I tell him. He asks me if I realize what day it is? "No," I say "What day is it?" He says its Earth Day. I look through a long window at a building across the way, and notice again the late evening sun. I also notice how quite it is and think that everyone must be off for Earth Day. I worry that they systems operator will now say that nothing can be done because everyone is off. But instead he says "Since its so quiet, I guess I can just come down look at the computer myself." I tell him I will meet him in the room and head off. dreambat --------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n161.3 --------------- From: Anonymous Subject: grocery store Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 10:30:38 -0700 Dream Title grocery store by Nellie Date of Dream Septemer 2 1999--night Dream I lived in a grocery storw with my boyfriend and his family and all of a suddn i got pregnant. I went into labor and my boyfriends mom had to so a c-section on me but she didi it with her real life favorite butcher knife. She cut a circle into my stomach and pulled the skin out and then pulled the baby out and put the piece of skin back in and put a stitch in the corner of my stomach. It was really fun and i had a great time while she did it. My baby was extremely ugly. It had huge monster eyebrows that connected and two differsnt sized and colored eyes and really fat ugly lips. And everyone thought it was beautiful. I went home and showed my boyfriend the ugly baby and my really cool stitches and he said cool. Comments by Dreamer It was weird Permission to Comment yes_share_comments --------------- END dream-flow.v001.n161 --------------- -------------- BEGIN dream-flow.v001.n162 -------------- 001 - Heratheta - Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n161 --------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n162.1 --------------- From: Heratheta Subject: Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n161 Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 09:04:23 EDT earth day drm-peace had lain to the right of the street if you had avoided becoming "busy". grocery drm-peace had lain to the right of the store if you had avoided becoming "all". more at www.dreamgate.com./dream/dubetz/ --------------- END dream-flow.v001.n162 --------------- -------------- BEGIN dream-flow.v001.n164 -------------- 001 - Anonymous - Lonely--Deiria quit --------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n164.1 --------------- From: Anonymous Subject: Lonely--Deiria quit Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 19:01:01 -0700 On Monday, September 27, 1999 at 18:25:38, the following data was submitted Dream Title Lonely--Deiria quit Date of Dream 08/06/99 ? Dream ok, for starters, i'm only 19 so this is going to be a future dream. i don't have a boy friend. i'm going to my wedding. i know it's my wedding day. we get in a black car(like the one the royals ride in) and we are on the way to my favorite church. it's stone like a castle. the bells are ringing none stop. i'm so happy. i'm wereing my wedding dress already. the guests are already there as i walk in the front door. the groom is there too. but i can't see his face. it's blurry, or i see it it but i don't. he's tall and has dark hair. i walk down the aisle. it's dark and woody in side. smells like stone and flowers. i get top the end, i'm bursting with joy. the preacher starts, and then the doors open. stephen the guy that works for my parents at their buisness, walks in, leaving the doors wide open. i turn around and see him. i'm not happy anymore. i'm sad. confused. i don't know why. i turn and look at the groom again, he's smiling down at me. i smile back. the preacher goes on. he gets to the part where he asks if my husband-to-be if he does. he says yes. all of the sudden steve gets up and leaves. i watch him go. my turn. my god i can't do it. i look at him(the groom) smile, and run out the still open doors. i look around for steve. i can't see him, i run toward his house( which happens to be near the church) i'm just running, i need to find him. my dress is pulling at me. i tear off my gloves. kick off my shoes. i see his house. i run faster. but i stop short. he's on the portch, with amy, a girl who also works for us. i'm sad. depressed. they go inside. i look out at the pond.(there is a small in-town lake outside their house) i walk toward it slowly. suddenly a man comes up behind me and drags me out to the middle. i'm underwater, but i can still breathe. i look toward the suface. my skirt gets in my way. i'm crying. i wake up. Comments by Dreamer i'm not exactly sure what it means. i don't see myself in love with steve. Permission to Comment yes_share_comments --------------- END dream-flow.v001.n164 --------------- -------------- BEGIN dream-flow.v001.n165 -------------- 001 - Anonymous - Driving with Mom, Jalen Webber --------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n165.1 --------------- From: Anonymous Subject: Driving with Mom, Jalen Webber Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 14:42:31 -0700 Dream Title Driving with Mom, Jalen Webber Date of Dream 9/20/99 Dream I am driving down a long, dark winding road. My mother is along in the passenger seat. I dont know our exact destination. But we are driving for a long time. There comes a point in our journey where we have to take a turn. I read the directions and say to take a left. My mother doesnt agree, but i take a left turn anyway. We keep driving, and come to a bridge. I start driving over the bridge and my mother tells me to pull over and look at the map. I pull the car over to the side, and get out of the car to look at the map. My mother then gets into the drivers seat and tells me to get in. She then proceeds to take a wide right turn. She then drives over the gurad rail of the bridge. We are only hanging by the left rear tire of the car. I am scared and dont know what to do. I call out my mothers name several times, and then i wake up. Comments by Dreamer Its weird, i dont know what to think. Permission to Comment yes_share_comments Permission Comments Help me, I wanna know what other people think --------------- END