E.l.e.c.t.r.i.c D.r.e.a.m.s Subscribe: electric-dreams-subscribe@egroups.com Subscribe Online: http://www.egroups.com/group/electric- dreams Unsubscribe: electric-dreams-unsubscribe@egroups.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= E.l.e.c.t.r.i.c D.r.e.a.m.s Volume #8 Issue #2 February 2001 ISSN# 1089 4284 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= http://www.dreamgate.com/electric-dreams =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Download a Cover for this Issue! http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/ed-covers Artist : Fung Lin Hall =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= C O N T E N T S ++ Editor's Notes ++ Event: Mutual Dream Destination for February 14: Valentine's Day : : Eiffel Tower, Paris ++ Notes to the Editor/Dream Airing: ++ Column: An Excerpt From the Lucid Dream Exchange By Lucy Gillis ++ Column: The Dream Doctor By Charles McPhee, Ph.D. ++ Column: The DreamSpinner Column Working Dreams With The Power Of Computers By Bjo Ashwill ++ Column: Exploring Dreaming through the I Ching Hilary Barrett, Clarity ++ Article: Cyberwork: The Archetypal Imagination in New Realms of Ensoulment by Cliff Bostock ++ Special Notice: Call for Art for the ASD Conference by Richard Russo G L O B A L D R E A M I N G N E W S - Peggy Coats NEWS * RESEARCH & REQUESTS * WEBSITE & ONLINE UPDATES * * DREAM CALENDAR for January 2000 & February * ASD News Update! D R E A M S S E C T I O N : This issue includes volume #67 - #87 D E A D L I N E : January 15, deadline for FEBURARY submissions M.U.T.U.A.L D.R.E.A.M T.A.R.G.E.T February 14, 2001 : Eiffel Tower, Paris XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX Send Dreams and Comments on Dreams to: Richard Wilkerson Send Dreaming News and Calendar Events to: Peggy Coats Send Articles and Subscription concerns to: Richard Wilkerson: =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Editor's Notes =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Welcome to the February issue of Electric Dreams, your portal to dreams and dreaming. If you are new to Electric Dreams, please see our January 2001 issue for an introduction and guide to dreaming online. http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/ed-backissues I wanted to first mention that we are re-structuring the dream groups sponsored by Electric Dreams. We will still have the same great in-depth dream exploration, but we are adding some educational components to some and allowing for more personal group formation on others. Keep and eye out in early February for full scoop, we will send out information along the Electric Dreams channel as well as the DreamGate "History of Dreams" channel. If you are already a member of one of these groups, you will hear about the changes from your group moderators. I would like to draw your attention to Cliff Bostock's article, "Cyberwork: The archetypal imagination in new realms of ensoulment". Just as the Electric Dreams community has been struggling with the issue of soul in cyberspace (via dream sharing and dreamwork) so too has Bostock been pondering both the cyber-wasteland and cyber-utopian dreams. Bostock challenges and expands James Hillman and Marshall Mchluhan's notions about image and media with an examination of the new cyberbody that we are giving form to, and acting as the midwife. Though not directly writing about dreams, Bostock's article will expand and deepen your notion of what we are doing here sharing dreams. Speaking of man and machine, I have expanded the Computer Dreams survey to include not just digital dreams, but also dreams about robots, cyborgs, androids and other beings and scenarios that look at the human-machine interface. Be sure to drop off your computer dreams and fill out the survey at: http://www.dreamgate.com/computers/ Bjo Ashwill has been showing us how to use the computer's power to store, group, analyze and retrieve information from our dreams. This month she uses her program the DreamSpinner to analyze over a thousand dreams in search of those with grins and smiles. As you will see, some interesting surprises pop up as we move from the grin of devils to angelic smiles. Charles McPhee, author of Stop Sleeping Through Your Dreams and the director of the Dream Doctor website returns to comment on dreams. http://www.dreamdoctor.com Just in time for Valentine's day and a dreamy box of chocolates, the excerpt from Lucy Gillis's "Lucid Dream Exchange" focuses on the power of taste in lucid dreaming. Learn to turn those lucid dreams into a wonderful gustatory experience, with out getting fat! Tired of that same old dream bus or train? Hilary Barrett uses the I Ching on a train dream with interesting results. Make your next station stop a place for enlightenment with "Exploring Dreams through the I Ching" Our news directory, Peggy Coats, from dreamtree.com, has gathered dreaming news from around the world, events, conferences, seminars..... be sure to read what is both online and offline has allowed us this month to include the ASD E-news in place of the usual Global Dreaming News. If you have news items about dreams and dreaming for Peggy, send them to her at pcoats@dreamtree.com Our Dreams this month come from all around the Net and have been organized by the software developed by Harry Bosma. Be sure to look through the dreams and see what on the mind and soul of dreamers in Cyberspace. If you would like a cover for your Electric Dreams, the cover is at http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/ed-covers Thanks to the artist, Fung Lin Hall http://www.mutanteggplant.com Read more about the process in the Dream Airing section. Be sure to meet with us WEDNESDAY January 24, 7 PM Pacific Time for online chat with the famous author and therapist Robert Bosnak. http://members.tripod.com/enchantco/dreamchat/id2.htm More on this below in the Dream Airing section. See you there! -Richard Wilkerson =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Dream Airing: News, Notes and Events =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ///////////////////////////////////// Want to chat about dreams? So you have seen it all and done everything there is to do in dreamwork. For you, Electric Dreams offers the further reaches of dreamwork. On the outer edge, the community explores postmodern dreamwork, transhumanist dreamwork, mutual dreaming, lucid dreaming and psi dreaming. Imagine dreamwork at trans-warp drive speeds. Open a sub-space portal and teledream though. A good place to start here is with the dreamchatters@egroups.com list. Stop by http://www.egroups.com/group/dreamchatters for more information. //////////////////////////////////////////////////// About the Cover Artist: Fung Lin Hall About Eggplant project: This project got started quite by chance in Prague with my meeting of mutant eggplant at Havelska market and the Russian exile Ivan who was gifted with computer animation/html. The Mutant Eggplant and all the photos are real, including the toilet paper from the Prague Castle. (No help from photoshop). The "Eccentric Visions" is an imaginary hypersyllabus of parallel universe, pairing our heroes, and my attempt at poking fun at gender politics. G theory is my spoof on C theory. These are my chinese peasant feet, good for planting rice. The photos of the tower are from Karlstejn and the last photo is the ossuary from Kutna Hora. A shrine of bones and skulls built slowly by two monks after the Plague. Post.M.E. is about looking...reflections through art, film images, culture and society. Saguaro Follies, an interactive project based on archetypes* was the first project Koji Tada and I worked together. Koji has helped with Silent Stars by Andy Warhol (he did the flash work) Three Easy Pieces and Good Luck Bullshit Calligraphy. Strangefruit is an email collaborative project with Andrew Pothecary, installed right after Saguaro Follies. In case you are curious, I was born in Tokyo of Chinese parentage. I studied Art History at U of Hawaii, trained myself visually in Printmaking and had Art Exhibits in Miami, and Honolulu. I now reside in Phoenix, Arizona, which explains my shift to Saguaro (cactus). ~~~~~~~ Fung Lin Hall http://www.mutanteggplant.com ///////////////////////////////////////////////// The Association for the Study of Dreams DREAM TIME LIVE SCHEDULE: On January 24, 2001, 7 PM Pacific Time, our Dream Time Live guest will be Robert Bosnak, author of the Tracks in the Wilderness of Dreams, Little Book of Dreams, and Dreaming with an AIDS patient. Future Guests will include, former ASD President and Editor- in-Chief of the Journal, Dreaming, Deirdre Barrett. ________ WEDNESDAY January 24, 7 PM Pacific Time 03:00:00 Thursday January 25 2001 in GMT What time is that for me? That will be GMT or Universal Time = 03:00:00 Thursday Jan 25 2001 in GMT 19:00:00 Wed JAN 24, 2001 in California is 03:00:00 Thu JAN 25, 2001 in GMT or Universal Time 04:00:00 Thu JAN 25, 2001 in Europe/Oslo 04:00:00 Thu JAN 25, 2001 in Europe/Amsterdam 00:00:00 Thu JAN 25, 2001 in America/Buenos_Aires 05:00:00 Thu JAN 25, 2001 in Africa/Johannesburg 11:00:00 Thu JAN 25, 2001 in Asia/Hong_Kong 14:00:00 Thu JAN 25, 2001 in Australia/Melbourne ________ Be sure to stop by the CyberDreamWork Web site before the show to learn about the program and how you can participate: http://www.cyberdreamwork.com/ ======================================================== WHERE? This chat will take place in the Dreaming_and_Chatting chat room. You can connect from the Web or IRC **** WEB CONNECTION: http://www.tctc.com/~unameit/javachat/dreamchat2.html Instructions: Simply point your Web browser to this page, sign in and you will be connected. To enter questions or comments, type in the small long box below the chat room screen and use your enter or return key to send the text you have typed. AOL: if you are having difficulties connecting via the AOL browser, make sure you have downloaded and installed the latest AOL6.0 If you are using AOL 6 and still experiencing difficulties, select MY AOL/ PREFERENCES/WWW Select the security tab and change the level to Medium-Low. This should enable the JAVA to work with your browser. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Mutual Dream Destination, February 14, 2001 Eiffel Tower, Paris =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- What a better place to meet for Valentine's Day than under the Eiffel Tower in Paris? Be sure to put the intention in your mind that night and then send in your dreams about what happened to the rest of the group (see below). Story: When I used to see picture of the Eiffel Tower and imagine what it looked like, I always had a vision of it as very lacy and delicate. But when I actually saw it and climbed on it, I had more the feeling that I was in something made by Jules Verne. This was the architecture of the Nautilus, with curving 19th Century ironworks and pulleys and cogs. There was something organic about all this inorganic material, something that might rise up from Neptune's factory. See you there! Can this really happen? What about different time zones? OK, don't get overload by consensus reality. First, yes, people often have dreams where upon awakening they find out that someone else had the dream too. We just boost this process by lending a conscious intention to the game. It doesn't really matter if you dream of Florida tonight after reading this, or on the specific date set out. We don't put that kind of linear time requirement on this game. We are not trying to determine if we "really had the same dream" or "really were there together". Let's just say that to some degree, imaginal, psychic, cosmic, or comic, if we dream about similar things, we do share those images and in a sense, we were both there. You can share them on Dreamchatters or Dreamshare, two www.egroups.com discussion lists, or you can send to Judith and indicate whether you are comfortable posting them to the Dreamshare conference. About Mutual Dreaming: See Linda Magallon's Mutual Dreaming FAQ: http://members.aol.com/dreampsi/archive/mutualdreaming.html# anchor456487 Where would *you* like to meet in the future? Contact Judith E-mail : coamdre@mindspring.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=- An Excerpt From the Lucid Dream Exchange By Lucy Gillis =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= =-=-=-=- AN EXCERPT FROM THE LUCID DREAM EXCHANGE By Lucy Gillis With Valentine's Day just around the corner, who can help but think of love, romance, and of course, chocolate! As most of us know, chocolate is wonderful in waking life - can you imagine what it would taste like in a lucid dream, with senses heightened? This month's excerpt includes two delicious examples of experiencing the sensation of taste in lucid dreams. *********************************************************** TASTY DREAMS Kalindi Chocolatey Lucid Dreams September 29, 2000 I was in a crowd watching bicycles go by, and there was one bicycle that was for 5 people; all the crowd was amazed. After the cyclists went by I was walking home and there was a chocolate truck that was leaking out the sides, all over the place, forming big puddles of melted chocolate. I became lucid and flew up in the air. Just then I remembered another benefit of lucid dreaming, which is indulging in foods that one normally shouldn't eat too much of. There were POOLS of rich, deep, dark, velvety chocolate, and I let myself sink into it. It was so smooth, and it tasted like liquid heaven - much more intense than RL. I thought about diving into the chocolate, but even though I knew breathing wouldn't be a problem, I decided just to enjoy the taste. It was far better than anything I've ever tasted while awake. Kalindi October 6, 2000 I dreamed that I was in a little room or kitchen, stirring [or *folding*, actually, for you gastronomes] a very large bowl of chocolate mousse. It was light (both color and texture) and fluffy, something like thick whipped cream. I decided that there wasn't enough of the mousse, and that it wasn't dark and chocolatey enough for my taste, so I added another ingredient which resembled corn syrup but was dark chocolate. The mousse grew to a much larger size in the bowl - so big in fact, that it was going over the edges of the large container! I was using a big flat utensil to stir it, and kept trying to flip the oozing chocolate concoction back into the bowl. [The texture was very interesting - somewhat firm and flexible, but also still "moussey" and almost browny-like.] Finally I got it all to stay in the bowl, and brought it out to another room where Adastra was lying back on a couch or bed. There were large stacks of large, thin chocolate chip cookies sitting around him, an! d he was munching on one when I came out. The stacks of cookies looked sort of like tall piles of tortillas. I sat cross- legged behind where A's head was, and took one of the cookies and tasted it. I felt guilty about eating it, especially because there were so many piles of the cookies. I remembered that I was only dreaming though, and felt very happy that I could enjoy as much as I liked. [Not sure if I was lucid before that time] I said, "Ha! wait for this!" and took the bowl of chocolate and dipped my hand in, scooping out a big, fluffy amount. I slapped it onto the cookie and put another one on top to make a sandwich. I took a bite and it was the most rich and wonderful taste I could imagine. The chocolate filling ooozed out the edges, and I licked it off my fingers. mmmmmmmm *********************************************************** The Lucid Dream Exchange is a quarterly issue featuring lucid dreams and lucid dream related articles, poetry, and book reviews submitted by readers. For further information contact Lucy Gillis at lucy_gillis@hotmail.com *********************************************************** =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- The Dream Doctor Charles McPhee, Ph.D. http://www.dreamdoctor.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- "Snapping Turtles" Dear Dream Doctor Hi! My name is Kelly. I live in Louisiana. I keep having dreams about turtles. In my first dream a snapping turtle was attacking my friend so I went to help. Then it started attacking me. It felt so real that when I woke up, I ran to the bathroom, put on the light, and started checking my body for blood and missing flesh. My second dream was last night. I was coming home from work, and a woman was stopped on the road trying to get a turtle. Well, I stopped to help her. I had a bullion sack in the back of my truck, and I found a stick and pushed the turtle in the sack. When I went to pick up the sack, the turtle busted out and grabbed me on the arm around the wrist area. It bit down until my wrist was bit in half. About my background: Yes, I am involved in a relationship. My lover is not from Louisiana, she is from Illinois. She moved here to be with me, so she has been homesick lately. She's been on edge, but we both have been. I am 37 years old, my lover is 25, and yes, we are thinking of having a family. She would be the one to carry the baby, not me. Her sister just had a baby May 1st. What do you think? Kelly, Age 37, Single, Female, LA, USA Hi Kelly We know you were happy to wake up from both of these dreams! Now that you are awake though, the question still remains. What in the world does this snapping turtle symbolize? Not only are the turtle dreams recurring, suggesting an important message that needs to "get through," one dream was so vivid that you actually ran to the bathroom to see if you were bleeding. When you first sent in your dream, I answered back asking if you were involved in any relationships at present, where you feared you might get hurt (the "snapping turtle.") I also asked if babies were on your mind, because as many women who've been pregnant before will confirm, turtles in dreams are common during pregnancies! It's a bizarre combination, isn't it? Turtles and babies? And yet, when women become pregnant, lizards, turtles, frogs and a host of other small, reptilian creatures often begin appearing in dreams. As pregnancies progress, the dream creatures expand in size. Soon women dream of birthing cats, baby dogs and other household pets! Typically it is only after delivering a genuine, healthy baby boy or girl that a woman is reassured that there really was a baby in there all along. (How do we know this to be true? Animal dreams are much less common in subsequent pregnancies!) Given the background you provide, the snapping turtle in your dream almost certainly represents the current relationship you are in, blended with your desires to begin a family. The woman whom you stop on the road to help put a turtle in a bag is your lover. You two have already discussed children to the extent where you have agreed that she will carry the baby. Do we now understand the metaphor of putting a "turtle in the bag?" You're trying to get a baby in your lover's belly! But alas! The baby issue is complicated. Your partner is homesick, which suggests indecisiveness in her commitment. The setting for the second dream, in fact, is a highway, an apparent reference to your partner's expressed desire to move home. Given the circumstances, is it any wonder you fear becoming hurt in this relationship right now? You are ready to settle down and watch the young ones grow. But your partner thinks she may move back to Chicago. Ouch! Do you remember how much it hurt when you were bit? These are warning dreams, Kelly! It appears you already know, inside, that these are not the best circumstances in which to raise a family. Given the uncertainties, I think you would be wise to take your dream's advice and wait to find a more "settled" home to raise your turtles. Kelly replies: Yes, at times I am afraid of getting hurt. Because I know if she keeps getting homesick really bad, I will call it over. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= The DreamSpinner Column Working Dreams With The Power Of Computers 7th Column: Finding Big Differences with Subtle Shifts of Metaphors By Bjo Ashwill http://www.spinner-soft.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Hi, Electric Dreamers. I am Bjo Ashwill and am writing a monthly column on my experiences of creating a computer software program that does very detailed analysis of dream narratives. You are welcome to visit my web site and check out DreamSpinner, the software program I will be describing. http://www.spinner-soft.com. The site was recently revised and is full of exciting interactive things you can do. Check us out! In this column I shall describe, over time, how to use the computer's power to store, group, analyze and retrieve information from our dreams. DreamSpinner's greatest power is working with long "over time" dream series, although it can work with individual dreams as well. How do metaphor patterns change over time? That is the question that began my journey toward creating DreamSpinner. This month I decided to see what I could learn from a very subtle difference. To get different patterns from things that are very dissimilar would make sense. But what about closely related items. For no particular reason, I decided to run a word frequency count on the single words "smile" and "grin". They are not only single words as opposed to groups of words in a category, but they are both in the same category of "Non Verbal Expressive Communication" sub category "Facial" With so much in common, how then can they give any different kinds of patterns or insights. Well, for starters I think I found more clues on finding the "Trickster" archetype in my dreams, some clear messages about my Sexuality and the wonderful beauty of spirituality. Let's look at the numbers. They will give a general sense or trend. Then we'll dig into the dreams. Out of 1180 linked dreams, only 120 of them had the word "smile" in them. Only 16 had the word "grin " in them. A pretty big difference in my usage of these two words. They seem then not to be interchangeable. Then I realized that some "smile" dreams also had "grins" in them and visa versa. So I created four dream sets to examine. The All Smile and Some Grins set. The All Grins and some smiles set. The Grin only set and the Smile only set. I did a word frequency count for those four dream sets with the following results. Smilegrin GrinSmile SmileOnly grinonly 120 dreams 16 dreams 112 dreams 8 dreams Urination .122 1.66 -0.041 -1.369 Brother .031 1.616 -0.067 1.418 Food- estblshmnt .478 1.077 .438 .478 People- conduits .178 .891 .124 .891 potentiala5.801 -1.491 .801 -1.491 gun parts .719 -1.115 .719 -1.115 fix things .655 -1.349 .655 -1.349 addictions .595 0.595 .595 -.976 Red .03 .58 -0.055 .721 Density- positive .239 .579 .216 1.177 Spiritual .031 .559 0.00 .621 service- work .499 .077 .56 .077 F2 others- to dreamer .308 .471 .287 .203 dogs .471 -1.000 .511 -1.000 incon- gruities .426 .426 .426 .426 guns .421 -1.793 .421 -1.793 Failure .023 .261 .023 .363 Stranger .111 .258 0.089 .258 Density- positive .239 .579 .216 1.177 F2 dreamer- to others .229 .118 .229 .072 Female/- stranger 0 .206 0.023 .154 Female general .032 .206 .032 .151 Aunt .205 -0.795 .229 -0.795 Monsters .205 .776 .107 -0.795 Sexuality .035 .164 .035 .193 Just what the heck do all those numbers have to do with a "trickster" archetype you may well grumble. Let me explain. The numbers you see are called HP factor numbers in statistics, a type of study I usually avoid. It takes the raw numbers of frequencies and converts them into a percentage. I am measuring the base norming set of "All Linked dreams" with the sub dream set. If they measure the same percentage of hits, then the answer is 0. Hence, no statistical difference. Any number represented here in the chart that is over .100 has some statistical relevance. That is because the HP factor takes into consideration the fact that percentages when at the outer edges of the scale have more significance than the percentages in the middle. Therefore, we can use these numbers as a simple way of seeing if there is some differences in patterns within sub dream sets. As it happens, the "Grin Only" and the "Grin & Smile" dream sets were each 8 dreams long. Making them a viable size to examine within this space. The first thing I discovered is that I had some high HP numbers in the Grin Only dream set on interesting things like the color "Red", "Spirituality", "Sexuality". These seem to me to be traits of a trickster. Further, "Female/Stranger and Female General were raised as well. Supposedly in the Jung Archetype literature the Shadow figure is often the same sex as the dreamer. All of them were higher in the "Grin Only" dream set. I surmised that the Trickster is being shown to me in dreams where a "grin" occurred, but no body was "smiling". I also noticed that there was higher incidences of "Service Work", "Guns" "Potential Aggression Level Five (Theft) and "Dogs" in the "Smile Only" dream sets. "Smile Only" dreams tell different stories and point out different lessons than "Grin Only" dreams. Those dreams that have both smiles and grins blend the two and change the shape of the metaphor. I will focus on the Grin metaphor in this column as it is a smaller set and easier to encapsulate. After examining the dream set numbers and reading the dreams below to confirm, I realized that "smile" is a friendly (generally) facial communication . I actually have 5 different types of smiles defined in DreamSpinner, like weak and sad, or genuine friendly, or sarcastic. Grin didn't break down into different types. Grins had special significance. Further they usually happened around some interesting shift of scene or mood. Some excerpt examples from the Grin Only Dream Set.: "...and know it would be wiser if I went over to the other deli to comparison shop. But I am tired and decide to just go with what's here. I feel bad about not checking it out. He says how much were you going to spend? I say maybe 200 dollars. He grins and says no problem I can do that. Maybe it will be 250 dollars. I know this is costing me more, but I don't check it out. I then go out into the hall, trying to find an elevator to get over to the next building without having to take the long way around. I can't find it. I stop into an office where a man and a woman are necking and flirting. I interrupt them and ask. They don't know where it is either. I am frustrated because this will make me even more tired." In this example, the trickster slows me down long enough for me to encounter a flirting couple. Perhaps a suggestion of how I might better spend my time? In another example: :... D comes up to me with a silly grin on his face and I say what's with the Kirk Douglas grin? Then I look over next to him on his right and see the real Kirk Douglas. D. had met him in the grocery store and brought him home to meet us. Kirk is interested in me and is flirting..." Again the grinning person is a person bigger than life and points me in the direction of love and fun. Next example: "...Now Paul Newman is going up to bat. I stand directly behind him so close our bodies are touching and I copy all his moves. "I'm playing baseball too" I say. He grins at me. Later, he's seated in the stands and I cuddle and I kiss with him..." Well well. Do we have an interesting pattern going here? Yet another example: ".... I must not give in. A young girl walks toward us innocently. I yell at her "Run, run and get father" If only I can resist until Father comes to save me. The man grins and waits for me..." More examples: ".... I see a small 4 month old baby. I go over and pick it up and cuddle it. An 8 year old girl sees me and says I don't mind if she's going to be with my daddy, but she doesn't have to pick up the baby without permission! I didn't hear her and I go to the man and say look at this cute baby. The man grins because its his baby. I say you can hold it. I hope it isn't afraid of you. I'll finish typing the letter and you hold the baby. He agrees. As I'm typing, or trying to, the girl comes up to her daddy and says "It's OK. I like her." He shushes her, embarrassed and I did hear this time and now realize what's going on. He suggests we finish at his house...." And