dream-flow.v001.n165 --------------- -------------- BEGIN dream-flow.v001.n166 -------------- 001 - Anonymous - Good Water/Bad Water 002 - Anonymous - auntiebrina 003 - Heratheta - Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n163,164,165 --------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n166.1 --------------- From: Anonymous Subject: Good Water/Bad Water Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 20:04:13 -0700 Dream Title Good Water/Bad Water Spiral7 Date of Dream 09/28/99 1-3:00 a.m. Dream my dream began in a tropical setting. swimming in beautiful warm clear water with a white sand bottom. i was swimming nude with another person who was faceless. this dream was one of the most sensuous dreams i have ever had. we were swimming intertwined when all of the sudden the person disappeared and i was suddenly fully clothed with heavy boots and heavy jeans on. the water was no longer the ocean and turned suddenly into a dark and murky lake with a deep muddy bottom that was making me sink. there were old rusted out junk objects in the lake, cars and washers and dryers. i had to trudge to the dock and very slowly pull my self up onto the dock. once off the dock, in order to get to land, i had to crawl through a very long twisty and curvy tunnel that was very small. throughout the course of the tunnel i had to open all kinds of chutes that were stuck and it took me several times of trying to open them per chute. i finally saw sunlight and was so relieved to see the sunlight and be out of the tunnell. this was the end of the dream. Comments by Dreamer due to a long term verbally abusive relationship, i have great fear of one on one relationships, dating, etc. i have recently begun extensive therapy to be able to let bad memories go and start trusting and dating again. i'm a little apprehensive about the order of the dream. it seems to me that i should have had the bad part first, and the good part last. maybe i'm looking at this in the wrong context. Permission to Comment yes_share_comments Permission Comments yes, i would love to have any interpretations on my dream. --------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n166.2 --------------- From: Anonymous Subject: auntiebrina Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 12:54:22 -0700 Dream Title auntiebrina Date of Dream 9/29 5-6am Dream On a cement walk way, about 2 stories up, between two buildings with my neighbor. We were lying down, as if taking a nap. One building was a Color Tile shop (don't know what the other one was). A gal kept coming out with an orange tile to compare the color to the other orange tiles on the side of her building - as if trying to match it up. My neighbor and I were just lying there watching when suddenly I sat up and told her I had to go. I sat up and ran to the stairway - which just suddenly appeared. Then a big flat-bed truck loaded with antiques and other miscellaneous furniture was in front of our homes. (We just suddenly were there - but the houses were different than where we live.) We divided up the items and I went into my house where my first husband (a real jerk) appeared. Then I was at an airport interviewing baggage handlers, none of whom could speak English! They were all Japanese. I finally got ahold of one guy who could get it across to me that he was very happy to be here and have a good job. Then I was in a large parking lot full of mud looking for my car. There were acres and acres of cars and weeds and mud. I was slipping down a hill toward where I thought I was parked. I stood up and looked back. Suddenly large heads (of people I don't know) were popping out of the ground telling me that my car was gone! I wouldn't ever find it. At this point I woke up very frightened. Comments by Dreamer This is too strange! Permission to Comment yes_share_comments --------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n166.3 --------------- From: Heratheta Subject: Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n163,164,165 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 20:51:59 EDT #163 agent drm-peace had lain to the right of the mall if you had avoided "making yourself or others feel vivid" #164 lonely drm- peace had lain to the right of the car if you had avoided becoming "like" #165 driving drm-peace had lain to the right of the road if you avoided becoming 'long" more at www.dreamgate.com./dream/dubetz/ --------------- END dream-flow.v001.n166 --------------- -------------- BEGIN dream-flow.v001.n167 -------------- 001 - Anonymous - Can Never Go Home Again 002 - Anonymous - deadly disease 003 - Heratheta - Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n166 004 - Dream Title Good Water/Bad Water > Spiral7 > Date of Dream 09/28/99 > 1-3:00 a.m. > Dream my dream began in a tropical setting. swimming in beautiful > warm clear water with a white sand bottom. i was swimming nude > with another person who was faceless. this dream was one of the > most sensuous dreams i have ever had. we were swimming intertwined > when all of the sudden the person disappeared and i was suddenly > fully clothed with heavy boots and heavy jeans on. the water was > no longer the ocean and turned suddenly into a dark and murky lake > with a deep muddy bottom that was making me sink. there were old > rusted out junk objects in the lake, cars and washers and dryers. > i had to trudge to the dock and very slowly pull my self up onto > the dock. once off the dock, in order to get to land, i had to > crawl through a very long twisty and curvy tunnel that was very > small. throughout the course of the tunnel i had to open all kinds > of chutes that were stuck and it took me several times of trying to > open them per chute. i finally saw sunlight and w! ! as so > relieved to see the sunlight and be out of the tunnell. this was > the end of the dream. Comments by Dreamer due to a long term > verbally abusive relationship, i have great fear of one on one > relationships, dating, etc. i have recently begun extensive > therapy to be able to let bad memories go and start trusting and > dating again. i'm a little apprehensive about the order of the > dream. it seems to me that i should have