now for something a little different: "...I get into a car. J S is driving. We are unsure where the fair is but think it's to the right. J. suddenly grins and starts driving backwards up hill. I say oh, did you figure out where the fair is? The scene changes. We are in an outdoor scene but it is all enclosed in a sky-scraper kind of building. There is an ocean and I watch as the water is being sucked way, way out to sea. Now, there's trouble, because that means we're about to experience a tidal wave..." And here is a completely different example: "...I plug a yellow round wire end into a tiny yellow hole, and the same with a black one and then I hesitate with the pink one and R says, yes, that's right, you've got it. I grin and say, I only watched it being done before. It's hard to remember how to do things unless you do them yourself. He agrees..." Are the Grins in the Grin and Smile dream set the same or different?? Let's look. ".... A woman stands right in front of me and opens her dress completely like it was a robe. I stare at her naked fat body and then turn my eyes away. I am repulsed by her fatness. She is grinning at me. Then she has underwear on. She closes her dress and is inspecting all the things in the house. Some General is around and wants to know. I show her D's room. ..D smiles, not concerned." ".... I say to D , it looks like I'd better always wear a dress under this thing, after all, my boyfriend is disabled, but he's not blind. A group of young women burst out laughing at my amusing joke. I grin and stroll on..." ".... I walk in to see a couple on the floor almost starting to make love. They stop abruptly at my entrance. I smile and say just a moment. Sorry. I need to get some clothes. ...Now I leave the room, thinking I should probably take the one chest of drawers that is mine and its contents back up to where I was. I feel tired and decide not to. I don't need that stuff anyway. The couple is very glad I'm leaving but pretending to be polite. I say as I walk out the door. I'm not stupid, you know. They grin. (I think there were mentally retarded people upstairs I was working with)" "... I smile and call out "Remember, you make the rules." My division" sees me and they call out happily, "Bjo, Bjo" I grin and wave." ".... You almost killed me. He smiles and shrugs. I say give me your name and insurance. He gives me a card. I say I'll bet this is the wrong phone number. He grins. I say I'll take your license number. It is RE 7-12. I memorize it and then walk toward school. As I near the door, I see him walking, whistling happily behind me. I say sarcastically, here, allow me and open the door for him. He shrugs and accepts. As we walk in, he says, you aren't ever going to forgive me, are you? He sounds upset like he doesn't understand why I'd hold a grudge on such a minor thing." "...A pouch with a banana is handed to me. I get sexually excited, aggressively, powerfully so. I grin and pull 2 legs out of the pouch and the banana turns into a penis. I want it bad...." "...Then I looked up and a large black lion was running toward me. I got a little scared. and lay down on the path on my back so the lion wouldn't see me and hurt me. He ran close to me and around me and I was very tense. Then there was a second one with a black head and checkered body. They finally left. I got up and ran some more. A girl went by and said, "When you want your replacement, just let them know. I grinned. I decided I was going to go to the finish..." "...He teases me because he knows I want to marry this guy. I think, hum. It could be interesting if we married, like a challenge to get him to love me. I then tell D the car is his. He grins and gets into the driver's seat. We start going. I grab at Styrofoam cup with coffee, cigs, ashtray, etc. Put them in my lap. I am sitting on car seat that is sideways to the rest of the seats. Hot wax (pink) spills on my pants leg..." These are dreams that span over 20 years. The use of the metaphor doesn't seem to change.Here are the dreams in full. Play with them. See what you come up with. Feel free to email me at dreambjo@hotmail.com with your comments. Grin and Smile Dreams 9/13/98 Flying Dolphins, Cathedral Grapes I am in a house. I think my brother D. lives there also. I notice it is raining very hard. I walk over to a window to see the downpour when I am suddenly aware of the courtyard and how beautiful it is. A canopy of grape vines like a cathedral ceiling. I look to see if there are grapes. Big nice ones, some so big they look like electric light bulbs. What abundance I had with me and I never noticed before. Then I look higher to see two transparent glass like dolphins leaping and arching over the top of this grape vine structure. They are so graceful and beautiful. I go back into the house. A woman stands right in front of me and opens her dress completely like it was a robe. I stare at her naked fat body and then turn my eyes away. I am repulsed by her fatness. She is grinning at me. Then she has underwear on. She closes her dress and is inspecting all the things in the house. Some General is around and wants to know. I show her D's room. I am uppity and joke around about being a spy. I don't like their attitudes. Now a young man is talking to D who is soaking in a pool. He explains he deliberately let the demons out to hunt D and he's really sorry. D smiles, not concerned. 9/24/96 He's disabled, not blind I am walking around a sort of track and field shaped area. It's a store. I need to go pee and find a bath room. I sit and pee and pee, but can't get relief. I hear the loud sound of peeing and feel the pee going down my leg. I get up, a bit uncomfortable about all that urine all over my dress and in my moccasins. I walk on. I see a deli counter, sort of a Safeway Bakery. I find a bag of rolls or muffins and decide to get one. I read the ingredients to make sure there is no sugar in them. I continue strolling. As I walk, I nearly step on the end row boat of a string of them. It is a rowing team. J C, G's J is learning to row and is lying down on his back in the last boat (like it's a train of them) I smile and apologize for nearly stepping on him. I think I embarrassed him and feel bad about that. I choose a sweater to buy. I put it on and notice it is quite huge. Longer than my dress. I see DM and she has a sweater like it. It is pink knit, half sleeves, I notice I can see my dress underneath the sweater. D is telling me how she fought with the telephone company over a one thousand dollar bill and they agreed to remove 300 dollars of it. She was quite proud of that. I congratulate her. I say to D, it looks like I'd better always wear a dress under this thing, after all, my boyfriend is disabled, but he's not blind. A group of young women burst out laughing at my amusing joke. I grin and stroll on. I still have to pee so as I am walking I pee down my leg. I am a bit embarrassed about the urine smell and being in public. I sit at a caf‚ table and three men join me, I continue peeing, hoping they don't notice. 9/28/95 I want to change my clothes so I go. I want to change my clothes so I go down a series of flights of stairs to a room. where I had stored some clothes. I walk in to see a couple on the floor almost starting to make love. They stop abruptly at my entrance. I smile and say just a moment. Sorry. I need to get some clothes. They smile and say no problem, but of course I know they can't wait for me to leave so they can get on with it. I open drawer after drawer and can only find summery clothes from Mexico, gauzy material, bright colors, a bit revealing and sexy. I am aware I am too fat to wear them. I check the next chest of drawers and find them full of papers and Kodak film boxes. Nothing to wear, oh well. Now it is time to leave and at the last minute I decide to clean up some mess I've left. paper scraps, some tiny knitted or crocheted stocking hats, tiny yarn doll bodies and so on. Now I leave the room, thinking I should probably take the one chest of drawers that is mine and its contents back up to where I was. I feel tired and decide not to. I don't need that stuff anyway. The couple is very glad I'm leaving but pretending to be polite. I say as I walk out the door. I'm not stupid, you know. They grin. (I think there were mentally retarded people upstairs I was working with) 8/21/89 Remember You Make The Rules I'm going out to meet my "division". Another group is waiting to go out. I pass them. They look uncertain and envious of me. I smile and call out "Remember, you make the rules." My division" sees me and they call out happily, "Bjo, Bjo" I grin and wave. 9/27/87 Hello goodbye I see S. He smiles and comes over to me. I can see he is going to kiss me. I say no as he bends me over in a romantic dip. He smiles and kisses me anyway. It is pleasant. I pull away and say I have work to do. Now, go away. That was a good bye kiss. He grins and says if that's a goodbye kiss then I can't wait to say hello! 9/9/82 How come you're mad, cause I killed you?A famous woman like India's prime minister is walking down the street. She sees a car with a man in it and then a car with a woman in it. She has a premonition that the man will try to run over her and the woman will save her. As it starts to happen I am her. I see the car coming at me and I throw myself up against a wall in defeat because I'm trapped. Then I think oh how awful and turn around in the nick of time and leap straight up seconds before he hits me. I roll over the top of the car. I yell at him. You almost killed me. He smiles and shrugs. I say give me your name and insurance. He gives me a card. I say I'll bet this is the wrong phone number. He grins. I say I'll take your license number. It is RE 7-12. I memorize it and then walk toward school. As I near the door, I see him walking, whistling happily behind me. I say sarcastically, here, allow me and open the door for him. He shrugs and accepts. As we walk in, he says, you aren't ever going to forgive me, are you? He sounds upset like he doesn't understand why I'd hold a grudge on such a minor thing. 11/16/80 Freudian banana nightmare Fear on bed, in bedroom, rising up the curtain like in an elevator, but I'm not. As I'm going down I get more fearful. There is a hole in the curtain and outside the hole is a cage, but my fear of it is like its a Nazi concentration camp. I scream because I'm going to be pushed out of the window into the cage. I push myself backwards. It was a weak push but I fall back hard, fall across the room, move furniture as I fall so I won't get hurt and land on floor at foot of bed. 2 children in the bedroom, a little boy and a little girl. A pouch with a banana is handed to me. I get sexually excited, aggressively, powerfully so. I grin and pull 2 legs out of the pouch and the banana turns into a penis. I want it bad. I kick the little girl out of the way. I place the penis in me and can feel it, real. I hold the man tight and the closer I get to orgasm, the fiercer I am. Then I see a "picture" of our faces. I'm smiling, really into it. He's smiling because it gives him joy to see me feel so good (fierce intense smiles). As I start to have orgasm, a little boy was screaming, "Daddy. Daddy, don't" 2 policemen came in. I can't talk. I try to but can't. Want to finish. Can hear the screams. Feels like a nightmare. 11/7/80 Running the race and winning I was in a marathon road race. I was back in Mac, wearing a cute cheerleader outfit. My running partner was R, an old high school girl friend. I was exhilarated because I was in this race. I figured I wouldn't finish but at least I could do a segment and then someone else would finish for me. We ran through the paths on Linfield College campus. It was pretty, I was pretty and I didn't hurt. Other girls in the race were amazed at me that I could run. It felt good. We stopped at my old dorm for a drink of water. I looked in at my old room. A man was there. He came out for a chat. Then I remembered the race and we went on. I went on, feeling a little slowed up by R but not too annoyed because I enjoyed being where I was. Then I looked up and a large black lion was running toward me. I got a little scared. and lay down on the path on my back so the lion wouldn't see me and hurt me. He ran close to me and around me and I was very tense. Then there was a second one with a black head and checkered body. They finally left. I got up and ran some more. A girl went by and said, "When you want your replacement, just let them know. I grinned. I decided I was going to go to the finish. R was slowing me up. I was annoyed now and keep asking her to pick up her pace. I lengthen my strides. It's hard work now, but I do it. We get to the downtown section of Mac. We are near the finish. We then go through the old grade school. Can't find the door out. I think I know where it is, but it's gone now. So then we find it. Then I see a store. A man is there. He's the owner of it. I go on. At this point I'm lost. Can't find the finish. Get angry and anxious. See an information booth. They are having a bake sale. I ask a woman there for directions. She pulls out pamphlets and we talk. I feel time passing. She says, Ah, you need to go to Rose's place (a drug store cafe) So I say, "OK, R, Let's go. If you can't keep up, I'm going on without you. Now time and the race are more important than her or the enjoyment or the nostalgic surroundings. I run. Get almost to the finish. I run down a hall. Just before I turn left into a door, There's a bed. DB is there, in the bed, laying down and moaning. She's drunk and incoherent. I look at her and then go though the door. Turn right down a short hall. The other girls who have finished the race are there, resting, talking, one (S, I think) smiles. I say, "Where's the finish line?" She points back into the room at a silk cloth item with a Valentine's heart on it and pockets. "Touch that," she says. I do, I am weary and glad that I had finished the whole race. Grin Only dreams 1/2/2000 C won't rehearse I am preparing for a presentation. C is supposed to play a character in the presentation and Sh is supposed to get the food ready for the buffet. Both show up together, late. I am trying to explain to C that she needs to have her lines memorized. She doesn't want to do that. She wants to carry a sheet of paper with them written on it. I explain how that will not be professional and besides it will make the show not as good. She just doesn't want to do the work involved to do it right. Meanwhile I am trying to show Sh the map of buildings across the street where she needs to go to get the food for the buffet. It is Paul Muni's deli. She can't seem to get it. I walk with her and am still talking with C about how much better it would be if she'd rehearse. I find a deli counter and see Paul Reisner. I ask him where the other deli is and he says why bother, he has everything here. I try and ask him how much and know it would be wiser if I went over to the other deli to comparison shop. But I am tired and decide to just go with what's here. I feel bad about not checking it out. He says how much were you going to spend? I say maybe 200 dollars. He grins and says no problem I can do that. Maybe it will be 250 dollars. I know this is costing me more, but I don't check it out. I then go out into the hall, trying to find an elevator to get over to the next building without having to take the long way around. I can't find it. I stop into an office where a man and a woman are necking and flirting. I interrupt them and ask. They don't know where it is either. I am frustrated because this will make me even more tired. 9/20/96 R is helpful R is seated at my computer and working on something to help me get things straightened out. I am at the back of the computer looking at the connections. Something needs to be plugged in again and he says he will do it for me and I say, "No, I need to learn to do it." I plug a yellow round wire end into a tiny yellow hole, and the same with a black one and then I hesitate with the pink one and R says, yes, that's right, you've got it. I grin and say, I only watched it being done before. It's hard to remember how to do things unless you do them yourself. He agrees. I then find my wheelchair which is sort of folded up like a manual. I struggle to unfold it myself. The back pack, or recharger is stuck and reaches over and unhooks it so I can continue. 4/16/95 I am at D2's house I am in D2's house and it is dream group time. I see a woman standing with her back to me and I say "Hi, L" she turns and it isn't L. I feel embarrassed, especially since that might make D2 know I was thinking about him and L. D2 decides to go to the grocery store. Then an overweight man sits on the couch and I sit next to him and then SH comes and sits on my right. It's very cozy. I am explaining to them what we did at the last meeting that they had missed. I am telling them and then I ask for my notes. D2 is back and he hands me my note pad. I open it and laugh realizing that I thought I'd written words but I had only drawn pictures to remind me. That's not going to help the people who weren't there. Then I pick up another note pad and see writing. I try to read it but I see I've only written a few words or phrases to remind me. One says "three strikes and you're out" then a space and then two words, "jerk" and another word. I say to the overweight man, I can't remember what this was about. D2 comes up to me with a silly grin on his face and I say what's with the Kirk Douglas grin? Then I look over next to him on his right and see the real Kirk Douglas. D2 had met him in the grocery store and brought him home to meet us. Kirk is interested in me and is flirting. D2 is a little jealous of that and of how I let those two men sit so close to me on the couch. 12/12/89 Sexy Baseball game A baseball game is in progress. I'm in the stands watching. A guy has a box of balls, one has a pumpkin in it that weights it so he can cheat. He's very careful to protect it so no one will know. Then he decides to nonchalantly bounce it around (looks like a small basketball) but he drops it in a pile of other balls and a boy grabs it and runs off. I say "It was the redhead. I'll watch for him." Now Paul Newman is going up to bat. I stand directly behind him so close our bodies are touching and I copy all his moves. "I'm playing baseball too" I say. He grins at me. Later, he's seated in the stands and I cuddle and I kiss with him. I touch his lips and say "only my lipstick." He teases me by pretending he might kiss someone else and I possessively grab him and kiss him long and sweet to keep him to me. He's aroused and we lie down. I am stroking his very hairy arm which is down by his waist so that it's almost like his penis only furry from the amount of arm hairs. He does have a hard one and I feel good because I "have" him. 12/7/89 Resisting Sexual Desire A man (like S) rubs a thick cream on my right thigh. As it soaks in, I am nearly overcome with sexual desire but I fight it valiantly. I must not give in. A young girl walks toward us innocently. I yell at her "Run, run and get father" If only I can resist until Father comes to save me. The man grins and waits for me. 9/11/89 Angel helps me connect with man I'm in a church. 4 of us are the "elders" who take the wine sacraments to the congregation. We stand facing each other in a square and bow our heads so the minister can pray over us. As he does, a beautiful angel comes and puts its wing over my shoulder and whispers to me. It is telling me I'm going to have a good relationship with the guy opposite me, a nice quiet family man. I am, of course, quite shocked to be having an angel talking to me and can't concentrate on my job. The little wine glasses jiggle and tremble and I spill wine in the tray. He helps me clean it up. As we walk back up the aisle. He helps me carry the tray so we don't spill anymore. We go to the kitchen area and pour off the spilt wine in a cup. I suggest we take it to the vestry as it is blessed wine. Then we go to the handshaking line and its too late, everyone's gone through (we are supposed to stand with the minister and shake hands with the departing people) so he starts typing a letter. I see a small 4 month old baby. I go over and pick it up and cuddle it. An 8 year old girl sees me and says I don't mind if she's going to be with my daddy, but she doesn't have to pick up the baby without permission! I didn't hear her and I go to the man and say look at this cute baby. The man grins because its his baby. I say you can hold it. I hope it isn't afraid of you. I'll finish typing the letter and you hold the baby. He agrees. As I'm typing, or trying to, the girl comes up to her daddy and says "It's OK. I like her." He shushes her, embarrassed and I did hear this time and now realize what's going on. He suggests we finish at his house. As he's cooking a turkey and doesn't know how, maybe I could help? 9/23/87 Outside or Inside Hello again! Dream cycle has started I go into a woman's house. She has large white onyx cat statues all over her house. One is glued to the drapes as though he is walking down the drapes, head first. I am amazed they can do that, it being so heavy. I see two cat statues curled up under a table, they are the same as the ones under my TV. She also has pretty red and ornate vases. The woman approaches me and asks angrily, "Why are you in my house?" I answer embarrassed that I was looking at garage sales and stopped to admire her lovely cats and vases. She coldly tells me that she's not having a garage sale. So, I leave, asking her if she knows the way to the county fair. She doesn't know. I get into a car. J S is driving. We are unsure where the fair is but think it's to the right. J suddenly grins and starts driving backwards up hill. I say oh, did you figure out where the fair is? The scene changes. We are in an outdoor scene but it is all enclosed in a sky-scraper kind of building. There is an ocean and I watch as the water is being sucked way, way out to sea. Now, there's trouble, because that means we're about to experience a tidal wave. I see it coming and run for high ground, scrambling over rocks. I then keep climbing up, sometimes rocks, sometimes stairs. I need to find the car, which I can't see, but know it's somewhere. I will it to be there and see a small toy car under a table. I then get in it, it's regular size now, I drive down the stairs looking for the first floor exit. I see windows and look out. I see large expanses of flooded land and a car driving down a road. I ask someone how to get there. They say why bother, you can't go far anyway because of the flooding. 2/25/80 Relationships not going well Some heavy journey in a wilderness. Then a young girl in a white satin bride dress comes into my shop. Everything is white. She is snotty, doesn't like me. She then goes into next section of my shop, all white tablecloths, glasses, etc. She sits on red velvet. I think, how beautiful. I then go to get in my car that I have finally gotten from my brother. It's a blue and white '55 Chev with a continental kit. Good shape. It's punch hooked beautifully all over the outside. My brother is (both) are in enormous backseat. He is laughing and saying that the bride's brother doesn't want to marry me but his family will force him to. He teases me because he knows I want to marry this guy. I think, hum. It could be interesting if we married, like a challenge to get him to love me. I then tell D the car is his. He grins and gets into the driver's seat. We start going. I grab at Styrofoam cup with coffee, cigs, ashtray, etc. Put them in my lap. I am sitting on car seat that is sideways to the rest of the seats. Hot wax (pink) spills on my pants leg. D drives us to a turn out on a bridge that over looks the town of the main street. Come on up to my website: http://www.spinner-soft.com and leave some smile or grin dreams. Or any kind of dreams you wish. Leave a comment on others dreams. List the metaphors in your dream and comment on how that metaphor seems to mean to you. Check out what others think that same metaphor means to you. It's yet another dream group online. See you next month. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Exploring Dreams through the I Ching Hilary Barrett, Clarity =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= The Dream The Train Station by Miroshu I am now 24 and I can say I have been having this dream consistently for at most 20 years. I am always trapped in a train station either taking the trains in the wrong direction or missing the trains completely, or trying to get to the right train. By the way it is not always the same train station and I ride the train almost daily in my "real life". In my dreams the stations never appear as they really are in "real life" but are close enough. I have a naturally good sense of direction in "real life", I can be somewhere once and go there again without thinking about where I have to go my body just leads me and I know the subway systems very well but in my dreams it is a totally different story. In my dreams when I receive advice from other passengers it gets me into more trouble when trying to get out of the station. Basically my goal is to leave, get out of the train station but I never seem to make it. I take the stairs only to find that I am in another area of the station. I am usually by myself sometimes with my sisters, or my best friend or my boyfriend. I almost made it out one time I got out but I was not were I wanted to be so I had to go back again in the damn train station. I am so annoyed. I need to figure it out cause I need to get out of the train station for good. I think this may have to do with the decisions in my life but I am not that sure because this is a dream that I have been having since I was a little girl. I really have no clue where I am trying to go. The I Ching's answer: Learning to command your potential The I Ching's perspective on this recurring dream both explains what it is showing you, and also sets this experience in a wider context, showing you what you will need to achieve to get out of that station! It begins with hexagram 4, Learning, which tells you why you find yourself trapped in the station. You are still learning, still ignorant, like a growing plant that is covered over. The cover means things are hidden from you: this mirrors the dream image of being caught underground, unable to find the way up, out of the station and into the daylight. But a cover can also be useful, as a way of protecting and nurturing hidden growth. The Judgement (main text) of Hexagram 4 shows this at work. A teacher is speaking: 'Learning, growth. I do not seek the young learner, the young learner seeks me. To ask once brings you insight; to ask two or three times brings only confusion, not insight. You benefit from determination.' In other words, you receive answers only when you are ready, which is why asking your fellow passengers for directions gets you nowhere. I suspect that you've revealed the heart of the situation yourself in your comments: 'I really have no clue where I am trying to go.' A station offers you many choices of route, and many exits onto different streets in the 'real world' above - it is where you choose your future direction. If you're not sure where you want to go, you won't be able to leave the station. In fact, this image is an indication that you have set off - your journey is underway. In the I Ching, Hexagram 3 represents birth, and hexagram 4 the next stage - growth and learning. In some ways, this stage is more difficult: 'Birth: clear vision, not losing your grip on your dwelling place. Learning: disorder, obvious.' Enlightenment comes later - but once you have left your dwelling place and moved out into the world, your first experience is naturally of confusion. Your situation is pinpointed by just one moving line, line 6: 'Striking the learner. Violence is no use; useful to resist violence.' This, I think, expresses your current state of frustration. You keep having the same dream, and you are understandably annoyed at being stuck in 'the damn train station'! In other words, you are hitting out at your own ignorance. The