had the bad part first, > and the good part last. maybe i'm looking at this in the wrong > context. > > Permission to Comment yes_share_comments > > Permission Comments yes, i would love to have any interpretations > on my dream. Jay --------------- END dream-flow.v001.n167 --------------- -------------- BEGIN dream-flow.v001.n168 -------------- 001 - Heratheta - Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n167 002 - Anonymous - "Airport Morning" --------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n168.1 --------------- From: Heratheta Subject: Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n167 Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 11:48:22 EDT home again drm-peace had lain to the right of the trip if you had avoided becoming"difficult"(i would also like to say i am encouraged this dreamer tries to take different ways each day for this is how we can ameliorate recurring dreams, as long as the ways are 90 degrees to the right of the dream location. however,going to work every day makes this almost impossible except that i try to spend time after work away from my dream and even at work when possible to be seated in the direction away from my dream. i am sure that if my small efforts were not continued my dreams would be more stressful and my life equally so. right on ! ) disease drm-peace had lain to the right of the doctor if you had avoided becoming "unsure" (i have been trying a high magnesium diet which includes fish like cod mackeral whitefish bananas fresh squeezed citrus juice hazelnuts and others (upon request). mind you, these foods are also low in iron (which i believe in excess attracts dreams, the reality of death). more at www.dreamgate.com./dream/dubetz/ --------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n168.2 --------------- From: Anonymous Subject: "Airport Morning" Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 22:15:25 -0700 Dream Title Dream: "Airport Morning" Pen Name: Liberty Davis Date of Dream 9-21-99 Dream My aunt just picked me up from the airport in NY. However, the dream begins in her drive way where I get out of a jeep and see Dex (we'll call him Dex for privacy reasons)waiting for me with a small, white bag in one hand and a cup of (coffee?) in the other. We sat on the front steps of my aunt's house and ate what he brought me. He was wearing a hat ans was sitting to my left. So I asked him to turn his hat around. He asked, "why?" I said, "because I want to kiss you." He turned it around and we kissed. I really felt the warmth and softness of the kiss. Then his face filled all the space in my dream. I no longer saw the trees, house, cars nothing just his face. Comments by Dreamer This is the first time I am trying this site...Does this mean MY comments? If so here is what I came up with: Dex is a guy (my cousins good friend) i met in NY this summer and I like him. We talk on occassion and I will be going to NY next week. The dream seems pretty obvious to me, but sometimes the interpretation is deeper than the obvious. Also this is the first time I have dreamt of him in other clothing. Usually, if/when I dream about him, he is wearing the outfit I met him in. The kiss and the change of clothes I think mean my sexual feelings and motivations for him have changed. Before I would be able to "love it and leave it" so to speak, but now I feel as though there are MORE feelings there thus changing his clothes and feeling the KISS the way I did. If this were your dream....? Permission to Comment yes_share_comments Permission Comments I am trying this site out for my dream psychology class. I would love to get all the feed back possible. --------------- END dream-flow.v001.n168 --------------- -------------- BEGIN dream-flow.v001.n169 -------------- 001 - anonymous - Death of a girlfriend --------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n169.1 --------------- From: Anonymous Subject: Death of a girlfriend Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 09:08:13 -0700 Dream Title Death of a girlfriend. by Josephine Date of Dream Oct. 4, 99 at about 6am Dream This is my first attempt to share a dream so please bear with me. My son had the dream and I am at a loss to interpret it. He has had a very tumultous week, his girlfriend found out that she was pregnant, then she ended the pregnancy, which upset him. He also had to move back home with us and is almost 200 miles away from his girlfriend. He is very, very much in love with her. I believe this is significant to the dream. In the dream, he and his girlfriend were walking to school (they did not attend school together in real life) and it started to rain, they were happy that it was raining. They arrived there and saw some friends and everything was normal except that everyone had blankets, which did not seem unusual. Then they went to an end of school year party at my daughter's, and another man wanted to have a menage-a-trios with them, explaining very specifically what he wanted the girlfriend to do. They agreed and began, then the girlfriend indicated that she was no longer interested and my son threw him out. My son went home and was awakened the next morning by a policeman telling him that the girlfriend was killed and that he was the main suspect. My son followed the officer to a store in a van and could hear the officer explaining to other officers that the girlfriend had been beaten to death by the rejected man. He also heard that her best friend had survived. My son tried to get in the officer's car, but was told that he could not go with him on the investigation. So my son returned to the van, which his step-father (whom he does not like) was now driving, in hopes of following the officer. But they didn't follow and then they argued about music. The drive was fast with skidding around corners (safely) and they ended up at home. The house he described was large and very nice, like his girlfriend's parent's house. He told me and his step-dad about the murder and we were not upset about it. He wanted to make some food to take over there so he could talk to his girlfriend's best friend and I told him to make some chicken soup. (He and his girlfiend had made chicken soup here last week during a visit, the day she found out that she was pregnant). The dream changed then. Another police officer (the one from the Simpsons cartoon) came and he and my son got into a car with several other people and drove along the edge of a canyon. The cartoon cop and a woman fell out. As they were falling into the canyon, the woman ripped her hair out and flung it up, holding onto one end. The other end of her hair attached itself to a man's head and she reached for his legs with one hand and reached for the cop with the other hand. She reached the cop just after he hit the water, his face went under water but the rest of his body had landed on a turtle shell. Both of them were saved. (My son described this as if he was holding the camera filming the descent) Suddenly back at our house, my son heard thumping outside (the noise teenagers' cars make when playing loud music) and looked out. He saw his girlfriend's car and another car, a red one with two young women sitting in it. Then he woke up. He was sobbing and shaking. I have seldom seen him this upset. Comments by Dreamer My son also described the movements of the cartoon cop as surrealistic, squeezing and stretching in a cartoonlike manner. Permission to Comment yes_share_comments Permission Comments You have my permission to publish and interpret this information as you see fit. --------------- END dream-flow.v001.n169 --------------- -------------- BEGIN dream-flow.v001.n170 -------------- 001 - Anonymous - troubled 002 - AngstRidn - comments on Death of a Girlfriend --------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n170.1 --------------- From: Anonymous Subject: troubled Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 22:47:24 -0700 Dream Title troubled Date of Dream 10/5/99 Dream boyfriend having sex with a sexy,perfect body,exotic older lady.later on her face is revealed and is his grandmothers face Comments by Dreamer Permission to Comment yes_share_comments --------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n170.2 --------------- From: AngstRidn Subject: comments on Death of a Girlfriend Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 03:25:44 EDT Dream Title: Death of a girlfriend by Josephine Date of Dream: Oct. 4, 99 at about 6am Comments: This is my first attempt to share a dream so please bear with me. My son had the dream and I am at a loss to interpret it. He has had a very tumultous week, his girlfriend found out that she was pregnant, then she ended the pregnancy, which upset him. He also had to move back home with us and is almost 200 miles away from his girlfriend. He is very, very much in love with her. I believe this is significant to the dream. Dream: In the dream, he and his girlfriend were walking to school (they did not attend school together in real life) and it started to rain, they were happy that it was raining. They arrived there and saw some friends and everything was normal except that everyone had blankets, which did not seem unusual. Then they went to an end of school year party at my daughter's, and another man wanted to have a menage-a-trios with them, explaining very specifically what he wanted the girlfriend to do. They agreed and began, then the girlfriend indicated that she was no longer interested and my son threw him out. My son went home and was awakened the next morning by a policeman telling him that the girlfriend was killed and that he was the main suspect. My son followed the officer to a store in a van and could hear the officer explaining to other officers that the girlfriend had been beaten to death by the rejected man. He also heard that her best friend had survived. My son tried to get in the officer's car, but was told that he could not go with him on the investigation. So my son returned to the van, which his step-father (whom he does not like) was now driving, in hopes of following the officer. But they didn't follow and then they argued about music. The drive was fast with skidding around corners (safely) and they ended up at home. The house he described was large and very nice, like his girlfriend's parent's house. He told me and his step-dad about the murder and we were not upset about it. He wanted to make some food to take over there so he could talk to his girlfriend's best friend and I told him to make some chicken soup. (He and his girlfiend had made chicken soup here last week during a visit, the day she found out that she was pregnant). The dream changed then. Another police officer (the one from the Simpsons cartoon) came and he and my son got into a car with several other people and drove along the edge of a canyon. The cartoon cop and a woman fell out. As they were falling into the canyon, the woman ripped her hair out and flung it up, holding onto one end. The other end of her hair attached itself to a man's head and she reached for his legs with one hand and reached for the cop with the other hand. She reached the cop just after he hit the water, his face went under water but the rest of his body had landed on a turtle shell. Both of them were saved. (My son described this as if he was holding the camera filming the descent) Suddenly back at our house, my son heard thumping outside (the noise teenagers' cars make when playing loud music) and looked out. He saw his girlfriend's car and another car, a red one with two young women sitting in it. Then he woke up. He was sobbing and shaking. I have seldom seen him this upset. Comments: My son also described the movements of the cartoon cop as surrealistic, squeezing and stretching in a cartoonlike manner. Permission to Comment: yes share comments Permission Comments: You have my permission to publish and interpret this information as you see fit. >> >> ============================= Josephine: I posted your son's dream to one of my other dream newsgroups and this was the response: Comments From: Dee Hi: I know people hate it when a dream interpretation is negative or blunt, but how else could one interpet this one. The guy is scared to death that his relationship is over. #1 - the school represents life's lessons. #2 - Part of the dream might be prophetic, but I don't want