I Ching acknowledges your irritation, but also warns that it won't get you anywhere. The way things can change is depicted by the inner Pattern of Change, hexagram 43, Deciding: 'Decision. Declaring it in the ruler's chambers, crying out with sincerity. Danger. Notify your own capital city. It is no use to take up arms; it is beneficial to have a direction to go.' So your intuition about your dream is quite right: this has to do with decisions. When you first dreamt it as a child, important decisions were being made for you; now, you have the chance to take them for yourself. The next stage is to decide where you want to go: this is the fork in the path, and following one route means ruling out other possibilities. Then you can bring this decision into the open - being clear in your own mind, and then open and firm with other people. Once again, overt aggression ('taking up arms') is of no use. The wider context for all this is shown in the Relating Hexagram: 7, the Army. This hexagram is not about attacking, but about organising potential to make it useful in practice. The Chinese 'army' was actually just the mass of common people, not a separate group: the strength of the country was hidden in the people, like an underground river. This offers you a new perspective on the things that are hidden from you - they can include underground currents of strength, and maybe aggression. This mass of unorganised potential calls for you to become a strong leader, embracing all parts of yourself, taking responsibility for your own potential and managing it like a general, or a great teacher. Find your most important principles - like a general finding his ruler - and organise your life around them. The Nuclear Hexagram for both Hexagrams 4 and 7 is 24, Return. This is the potential at the heart of both learning and of taking responsibility: renewal, and a return to fundamentals. It can also mean a turning point, when you rediscover the right path for you. This is the hexagram of the winter solstice: the darkest time is also when the light begins imperceptibly to return. But the solstice was a time for rest, not for travelling. It may be that a large part of what you have to do here is simply wait for the understanding, growth and light that will make it possible to move on. *********************************************************** The I Ching is the ancient Chinese oracle of change. For a hundred generations, it has been answering people's questions, from dream interpretation to career decisions, across the whole spectrum of human experience. I have been learning from the I Ching for many years, and founded Clarity, a dedicated I Ching consultation service, to make the oracle's help readily and simply available to all who need it. Hilary Barrett. Please send comments or questions to support@onlineClarity.co.uk www.onlineClarity.co.uk *********************************************************** =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Cyberwork: The archetypal imagination in new realms of ensoulment by Cliff Bostock =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ----------------------------------------------------------- This paper actually reworks some of the ideas in an earlier paper I wrote here called "Cyberspace: Shadow of the Cultural Imagination?" It was inspired by a meeting between my class at Pacifica Graduate Institute and James Hillman. Reprinted by Permission of Cliff Bostock from: http://www.soulworks.net/writings/essays/site_058.html ----------------------------------------------------------- "The persons I engage with in dreams are neither representations (simulacra) of their living selves nor parts of myself. They are shadow images that fill archetypal roles; they are personae, masks, in the hollow of which is a numen." -- James Hillman (1979, p. 60) "Are the gods bytes?" --A comment on the "ContraDiogenes" site of the World Wide Web. Do the gods occupy cyberspace? Can soul be constructed in virtual reality? In this paper my intention is to make a few observations about images and cyberspace (or virtual reality) from the perspective of archetypal psychology. My curiosity about this subject is personal and intellectual. I have inhabited cyberspace over 10 years but have long been aware of a kind of self-reproach for my participation in the medium - similar, I think, to the kind of embarrassment people often bring to their television viewing. At the same time, I have been irritated by what I've come to call "archetypal Luddites," psychologists, particularly Jungians, who dismiss the medium as another soul-destroying inflection of technology. Over the years, I have myself waffled between the extremes - internet junkie and Luddite. I journey into cyberspace and then flee it, condemning it with every breath, for months at a time always returning. Ultimately, the tension has led me to the question of what I am resisting in my habitation of cyberspace, which I would like to define psychologically at the outset as a world of mechanically generated images. In some ways, this paper represents recanting of some of my own positions - or at least an effort to situate myself with more clarity in cyberspace. It is also an effort to establish some kind of rapprochement between cyber thinking and the archetypal imagination. This is important to me because among the archetypal Luddites seems to be James Hillman himself. I have heard him dismiss cyberspace in public talks. The quality of images The dismissal of cyberspace by so many archetypal psychologists intrigues me because, as I said, the medium is purely imagistic and, according to the Hillmanian view, images are the foundation of psyche. Of course, images have varying character. Images can be degraded in their representation and, certainly, the images in cyberspace vary wildly in that respect. But one does not dismiss all art on the basis of bad painting. A little background in Hillman's orientation to images is necessary here before proceeding to anything like an archetypal overview of cyberspace. For Hillman, a "good" image actually has nothing to do with formal aesthetics. It is one that temporarily arrests the movement of psychic process and, like an alchemical drawing, expresses in metaphorical language a personification that can be psychologized, "seen through" to its ideational or archetypal/mythological significance. It opens to the numinous. "Stick to the image!" he repeatedly warns us, quoting the dictum of Rafael Lopez-Pedraza that has become central to Archetypal Psychology. Whether in dream, in fantasy or in the gazing at art, he told us in class, we must not symbolize the image but respect its particularity. The image, according to Hillman, is inhabited in its depths by a god and has telos. The image's movement expresses the telos, a kind of manifestation of the god within, and it is followed, not interpreted, with varying skill in the analytical process. Origins are beside the point, he told our class at Pacifica. He writes that the image, although it is a snapshot of a personally inflected archetypal process, is not static. He quotes Ezra Pound: " the image is more than an idea. It is a vortex or cluster of fused ideas and is endowed with energy .a vortex, from which and through which and into which, ideas are constantly rushing." ( 1989, p. 264) Borrowing Freud's word "dreamwork," Hillman compares the creation of dream images to the work of a bricoleur (1979, p. 127), a cobbling together in the psyche of the images, expressions of archetypal process, that are actually the construction of soul. He extends this analogy to all images. And while this process is one of the psyche, it is an interiorizing process, not a strictly interior one in the sense that it orginates and is contained there. The image or its seed is interiorized by the personal psyche (of the dreamer, the painter, the fantasizer) and worked (or played with) but its numen arises and reopens to the world. The numen belongs, in fact, to anima mundi, the soul of the world, according to Hillman, and thus, following Keats, we construct not just personal soul but world soul, which by the definition of its construction here is shifting and forever changing. (This is highly reminiscent of Jung's statements after his encounters at Taos.) This latter observation about the shifting quality of world soul is important. It is a point of significant departure for Hillman from the Platonic point of view, which includes Henry Corbin's theorizing of the mundus imaginalis. In this view the telos of images is to recover their genesis in the realm of ideal imaginal forms. Hillman rejects that origins- preoccupied point of view but the nominalist one as well (1975, p. 8). For him, world soul is adverbial and verbal. The longing is more important than its object. Since the image, the picture of soul, is a vortex in its function, so must the soul be. This is, of course, a postmodern view - but one that oddly grounds itself linguistically in the Platonic tradition. The leap from the Platonic to the postmodern and back again is nothing he denies: "I have spent 30 years at dismemberment the pearls not the rope. Dionysos the Loosener. It's not logical, yet it's true." (1989, p. 61). This self-contented leap from paradigm to paradigm, this Dionysian loosening without thought to the inconsistency and the chaos, nevertheless has resulted in volumes of revelations that really do open upon the numinous. And this process brings to mind the words of an earlier thinker, Marshall McLuhan: "The medium is the message." In other words, the image's arising is more important than its content. The "ah-ha" or the gasp on its viewing is what opens us to the numen, not a deciphering of symbolic meanings or even a fixed metaphorical referent. This in fact - the gasp, the sound of arrest - is what signifies an authentic image. Marshall McLuhan and the body On the surface, everything that Hillman values seems to be true of cyberspace. There, through hyperlinks, images arise and morph. Some images, if not the majority, are certainly banal and do not arrest us for any longer than it takes to click on the next link. Still, one often clicks on an image that is like the vortex Pound describes: a center through which pours all manner of thoughts. But more to the point, the lived experience of browsing is different from the penetration of its individual images - just as the act of stepping into a dream as a total gestalt is different from the encounter with its individual images. (And the appearance of cartoon-like images in postmodern dreams is surely ubiquitous.) Multiplied over time, the viewing of images in a session of "browsing" the World Wide Web produces an experience of fascination that is like a virtual or digital poeisis. The imagination is seized and in browsing, the metamorphic movement through imaginal space (telos of the mouse), mood is altered, meanings are constellated, experience is affected. This can involve sinking into a world of visual, aural and written images. It is very much like Hillman's "seeing through." The fact that these images are mechanically generated seems to be at the heart of many critics' objections - as though soul is banished from technology. In Marshall McLuhan's seminal writing about electronic media, prior to the advent of the internet as global phenomenon, we find some explicit statements about the differences in images that arise in dream or fantasy and in electronic media. They help explain the profusion of banality in cyberspace, constituting a kind of apologia, but may be an answer to the usual critique. McLuhan wrote, with Wilfred Watson, a little known book, now out of print, called _From Clich‚ to Archetype_ (partially excerpted in McLuhan 1995). It is a book of essays in which the media philosopher examines Jung and the cultural imagination. McLuhan observes, writing about the effect of television and other electronic media, two main effects. One is disembodiment. In this view, the cyber inhabitant has forsaken his body. He travels through space and time without a body. McLuhan generalized this to the culture: As electric media proliferate, whole societies at a time become discarnate, detached from mere bodily or physical 'reality' and relieved of any allegiance to or a sense of responsibility for it...The alteration of human identity by new service environments of information has left whole populations without personal or community values..." (McLuhan, p. 379). The assumption here, obviously, is that values (and feelings!) arise in sensory experience of the real world. One experiences the ecology and thus has some sense of responsibility for it. To cut oneself off from that is, to his mind, to affect the sense of responsibility. However, McLuhan is operating without any kind of meta-process other than media. For him, there is no soul to extend itself, even redemptively, into media. Interestingly, Robert Sardello, one of Hillman's early influences shares the same concerns and has written at length about them (1992, 1995). In Sardello's view, technology can be ensouled but he insists on the withdrawal of "salvational fantasies" for the same reason: that technology disembodies us. One suspects that Hillman himself shares this point of view, since, as indicated above, his revelations are nonrational. His recent writing and his participation in the mythopoetic men's movement point to an increasing consideration of the sensory body and non-rational process. My response to this is that it simply ignores what is. Technology, as McLuhan noted too, does not just disembody us. It extends (and accelerates) the body, even as it produces the experience of disembodiment. In pedestrian ways this is experienced as a lack of emotional inflection in the absence of vocal tone and physical gesture in cyber chatting. People often "misread" one another. But the very suppression of these sensory cues, to say nothing of a very superficial anonymity, also heightens vulnerability and intimacy. Thus the constant stories like the recent one of the sailor who disclosed his homosexuality in cyberspace, resulting in his discharge