to go there, since I don't know these people. #3 - The rain could be emotions - like a release from a problem, perhaps. Rain is also refreshing, the nourishing of the body and soul from above. #4 - The blankets are protection. A cloaking from being involved in his situation though other people are all around him. #5 - The part about the other man might be a fear that being so far away, his girlfriend will find someone else and still say she wants to be with him, and because he loves her, he can't resist. And then the relationship will end because she will like the other guy better. (Killing their relationship) #6 - The cop is the authority figure. Could be his higher self. #7 - The step-father image is typical. The step-father (driving) is in control of what he ultimately does and is not the same as what he wants. The argument about the music could be about music, but also about the difference in what is harmonious to the step-father, vs what is harmonious to the young man. #8 - The chicken soup is 'food for thought', and chicken soup is a healing food. That was wise advice from the mother. #9 - The cartoonish part is again his fears being looked at as he was heading towards waking up. The canyon is a big hole which he feels he has fallen into. Falling is also what it feels like as we are waking up sometimes. His face went into the water (the emotions) and the turtle shell (where his body landed) is a protective shell which he pulls around him, so others don't see the real emotional self which he protects from others. #10 - The girls hair is her thoughts which she ultimately attaches to someone elses head - listens to others, the authority figures.. #11 - The girlfriend's red car is her sexuality. She has a girlfriend with her, so must be someone close to her. #12 - The mother doesn't say whether this dream happened while the radio was playing. . . some radio alarms play music upon wakeup, and the music could have come from that. Otherwise, I would assume the 'noise' is disharmonious feelings about the girl and the situation. His feelings upon awaking would be normal considering the events of the dream. Hope that helps. It was a bad situation, but the going to school part is part of the lesson plan he chose when he came to earth, and the girl was a partner in the lesson. Sounds like he has a great mother. Love, Light, and Joy Dee -------------- BEGIN dream-flow.v001.n171 -------------- 001 - Heratheta - Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n168,169 002 - Anonymous - dream interpretation sites? 003 - Anonymous - "Ultimate Loss" 004 - Anonymous - Jealousy --------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n171.1 --------------- From: Heratheta Subject: Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n168,169 Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 20:27:32 EDT #168 airport drm-peace had lain to the right of the driveway if you had avoided becoming"waiting" #169death drm-peace had lain to the right of the walk if you had avoided making yourself or others happy. #170troubled drm-peace had lain to the irhgt of the sex if you had avoided becoming had. more at www.dreamgate.com./dream/dubetz/ --------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n171.2 --------------- From: Anonymous Subject: dream interpretation sites? Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 17:15:57 -0700 Dream If anyone can send me good web pages or info or dream, mostly interpetering please send it to Jennuwhine1@yahoo.com Comments by Dreamer Permission to Comment yes_share_comments --------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n171.3 --------------- From: Anonymous Subject: "Ultimate Loss" Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 09:48:55 -0700 Dream Title "Ultimate Loss" Capt'n Date of Dream Oct. 8 1999/4:30am Dream Hardly an unusual dream, I suspect. My wife was terminally ill. Doctors could do nothing else, so I broke her out of the hostpital. The Dr. was chasing me in obvious dislike for what I was doing. Suddenly I looked up and my wife was about to drive off without me in our white car (actually, I think it was my Dad's Jeep Cherokee). My thought was that she didn't want to be a burden anymore. I ran along side the car and punched the window out with my fist and dived into the car. She then stopped and moved to the back seat, and I took over driving. We were driving home, so she could say bye to and hug the kids one more time. We didn't make it home. She called to me at a red light and I went back to the back seat where she was and held her. We had one last kiss then she died in my arms. I couldn't wake up. . . When I finally woke up, to a wet pillow in a fit of somewhat violent sobbing, I woke her up and she held me. Interesting change. I never have vivid dreams like this. I usually don't remember details from dreams. I've never had a dream affect me the way this one has. I can't shake the images. Eventhough she's ok, I can't get the images, or the pain in my heart to go away. I have to know what it means. Comments by Dreamer I'm still in shock from the dream. I don't think I've left out any details. Permission to Comment yes_share_comments --------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n171.4 --------------- From: Anonymous Subject: Jealousy Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 10:31:30 -0700 Dream Title Jealousy Date of Dream 10/7/99, woke at 5am Dream My boyfriend, myself and a bunch of other people (some look framiliar) are outside the farm house I grew up in. When we move inside, we are all sitting on a slightly sloping floor with sheets and pillows for comfort. I am getting jealous b/c my boyfriend is flirting and spending NO time with me. I almost seem to be following him around. Then I am in my parents' room, I had been in there hearing some kind of noise that was pissing me off. He comes in sweaty and glowing and mostly naked. Hes ready for sex and wants to grab me for some thundering sex. I ask him if he was just making love to Merav (a friend of ours) He said yes. I am very angry but for some reason I think its ok for him to do this to me. Very dissapointed. Comments by Dreamer When I woke I wanted to cry but couldnt, too sleepy. I felt so bad like I had been lied to and dumped. I feel like he is cheating on me now. What gives? I dontlike those dreams. Permission to Comment yes_share_comments --------------- END dream-flow.v001.n171 --------------- -------------- BEGIN dream-flow.v001.n172 -------------- 001 - Anonymous - House Renovation 002 - Anonymous - sharifa 003 - Heratheta - Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n171 --------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n172.1 --------------- From: Anonymous Subject: House Renovation Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 20:29:00 -0700 Dream Title House Renovation homeguys Date of Dream Oct.8th 6 - 12 noon Dream I'm in my street level basement where a renovation is taking place. New applicances are being rolled past and in my very large yard there are new 6 foot section of fencing to be installed after the house is renovated. Comments by Dreamer I have been dreaming of houses in one form or another for the past year. What does it mean? Permission to Comment yes_share_comments --------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n172.2 --------------- From: Anonymous Subject: sharifa Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 20:28:21 -0700 Dream Title sharifa Date of Dream Aug 4-5th, 4to5am. Dream I see a quilt with some fancy corners. I am on the verandah of the main house- I have been away and have come back again. I pick up what I think is my quilt, it has writing all over it and around the edges. One edge has a lot of writing, I am trying to decipher it as someone I know has been killed. There is a man with me , he stops in the same place, he is some kind of leader. We are checking out some pills I have found , one is white on one side and has a picture on the other . The man says "thank goodness you found them, they are explosive." The writing on the quilt keeps changing. I go to see my dead friend for just a minute while she is lying in state- I cannot stay longer , we have to find the danger and fix it before people are hurt. I feel bad leaving so quickly. Comments by Dreamer I do not know anyone one who has recently died, and no-one seriously ill. Permission to Comment yes_share_comments --------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n172.3 --------------- From: Heratheta Subject: Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n171 Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 09:16:48 EDT ultimate drm-peace had lain to the right of the hospital if you had avoided becoming "could do nothing" jealousy drm-peace had lain to the right of the house if you had avoided becoming "slightly" more at www.dreamgate.com./dream/dubetz/ --------------- END dream-flow.v001.n172 --------------- -------------- BEGIN dream-flow.v001.n173 -------------- 001 - Heratheta - Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n172 002 - Anonymous - Message from father who passed away. 003 - jskd - Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n172 004 - Anonymous - Heaven and Hell --------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n173.1 --------------- From: Heratheta Subject: Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n172 Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 09:49:17 EDT house drm-peace had lain to the right of the yard if you had avoided becoming "very" sharita drm-peace had alin to the irght of the quilt if you had avoided becoming "as" more at www.dreamgate.com./dream/dubetz/ --------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n173.2 --------------- From: Anonymous Subject: Message from father who passed away. Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 10:24:56 -0700 Dream Title Message from father who passed away. Date of Dream 10th October, early hours of the morning. Dream I dreamt that I seen my father. He has been dead for about 18 years now. I dream about him from time to time but I can't pin point if it is at any specific time in my life. He was standing in a cold dark place, something like underground. Maybe with pipes. He was familiar with his surroundings. He was tall and skinny and he hugged me. He looked into my eyes. "What's wrong?" was his question. I told him what was wrong but I can't remember what was wrong. There was lots of crying from me, although I can't recall seeing tears. I just remember feeling crying. Whenever I dream of him, I always say to him "You're supposed to be dead?" He's reply is "No, I'm alive." I'm not sure if I actually asked him this or he read my mind, so I didn't have to say anything. There was a sense of comfort. His appearance was very much the same as I remembered. Comments by Dreamer Permission to Comment yes_share_comments --------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n173.3 --------------- From: jskd Subject: Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n172 Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 01:12:57 -0600 On Sat, 9 Oct 1999 21:10:49 -0700 (PDT) dream-flow-errors@lists.best.com writes: > .>Dream Title House Renovation >homeguys >Date of Dream Oct.8th >dream I'm in my street level basement where a renovation is taking place. >New applicances are being rolled past and in my very large yard there >are >new 6 foot section of fencing to be installed after the house is >renovated. >Comments by Dreamer I have been dreaming of houses in one form or >another >for the past year. What does it mean? >Permission to Comment yes_share_comments >--------------- MESSAGE dream-flow.v001.n172.2 >From: "anonymous" >Subject: sharifa >Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 20:28:21 -0700 >Dream Title sharifa >Date of Dream Aug 4-5th, 4to5am. >Dream I see a quilt with some fancy corners. I am on the verandah of the main house- I have been away and have come back again. I pick up what I think is my quilt, it has writing all over it and around the edges. >One edge has a lot of writing, I am trying to decipher it as someone I know has been killed. >There is a man with me , he stops in the same place, he is some kind of leader. We are checking out some pills I have found , one is white on one side and has a picture on the other . The