from the Navy. Eros drenches every corner of cyberspace. It is filled with millions of erotic self-portraits of ordinary people - something that probably is unique in history. Romances, platonic and sexual, are conducted in cyberspace. "Cybersex" and "virtual sex" describe new styles of lovemaking. For the average person, this is what cyberspace concerns. I find this fascinating in light of Hillman's repeated statements that Aphrodite brings the world forms, its images, into existence. It is Aphrodite's touch that ensouls . And so it is not the purely sexual that is significant in this consideration, but that the erotic, as image- production, is erupting and birthing itself in cyberspace. Thus it is not that cyberspace disembodies us. Instead, it gives rise to a new imaginal body: the cyberbody, as erotic as our physical bodies. In the view of many ecologists, the planet has already passed the point when its health can be fully recovered. Thus, it occurs to me that the body that is birthing itself in cyberspace may in part represent destiny: a kind of cyborg that fuses machine with body. Although we demonize this notion in our nostalgia for a healthy planet, it may be our only chance of survival. Further, several scholars, including Pierre Levy (1997) and Jennifer Cobb (1998) wonder if a collective and self-reflective intelligence - god or the anima mundi? - isn't embodying itself in cyberspace. Cobb imagines cyberspace as the evolution of Teilhard de Chardin's metasynthesis of mind and matter into a collective intelligence. Levy imagines something like the Islamic collective mind documented by Corbin, but with less fixed forms. If archetypal psychology does not turn its lens upon the cyberbody, it may well be turning its back on the future. The numen hidden in the hollow of the cyber persona may be our collective daimon attempting incarnation. McLuhan and the archetypal imagination Let us say that the cyberbody represents the future. Let us even agree that the process of occupying cyberspace, browsing, may be more important than the contents viewed because something "other" is constellated in the imagination: a new form of the vortex. (And I stress that it is the dialogic property of the experience - not the image itself - that constellates the new form. Thus the argument that the images are generated by another intelligence in the first place is irrelevant. So are the images arising in the collective psyche and interiorized by the dream ego.) But we are still left with the nagging reality of cyberspace's actual imagistic banality. This is a genuine concern. When you consider that McLuhan was primarily writing about television and you look at its wasteland of cliches, it is hard to reconcile oneself to the idea that the archetypal is arising there, no matter how much you dwell on process instead of content - the medium rather than the particular message. McLuhan, alas, does little to relieve us of our anxieties in this respect but he certainly prefigures the way popular culture and the fine arts have been conflated in the postmodern critic's evaluation. (See Camille Paglia, blazing a dubious trail to what one would have to call "Jungian libertarianism.") In McLuhan's reading of the archetypes, they actually are cliches. He sees them, like Hillman as inhabited by gods. But he calls them imagistic cliches of desacralized tribal gods. The archetypes, he writes, are personifications understood in their own cultures to have valid moral and spiritual exegeses. But over time they become desacralized, as they were in Greece. Then they are retrieved by, say, the Romans, and later still, by Renaissance-era scholars and artists. In this process, he writes, these images become increasingly reductive, until they become clich‚-like in their content as well as their appearance. This, he says, is the process of media. On the other hand, he says, the image-as-clich‚ retains its archetypal ground. In fact, he argues, an image cannot retain its archetypal ground unless it becomes a clich‚ understandable to the culture to which it has moved. (Obviously, media move images across cultures.) He writes: "Is it not natural than, as any form becomes environmental it should select as 'content' the most common and vulgar of materials As any form becomes environmental, it tends to be soporific. That is why its content must also become innocuous in order to match the effects of the medium." (p. 338). In McLuhan's view, it is job of the artist - and we might say of the depth psychologist - to reveal the dialect between old and emerging forms, to keep the numinous meaning from sinking into cyberspace's unconscious. (The medium has enormous shadow. Thus the Heaven's Gate cyber cult was able to announce its suicide three weeks in advance and never be taken seriously.) Although this attention to banal images may offend the proponents of classic formal aesthetics, it again seems to be the future of culture - not just in cyberspace but wherever ideas are being discussed in deconstructive ways. I count it as another of Hillman's odd paradigmatic leaps that he seems on the one hand to insist on seeing through to the beauty of soul's pathologizing nature in personal symptomology, even though most symptoms now can be reduced to diagnosis (a kind of clich‚). But he is less willing to penetrate the oddity of cliches as pathology in the culture. Alchemy, alchemy Finally, I offer alchemy and Goethe's own image of what may be occurring in cyberspace: the emergence of the homunculus, a personified manifestation of the philosopher's stone, a union of the organic and the inorganic. Is this so different from the cyborg of contemporary imagining in virtual reality? Of that small creature constellated in the moment of Faust's brief coniunctio, Edinger writes: "the homunculus signifes the birth of the conscious realization of the autonomous psyche. In dreams it may appear as a doll or statue which comes to life, representing the ego's dawning awareness of a second psychic center, the Self" (p. 62). Perhaps the Self is indeed demanding incarnation in cyberspace. How can we not stick to its image, too? References Bostock, Cliff (1996) "Cyberspace: Shadow of the Cultural Imagination." http://www.soulworks.net/writings/essays/site_017.html Cobb, Jennifer (1998). Cybergrace: The Search for God in the Digital World. New York: Crown. Edginger, Edward (1990) Goethe's Faust: Notes for a Jungian Commentary.Toronto: Inner City Books. Hillman, James (1979). The Dream and The Underworld. New York: Harper and Row. Hillman, James (1989). "Responses." In David Ray Griffin (ed.), Archetypal Process. Evanston: Northwestern University Press. Hillman, James (1975). Revisioning Psychology. New York: Harper Collins. Levy, Pierre (1995). L'intelligence collective: Pour une anthropologie du cyberspace. Paris: Editions La Decouverte. McLuhan, Marshall (1995). Essential McLuhan. Erick McLuhan and Frank Zingrone,eds. New York: Harper Collins. Sardello, Robert (1992). Facing the World with Soul: The Reimagination of Modern Life. Hudson, NY: Lindisfarne Press. Sardello, Robert (1995). Love and the Soul: Creating a Future for the Earth. New York: Harper Collins. Be sure to see ~all~ of the Soulworks Site by Cliff Bostock http://www.soulworks.net/ This site embodies the both the irreverence of the digital generation and the soulfulness of psyberspace. From the Soulworks site: Soulwork is not psychotherapy, although it has evolved partly out of a broad cultural dissatisfaction with therapy. It is a kind of work that restores "psyche" to its original meaning as "soul." The January 1997 issue of the Utne Reader was largely devoted to the evolution of this new approach to learning and personal growth. "A new artistic and spiritual movement has evolved so far beyond...therapy," says the magazine, "that it needs its own name." Maureen O'Hara, former president of the Association for Humanistic Psychology, suggests "soulcraft," "psychopoetics" and "the existential arts." We have chosen "soulwork." Soulwork, although it is a growing cultural movement typified by James Hillman, Thomas Moore and Marion Woodman (just to name three), has ancient roots. The Greeks, the Sufis and the shamans of indigenous cultures all practiced a kind of oracular knowing through the use of the imagination. Carl Jung amplified this by his process of active imagination. Others since Jung have added bodywork, so that material gleaned in the field of the imagination is firmly grounded and resonates completely in the here and now. Soulwork, in short, is the art of living soulfully, from a place of deep imagination but in a fully embodied way, so that you can make a difference in the way you actually conduct your life. Practically speaking, in soulwork we access the deep imagination which has been variously called the "archetypal field," the "spirit," the "soul" through specific assignments and exercises, including breathwork. This work often involves writing, art, music and movement. It is available individually and in ongoing groups and workshops. An important component of this work is that it attempts to help you cultivate soul in the world. It views the inhibitions and blocks to personal growth as more than personal symptoms but as symptoms of the world in which we live. When we access the deep imagination, we are accessing anima mundi, the soul of the world, itself. In that deep place, we find our purpose in being here. Cliff Bostock, MA, 404-525-4774 (Atlanta), offers this work independently and through his association with SoulWorks LLC. <<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||<<<<<<<<<<< =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= CALL FOR ENTRIES * * * Dream Art Exhibition at the 18th Annual Conference of the Association for the Study of Dreams University of California, Santa Cruz * July 10 -15, 2001 Richard Russo =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Eligibility: Original work in any medium about or inspired by dreams. Presentation: All works must be suitably framed and/or ready for display. Works on paper must be framed under glass or Plexiglas. Selection: Each artist may submit up to 10 slides (multiple views or details of the same piece are acceptable where appropriate). Artist's name, title, medium and size of work must appear on each slide. All slides must be 35mm in a 2"x2" cardboard or plastic mount, clearly labeled "front" and "top" and submitted in a plastic slide sheet, accompanied by a stamped, self-addressed return envelope. Entries lacking a SASE will not be returned. Each entry must include a completed and signed entry form. In addition, each entry must include a brief biographical statement, and a brief artist's statement explaining how the work is dream-related. These documents must be printed or typed on 8 1/2 x 11" paper, ready to be inserted into the gallery binder. Any additional comments or personal communications should go in a separate document or cover letter. Fee: There is a non-refundable $10 entry fee for non- ASD members. Checks or money orders (in U.S. funds) should be made payable to ASD. Fees are waved for current ASD members. For membership information, check our web site (www.ASDreams.org) or call the ASD Information Office (1- 925-258-1822). Shipping: Shipping is the sole responsibility of the artists and/or their agents. Artists whose work is accepted will receive detailed shipping instructions. A separate packing list with name, address, phone number, list of works and prices must be included. All works must be picked up from the college or return shipping must be provided and paid for in advance. ASD will assume no responsibility for works not removed by July 15, 2001. Sales: A 20% commission will be charged on all sales during the exhibition. All fees and commissions are used to help fund ASD art exhibitions and events. Liability: All slides and all art works will be handled by experienced personnel and the utmost care taken to guarantee the safety of the work. However, ASD will not be responsible for any loss or damage to the work during shipping or during the exhibition itself. Insurance is the responsibility of the artist. Deadline: All slides and paperwork must be received by Saturday, March 31, 2001. Mail entries to: Richard Russo, ASD Art Exhibition, 835 Peralta Ave., Berkeley, CA 94707. Russo may be reached by email at: RR@well.com <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< G L O B A L D R E A M I N G N E W S February 2001 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< If you have news you'd like to share, contact Peggy Coats, pcoats@dreamtree.com. Visit Global Dreaming News online at http://www.dreamtree.com/News/global.htm. This Month's Features: NEWS - Announcing Patricia Garfield's New Book - Register Now for the Dream Conference - Conference: The Dream in Western Europe 1500-1800 -- Call for entries : Art exhibition for the Association for the Study of Dreams RESEARCH & REQUESTS - Start the New Year Off Right, with Dreams to Guide Your Way WEBSITE & ONLINE UPDATES - Astrology & Dreams - Astro Awareness Now Includes a Dream Section - Book of Dreams - Dutch Dream Center - Group Dreamwork Experiment DREAM CALENDAR for February 2001 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< N E W S <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< >>>> Book Announcement: Patricia Garfield The Universal Dream Key: The 12 Most Common Dream Themes Around the World. Every night, all over the world, sleepers are dreaming the same 12 dreams. The details differ but the same themes recur in every culture, as they have throughout recorded history. This much anticipated book presents a detailed analysis of the many possible meanings of these fundamental dreams, creating a skeleton key to the 12 doors of the dreaming mind.Patricia Garfield, Ph.D. is a worldwide authority on dreams. She is one of the six co-founders of The Association for the Study of Dreams and is the 1998-99 President. Her bestseller Creative Dreaming is considered a classic, available in twelve languages. http://www.patriciagarfield.com Patricia Garfield, Ph.D. Event Schedule: http://www.patriciagarfield.com/idx_schedule.htm >>> Register Now for the Dream Conference The Association for the Study of Dreams conference will be held at UC Santa Cruz July 10-15, 2001. It is shaping up to be an exciting conference and everyone is encouraged to attend. If you would like to make a presentation at the conference be aware that this year's deadline for submissions is November 15. Information on how to submit is below. They already have Jean Shineda Bolen as a key note and will have Strephon Williams, Jeremy Taylor, Gayle Delaney, Kelly Bulkeley and many many other presenters! The conference should be great. Information and web links are listed below. There is also a toll free number to request information on the conference. 