man says "thank goodness you found them, they are explosive." >The writing on the quilt keeps changing. I go to see my dead friend for just a minute while she is lying in state- I cannot stay longer , we have to find the danger and fix it before people are hurt. I feel bad leaving so >quickly. >Comments by Dreamer I do not know anyone one who has recently died, and no-one seriously ill. >Permission to Comment yes_share_comments --------------- MESSAGE dream-flow.v001.n172.3 --------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n173.4 --------------- From: Anonymous Subject: Heaven and Hell Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 19:25:41 -0700 Dream Title Heaven and Hell Date of Dream October, 10, 1999/3:30am-1:30pm Dream I died. And I went to Heaven. The colors were white. It was a very soft colored environment. Heaven was a very busy place. It was like a business everyone was working hard for God to get souls on his side. To save souls from Lucifer. The only person that walked by that I recognized from the previous life was Adam, he had been a guy I had, had a crush on all through High school. He was wearing a dark suit and I noticed him just walk bye. All of the sudden I saw myself in hell. I asked God, "Why, why did you send me to Hell?" Hell was exactly the same as Heaven, except the color was red instead of white. The colors were more bold and dark in this environment. Everyone there was trying to get souls for Lucifer. They were just as busy and in a business type mode as well. It was like Buger King verses McDonald's. Both businesses were trying to bring the same crowd and working against each other for the same clients. Only this time it was Go! ! d verses Satan and they were both trying to win souls. Satan sent his demons and God sent his angels to do their work. I found myself trying to save a soul of a child of God from Satan. When, it finally hit me that God had not abadoned me and I was sent there to do his work as an "undercover angel" I found myself back in Heaven. I wanted to ask God, himself if that was his plan for me. But, instead of talking to the Almighty, everyone that had questions had to wait in line at this huge to ask this woman who happened to be the "interpreter" of God. I then woke up. Comments by Dreamer Permission to Comment yes_share_comments --------------- END dream-flow.v001.n173 --------------- -------------- BEGIN dream-flow.v001.n174 -------------- 001 - Anonymous - BABY DREAM 002 - Anonymous - in the Kroger warehouse --------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n174.1 --------------- From: Anonymous Subject: BABY DREAM Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 16:54:01 -0700 Dream Title BABY DREAM by SeattleGuy Date of Dream 10/12/99//3:00am Dream I hope someone can help me with this dream.... Quick background: We are reading Jung's biography in class and this may have had an affect on inciting the dream. Here goes... I am with a woman of 20 years old or so; someone I know but cannot recall who now. We are sitting on the carpet in a small room (a nursery). I am spending time with this person but am not yet aware of the baby in the room. That is until the baby (an especially young infant whose gender is not apparent) tips backward from a sitting upright position. It was dressed in a seafoam green one piece baby outfit. The infant had been sat underneath one of those activity center things that are supposed to stimulate the baby. With my attention drawn to the baby now, I say, "Wow, that baby is quite young to to be sitting up like that." (In other words: the baby is doing something that normal infants at that age ususally cannot.) Because the infant tipped backward, it hit the back of it's head on the carpet. Out of concern I say to the woman, "I hope it's head doesn't get messed up, maybe you should massage it?" So the woman moves over to the baby and lifts it up. She then starts to vigorously massage the baby's head. Just then, I notice how unnaturally small and wrinkled the baby's head is (about the size of a plum). And on the back of the head is an area where the round part of the skull shows a fold. (The baby's head has little hair.) Then I awaken. Comments by Dreamer Please Note- We are reading Jung's biography in class and this may have had an affect on inciting the dream. --------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n174.2 --------------- From: Anonymous Subject: in the Kroger warehouse Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 09:39:57 -0700 Dream Title in the Kroger warehouse Date of Dream 10/9 Dream There was no more deli meat in the fridge (in the waking state)so I went to get some (into the dream now). There along the back wall of this more like a Sam's Club than a Kroger, but knowing that it IS a Kroger, where the deli is there is a long wall of high shelves, like you might see in a welding shop, strong and industrial. I met up with some friends there, friends from another state, who I haven't seen in probably a year. I don't recall having been in the store with anyone, and there wasn't an initial "hey!" just one minute they were there. I remember wondeing if I had actually gone there with them. But back to the shelves.. the bottom maybe 4 1/2 feet was caged in and on the top stacked up were enormous doge, the size of deer, all a dark brown with short hair. These dogs were stacked with their backs facing out, one of these dogs was breathing, and not just panting, but almost a frantic anxiety driven breath. This dog was in the middle of an stack. There were more of these dogs in the caged in section of the shelves, I could see the eyes of these dogs, empty. Then I was at the cash register.. I don't think I ended up getting that deli meat, come to think of it. Comments by Dreamer Jeez, I just don't know about this one. My dreams keep getting stranger and stranger... Permission to Comment yes_share_comments --------------- END dream-flow.v001.n174 --------------- -------------- BEGIN dream-flow.v001.n175 -------------- 001 - Anonymous - time to kill the horses --------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n175.1 --------------- From: Anonymous Subject: time to kill the horses Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 18:01:10 -0700 Dream Title time to kill the horses Date of Dream 10/17/99 4:00 a.m. Dream I was standing in a room with walls, but no floor. It was more like a huge tent. There were about 100 people there and each person was standing next to a horse. We were instructed to kill the horses with an axe by whacking them as hard as we could across the neck to rupture a major artery. They said we had no choice- even if we didn't kill it on the first try, the horses had to be killed. So, when they announced it was time to kill the horses, I swung back the axe and struck the horse. But, I couldn't bring myself to do it with any force. However, I did it hard enough to make a cut across the horses neck. It went mad. I started crying and hugging the horse, feeling the greatest regret. I rushed over to the pharmacy area with the horse. I begged them not to hurt it, but to give it medicine to heal the cuts, and they did. They said it would be fine, but if I had only struck it an inch higher with the axe, I would have killed it successfully. Comments by Dreamer Permission to Comment yes_share_comments --------------- END dream-flow.v001.n175 --------------- -------------- BEGIN dream-flow.v001.n176 -------------- 001 - Heratheta - Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n173,174,175 002 - Anonymous - dead & dead again --------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n176.1 --------------- From: Heratheta Subject: Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n173,174,175 Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 20:46:32 EDT #173 message drm-peace had lain to the right of the father if you had avoided becoming 'familiar" heaven drm-peace had lain to the right of heaven if you had avoided becoming 'very' #174 baby drm-peace had lain to the right of the carpet if you hAd avoided being hit upon kroger drm-peace had lain to the right of the fridge if you had avoided becoming "no" #175 horse drm-peace had lain to the right of the room if you had avoided had avoide becoming "no" more at www.dreamgate.com./dream/dubetz/ --------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n176.2 --------------- From: Anonymous Subject: dead & dead again Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 12:23:43 -0700 Dream Title dead & dead again- Sara Date of Dream 10/17/99 Dream I had a really freaky dream the other night night that i was wondering if someone could help me out with. In it, i was dead- kind of. Everyone knew i was dead and they were all sad and there was a corpse but i was still around. I also remember seeing the corpse (me) in the clear body bag and everyone was trying to move it around so i didn't see the face (it was my face) People could talk to me and see me but they were still sad, as if i were really dead. The part of me that was still alive was only going to be around for a few more days before it/i was completely removed as well. I remember talking to my mom in the dream telling her i was really scared and knowing i was going to miss her. I do not remember how i died. Basically there was one me but when i died another one was created to hang around for a few more days. Comments by Dreamer This dream really freaked me out and i am very curious to find out the meaning.... Thanks Permission to Comment yes_share_comments --------------- END dream-flow.v001.n176 --------------- -------------- BEGIN dream-flow.v001.n177 -------------- 001 - Anonymous - Cab and Son 002 - Heratheta - Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n176 003 - Anonymous - The Bed Dream by Vera --------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n177.1 --------------- From: Anonymous Subject: Cab and Son Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 01:17:45 -0700 Dream Title Kimbelina Date of Dream 10/22/99 5:30 a.m. Dream I had this dream right before I awoke to go to work this morning. All day the dream disturbed me. I dreamnt that I was observing a couple and their toddler son rushing by to catch the taxi that was waiting just ahead. As they made their mad rush to the taxi they left their son behind who was afraid to proceed because of the vicious dog nearby. Not wanting this toddler to be left behind I left my husband & children to help this boy & went & held his hand while trying to lead him past the menacing dog who kept snapping at the toddler, making him cry more --------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n177.2 --------------- From: Heratheta Subject: Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n176 Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 10:41:00 EDT dead drm-peace had lain to the right of the bag if you had avoided becoming "really" more at www.dreamgate.com./dream/dubetz/ --------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n177.3 --------------- From: Anonymous Subject: The Bed Dream by Vera Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 14:06:56 -0700 Dream Title The Bed Dream by Vera Date of Dream 10/22/99 Dream The guy I like is over at my house for some reason or another...there was a reason but I don't remember it. Anyways, I walked into someone's room (my parents? my brother? sister? i dunno...i think it was my parents) and he was making the bed. I said some thing sarcastic like "geez, you're good at making beds" or something dumb like that and he said (equally sarcastic) "ooh yeah i know i am, have any other beds that need to be made?" and I'm like "yeah, follow me..I don't think my bed is made yet." So we walk down the hall to my room, but when we get there, my romm is like all rearranged and messed up. My bed was on the opposite wall and the mural that is normally on my wall was torn down! I was all upset and I asked my mom like what the hell happened to my mural and she said she tore it down or something like that and I was really pissed and upset but I didn't want to cry cuz he was there and I thought I'd look stupid crying over my stupid little wall thing. Also, now that I think about it, the walls in my room were white instead of the jungle green color they are now. 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