1 866 Dream12. REGISTER FOR THE JULY 10-15 2001 ASD CONFERENCE EARLY AND HELP ASD! Go to www.asdreams.org/2001 and register by credit card or download the registration form and send it by mail. Take part in an extensive Continuing Education or C.E. program (30+ CE Credits), revel in a great dream art show, and take advantage of extensive special offerings in all areas of dream work and dream studies. Special themes for this year's conference will include nightmares and transformation, dream and sleep disorders, dreams and the arts and film, regional dreamwork, and/ spirituality and dreaming plus much more! >>>>>>>>> The Dream in Western Europe 1500-1800 Conference: February 23-24, 2001 Princeton University Like us, early modern Europeans were fascinated by dreams. Unlike us, they rarely assumed that dreams were primarily useful for illuminating the hidden workings of the self. This conference explores the diversity of early modern uses of the dream, in discourses ranging from poetry to medicine to religion to the literature of exploration. The flexibility of the dream in early modern hands was not only disciplinary but also epistemic: the dream could work historically to underwrite the truth of past or future events, metaphysically to discover the forms of the supernatural, heuristically to guide interpretation and investigation in many fields, or aporetically to figure experience and memory as inaccessible or unspeakable. Should we speak of the dream as a single object of many early modern knowledges, or as a series of objects produced afresh in each new discussion? The dream's singular polymorphousness lets us ask fundamental questions about the internal boundaries of early modern knowledge, as well as the ways in which those boundaries could be crossed. What is clear from the outset is that early modern people of deeply differing stripes found the dream an excellent tool for thinking with. Stuart Clark, Professor of Early Modern History at the University of Wales, Swansea, will present a Faber Memorial Lecture at 4:30 p.m. on Friday, February 23 in Woolworth Hall, room 102. Professor Clark is the author of Thinking With Demons: The Idea of Witchcraft in Early Modern Europe (Oxford University Press, 1997) and co-editor of Witchcraft and Magic in Europe: The Eighteenth and Nineteenth Centuries (University of Pennsylvania Press, 1999), among other works. All are welcome to attend; a reception will follow. Conference schedule and information: http://www.princeton.edu/~dreams/index.html >>>>>>>>> CALL FOR ENTRIES * * * Dream Art Exhibition at the 18th Annual Conference of the Association for the Study of Dreams University of California, Santa Cruz * July 10 -15, 2001 Deadline, March 21, 2001 For details and entry form, go online to http://www.asdreams.org/2001 Select the Art Exhibition. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< R E S E A R C H & R E Q U E S T S <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< >>>Start the New Year off Right, with your Dreams to Guide the Way! Learn how you can receive intuitive guidance from dreams in my proven, personally mentored, home-study "Dream Quest." In this unique program, you'll find your dreams can help you get where you want to go, and they'll probably go you one better. In just four weeks you'll also come away with experience using practical methods for dream interpretation. For a limited time, those who enroll online will get $100 off the usual fee, which also includes my creating for you a hand-painted watercolor "Dream Mandala". For more information, sample mandalas and some success stories, go see www.creativespirit.net/henryreed/dreamquest <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< W E B S I T E & O N L I N E U P D A T E S <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< Do you know of interesting new websites you'd like to share with others? Or do you have updates to existing pages? Help spread the word by using the Electric Dreams DREAM-LINK page www.dreamgate.com/dream/resources/online97.htm. This is really a public projects board and requires that everyone keep up his or her own link URLs and information. Make a point to send changes to the links page to us. >>> Astrology & Dreams http://users.choice.net/~davy/barry%20dreams.htm Astrologer Barry Cowper explores the effect of astrology on dreams. Site also features astro-cartography and astrology consultation. >>> Astro-Awareness now includes a Dream Section http://www.astroawareness.com "Astrologically dreams are ruled by Neptune," says Maria and she will take a look at your dreams and try to answer your questions. >>> Book of Dreams by Scott McLoud http://www.ac.wwu.edu/~mclouds/index.html Scott is a grad student in secondary education and has put up his personal dream journal. The journal extends from childhood and is illustrated. >>> Dutch Dream Center http://www.droomcentrum.nl/ TWT Dream Centre: A Dutch site about dreams and dreaming, dreamwork and other projects in the Netherlands related to dreaming. Contact:"Tjitske Wijngaard" >>> Group Dreamwork Experiment http://www.paratheatrical.com/pages/workshop.html This is a nearly completed group experiment in non- interpretive dreamwork using methods involving movement, gesture, and ritual. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< D R E A M C A L E N D A R February 2001 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< Feb 2-4 in Albuquerque, NM Jeremy Taylor workshop with Brooks Institute. Contact Jane Kopp at 303.377.2938 Feb 5-May 18 in Berkeley, CA 7:10-9:40pm, "Dreams" class, taught by Jeremy Taylor, at Starr King School for the Ministry. OPEN TO AUDITORS. Call 510/845.6232 Feb 10-11 in Los Angeles, CA Conference on Dreams, Religion, and Science. At the University of California, Los Angeles. Sponsored by the Center for Theology and the Natural Sciences. Invited speakers include Jeremy Taylor, J. Allan Hobson, Tracey Kahan, and Lee Butler. Contact for more information: kellybulkeley@earthlink.net Feb 10-11 in Cleveland, OH Dreamgrowing: Releasing the Healer and Creator in You, 2-day workshop with Robert Moss. Reservations and directions: Please contact MiShalla (513) 697-9845, email mishalla@worldshare.net. Feb 16-18 in Gainesville, FL Weekend workshop with Jeremy Taylor. Contact Carla at 352.392.6547, ext 311 Feb 20 in Menlo Park, CA 11-1pm, Jeremy Taylor lecture introducing dreamwork at St. Denis Church. Open to all. Contact Tereza at tmcnamee@ispchannel.com or Kathy at 415.454.2793 February 23-24, 2001 Conference: The Dream in Western Europe 1500-1800 Princeton University http://www.princeton.edu/~dreams/index.html Kristine Haugen (dreams@princeton.edu) Feb 25 in San Francisco, CA Jeremy Taylor Forum at Grace Cathedral: "Deepening Spiritual Practice through Dreamwork." Contact Sean at 415.749.6363. Feb 24-25 in Miami, FLA Shamanic Dreaming and Divination, 2-day workshop with Robert Moss. Reservations and further information: Please contact Dominick Sorrentino (305) 445-5064, secretcott@earthlink.net +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ** DREAMS ** DREAMS ** DREAMS ** DREAMS ** DREAMS ** DREAMS +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ New Series begins with dream-flow@egroup.com Digest #1 09/29/2000 This issue includes volume #67 volume #87 Hello and welcome to the DREAM SECTION of Electric Dreams. This section is edited by Richard Wilkerson and the DreamEditor, a software creation of Harry Bosma, author of the Dream interpretation and journaling software "Alchera". (homepage: http://mythwell.com) Please note that we print these dreams as they come to us and that means we do not correct the spelling. Some dreamworkers find these spelling mistakes a great window on the dream and dreamer. The Electric Dreams DREAM SECTION includes dreams and comments from the DREAM FLOW, a project to circulate dreams in Cyberspace. Many mail lists participate, including dream-flow@lists.best.com dreamstream@topical.com DreamsRus@onelist.com The Dream Sack http//www.deeplistening.org/ione Usenet groups (too many to name, search DREAM) If you would like to send in single dreams for the flow, you can leave them at http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/temple If you have a mail list or would like to contribute dreams and comments on a regular basis, you can subscribe to the dream-flow by sending an E-mail to TO: dream-flow-subscribe@egroups.com You may get a note back to verify the subscription. Simply hit the return or reply key and send the note back. An Archive of dream-flow is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/dream-flow@egroups.com/ Pre-November 2000: http://www.mail-archive.com/dream-flow@lists.best.com/ Pre-November 1998 http://www.mail-archive.com/ed-core@lists.best.com/ Pre-April 1990 Use Electric Dreams Backissues http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/ed-backissues ------------------------- BEGIN --------------------------- [dream-flow] Digest Number 67 ____________________________________________________________ There is 1 message in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. A Great Story to Tell From: Daniel & Janice Subject: Is it love or not Dream Title Is it love or not Date of Dream 1/1/2001 10:30pm Dream I had this dream about this friend of mine we went to camp last yr andhe said that he liked me and i told him that i liked him back but he had a g/f soi haven't spoken to him since april last yr untill a month ago and i keep on having these weired dreams about him that we are at camp and he likes me and i like him and in every dream i find myself cutting my wrists and then we kiss. i want to know what it means if possible Comments by Dreamer Does it mean that you are hurting yourself to pursue this relationship? This is the 2nd time that I have commented on your dreams, Richard. I would like a response of some kind. Daniel ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 17:19:13 -0800 From: Anonymous Subject: The Dreams of the X Dream Title The Dreams of the X Date of Dream 12/22/00 Dream Me and my X were skating together and I fell down and he rushed over to me and held my head up and told someone to get help. He kissed me after they left and then I saw everything go black because I got knocked un conchous. Then when I woke up he was there and he said," I Love You, Will You marry me and be with me forever." I answered yes and then we kissed and I woke up right after that. Comments by Dreamer I wanna know what it means! I'm confused about this! ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 08:25:25 -0800 From: Anonymous Subject: confused Dream Title confused Date of Dream 1/1/01 Dream me and an old crush were walking to my classes and he put his arm around me.him and i walked to my class and then he went to his class...when i walked into my class there were no desk and the teacher told me we were in the library today and i wasn't sure if when i left if i should close the dooor or leave it opean so i stayed in there for a while then i woke up... ____________________________________________________________ [dream-flow] Digest Number 75 ____________________________________________________________ There are 7 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. Laura Pregnant From: Anonymous 2. Scared From: Anonymous 3. Trucking From: Anonymous 4. "Why was it Him?" From: Anonymous ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 17:21:24 -0800 From: Anonymous Subject: Laura Pregnant Dream Title Laura Pregnant Date of Dream 1/3/01 Dream I had a dream last night that I was told that I was 8 months pregnant. I wasn't showing though. ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 17:20:02 -0800 From: Anonymous Subject: Scared Dream Title Scared Date of Dream 1/2/01 Dream I had a dream that I had a baby and left it at the hospital, the next thing I know I am ridding in a car with my sister asking her when I have to pick up the baby, she tells me that the baby has to stay in the hospital for a couple of days. When my sister tells me this I am very happy because I will not have to take care of the baby for a couple of days. What does this mean? My husband wants us to have a baby and I am wondering if my dream is trying to tell me that I am not ready. ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 17:20:32 -0800 From: Anonymous Subject: Trucking Dream Title Trucking,By Kasual Date of Dream 07/87 5am Dream The dream starts by us driving to Kansas City as we had done before, It was My husband, My Mother and Myself, The reason for the trip was my mothers husband was a truckdriver and he had a layover, so we had to go pick him up and then take him back when a load was available, We drove into the trucking company's lot and looked for his truck,Finally after about thirty minutes we found his truck,but he was nowhere in sight,I get out of the car and go to the truck and open the drivers door as the truck had a sleeper on it and thought maybe he was resting till we got there, I opened the door and the entire cab was filled with blood,I had to have spent thirty to forty five seconds looking around then stepped down from the truck and awoke. The dream was irritating as I have had dreams about people before,i hadn't talked with my mother for several weeks and tried to talk to my husband but he wasn't responsive,So I called my mother and asked where her husband was, she said "right here on the couch," "why",I told her to keep him there as long as she could and again she asked "why"I told her about the dream and then asked when I had the dream and I told her last night,she gasped and said,"oh my" I said "what" she said his daughters son died last night. Comments by Dreamer This is only one of many dreams, I have given you one of the most eastest to read without alot of detail,If you would like to respond,I would enjoy reading,if there is any asistance with this "Dreaming" I have many more to share Permission to Comment yes_share_comments Permission Comments Please be considerate,Thank You Kasual ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 17:22:00 -0800 From: Anonymous Subject: "Why was it Him?" Dream Title "Why was it Him?" - Me Date of Dream Dream This is the dream and whole story behind it... It was werid because I don't understand why the person who was in it, atended in it. I don't remember whe whole thing but there is a part that makes my think that i remember clearly. So i was in my house and about to go to bed and something happened that my close and friend and her , cute, brother had to sleep over. Somehow everyone disappered and it was just me and him, usually I wouldn't mind because we're pretty good friend- well actully once were now that I look at it. Ever since I saw hit I've always thought he was the biggest hottie and we always did our share of flirting but it was never anything serious or real- just playing around. One day I was really down and upset,crying, and he just cared enough to just stay by my side and just cared. We lost touch after that, we just started dirfting because of different things in our lives. Although, I made it very clear to him that if at any point he needed me I was there for him and I mean it was clear that I left something for him, but still I never expressed to much gratitude for it all. Then, I started crushing on a friend of his. When i would call he would tease me about that other kid, it was just always laughs. I soon realized that i missed seeing him around all the time but since he didn't care I stopped too. Back to this other kid, so yeh i had a crush on him which didn't last long. When i finally started gettin over him, when i knew nothing would ever become of him and I becuase like everyone said he was no good for me and all that stuff - i agreed. I had almost no more feelings for him when i had this dream, and I just find it so werid.. So back to the dream... He, my friend's brother, was sleeping in my parents room where the bed is really firm and big, i remember that, and he looked very upset. We didn't talk I just layed down next to him and he just put his head on me and we just slept. I woke up after that, but the werid thing is that when I woke up I had this feeling like it really happened, I still felt his head leaning on me. It felt as if his head was actully layed on my shoulder/chest just listening to my heart and restin peacefully. I remembered that so well when I awoke and then when i went down to sleep it was like I was being placed back into that same situation. As if knowing he was there, I felt so safe and secure- like bad and hurt were never born. When i awoke in the morning I still had that same old feeling which I wanted to cling onto forever to , but it was weaker. So now, i've just been thinking about why it would be him who appeared in my dream. Could it be that even though I didn't realize I helped him with something in his life or is it one of those dreams that I rather just forget? Or, does it really mean something that there is no of a future to us then both of us now of? Alrite, well I'm done.. thanks ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ [dream-flow] Digest Number 76 ____________________________________________________________ There is 1 message in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. Russian War From: Anonymous ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 12:50:05 -0800 From: Anonymous Subject: Russian War Dream Title Russian War-By Victoria Date of Dream 11pm-8am1/5/2001-1/6/2001 Dream My best and me were playing and we ended up in the middle of the Russian war. They started to chase us and my friend leavt me and I was running so fast that I fell throw this hole and I was in my school. I hide in the bathrooms, classrooms every were but when I went to my social room it turned into a big wagon. When I got out I ran to the cafeteria and the Russian's were right on my tail and the cafeteria person had a sign saying this way to North America. I ran in there and then they stopped the Russians and they didn't let them go in. it was a piece of ice the size of your trailer and surrounded by ocean. I yelled "mom" but it wasn't my mom it looked like that blonde actress but I don't know her name. I ran to here and then a helicopter came to help us but the Russians had one to. They both like were hitting into each other and spark were fling everywhere and the Russians yelled if you don't give up your daughter will kill you first. So my mom came ! ! charging at me cause I was near the edge she was trying to push me in but I moved and I killed my mother! Then I ran back to the school and the helicopters were both dead. It was time for recess so my friend and me went to it. I remembered this dream by now cause I've had it before and I was trying to think of what happens next and I started hearing a rumbling noise. I thought it was a avalanche but it was a volcano eruption so we ran and go on top of the snow bank and the lava got real close then in my dream me, the kid I like, and I girl I envy fell asleep. When I woke up I went up to my friend and yelled at her cause she didn't wake me up and how she leavt me but she didn't answer. I looked down and I was a ghost. Then Mr. Carlisto, my English teacher came out and said" this has been a very sad day and 4 people have died that went to this school" and me, the kid I like, the girl I envy and my favorite teacher had all fallen asleep and were died. Comments by Dreamer And it just doesn't make sense cause why did all the people I liked die and why was I trying to help people cause I have had this dream before and I felt like I was awake but couldn't get my eyes opened. ____________________________________________________________ [dream-flow] Digest Number 77 ____________________________________________________________ There are 8 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. Re: Russian War From: Heratheta 2. triple twin From: Anonymous 3. Brown bear in a bed From: Anonymous 4. Love and Happiness? From: Anonymous 5. "Winning turned dark" From: Anonymous 6. falling From: Anonymous 7. caroline From: Anonymous 8. Cut off your nose to spite your face? From: Anonymous ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 15:38:15 EST From: Heratheta Subject: Re: Russian War Mup y)(e ylo)(eHHi cnpaba BouHa e)(elu bi y)(e oBoxogulu cmaHobay7u "koH7eHHi" ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 14:00:26 -0800 From: Anonymous Subject: triple twin Dream Title triple twin Date of Dream about 5 years ago Dream I was standing next to a very old man with a big nose. He said you are the triple twin, the one who got lost and found home again. (does any one know what the triple twin means?) Comments by Dreamer Permission to Comment yes_share_comments Permission Comments I would love comments ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 15:38:45 -0800 From: Anonymous Subject: Brown bear in a bed Dream Title Brown bear in a bed Date of Dream 01/01/07/ 7:30 Dream I am in a forest sitting on a bed observing a brown bear (grizzly?) in daylight with a spotting scope and an old 8mm film camera. Nightfall comes and the bear goes out of sight through the forest, when I think to myself "if he comes here while I'm sleeping I must not freak out...". I fall asleep and awaken in the dark to the sound of an animal crunching through the forest next to the bed. Suddenly he jumps on to the bed and my heart starts racing but I decide I must be calm. The animal begins to sniff and lick my face, covering my nose with his big wet lips so I cannot breathe, but my heart suddenly stops racing as he lets out a long sigh and sits down with his forepaws on either side of me, almost hugging me in a protective manner. I have not opened my eyes through this whole sequence and am only assuming it is the same bear. Comments by Dreamer My spirit animal has been recognized as a wolf while my birth totem is a brown bear ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 15:54:00 -0800 From: Anonymous Subject: Love and Happiness? Dream Title Love and Happiness? Date of Dream 1/4/01 11:07 Dream My dream is...I was 17 in my dream and I got in a fight with my mom. I left in my car and when i got down to the intersection i realized that there was no where to go and my friends wouldn't be there for me. So I decided to go to this good friend of mines who lived in ohio to go to college. And sense i lived in oregon do i called my mom and all i said was i am going to see Michael. Michael and I in real life are pretty close. Well anyway he calls on my cell phone a few days later and I am in Idaho. He tells me he has a gilrfriend and that i shouldn't come. So I start crying really hard and i call my sisters husband (in the dream) and I tell him what happened and he told me he would never let anyone hurt his little sister. He also told me to go stay with them in colorado but i said I was going to live in wisconsin by myself. In really life I have always wanted to go to wisconsin to meet my husband and we would be happy forever and in love. what does this mean? ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 15:54:52 -0800 From: Anonymous Subject: "Winning turned dark" Dream Title "Winning turned dark" MissLisa Date of Dream 12/00 Dream I was in what resembled a small scale casino playing the slot machine or something simalier to a slot machine, when all of a sudden I won $400. At the moment of winning, all the electricty went out, except for my machine, which stayed on until I got my pay out. I know the city I was in, it was the next city over from where I live, Atlantic Beach, NC (not Atlantic City.) Once I recieved my payout, me and the person I was with (who I have no idea who it was, although I can feel it weas a male energy) got into the car and started driving over the Atlantic Beach bridge (which is a very high, almost a semi- circle, so that boats may pass under without the use of a draw bridge). When we reached the top of the bridge we noticed that the lights were out all over the city that I lived in, as we tried to go down the bridge, it had a "flat" on the down side, making it impossible to cross. So we just sat at the top thinking "wow Morehead City had a black out". That is all that I remember of the dream, but again, the image and feelings of this dreams are burned into me. (for the record, we do not have gambling in NC) Comments by Dreamer Exact time and date I don't remember, but the dream is as clear as if I just woke up. ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 6 Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 15:55:53 -0800 From: Anonymous Subject: falling Dream Title falling Date of Dream 1:00 Dream i was dreaming about how i fell and it wouldn't stop. Comments by Dreamer what does that mean ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 11:47:36 -0800 From: Anonymous Subject: caroline Dream Title caroline Date of Dream AT NIGHT Dream THIS DREAM OCCURS FREQUENTLY,I WOULD CALL IT,THE VIRGINITY Comments by Dreamer ITS CONSTATNTLY THROWN IN MY FACE ,YET, I AM STILL A VIRGIN Permission to Comment yes_share_comments Permission Comments NOTHING REALLY ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 8 Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 13:44:51 -0800 From: Anonymous Subject: Cut off your nose to spite your face? Dream Title Cut off your nose to spite your face? Date of Dream 01/08/01 Dream Background history: Was involved with a man (Ed)for 6 years in an adulterous type affair on his side. It ended harshly and abruptly. He stayed with his wife and 2 children, I moved on and never saw him again. It has been about 4 years since it ended. Also, when we were together, he always bought me jewelry from this one store. The store wasn't in the best of neighborhoods and the windows and door had bars on them. He knew the owner well. This dream occurred to me on the morning of his birthday. What is my subconsious telling me? OK the dream: In my dream I hear that Ed had died. I went to his funeral and saw his wife, his children and his sister-in-law. They were all very nice to me (Wierd given the nature of my relationship with Ed and how it ended in an ugly manner.) On the closed casket was a little box given by the children to their father. It was propped open and in the dream I approached it and felt around inside. The box was filled with little pebbles or dirt and as I moved it around I found what appeared to be Ed's cut off nose. Somehow after the funeral or later in my dream (this is where it gets a little fuzzy)I find out that Ed was wanted or found guilty of stealing jewelry. How he ended up dead though, I do not know. Please give me your interpretation of what the cut off nose would mean? I cannot find anything on this sort of symbolism. Thanks Vivian ____________________________________________________________ [dream-flow] Digest Number 78 ____________________________________________________________ There are 6 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. all the time From: Anonymous 2. teeneejen From: Anonymous 3. Re: all the time From: kittycrisis Dream Title teeneejen >Date of Dream dec. 21 2000 >Dream i had a dream that i was in a big group of people >and all of a sudden i'd bite down or talk and my teeth would crack and fall >out..i just kept spitting tooth after tooth out and people were freaked >out...if i bit anything they would fall out..they were all rotten and scary... >Comments by Dreamer its very wierd because i've never had any trouble >with my teeth that i remember..i have perfect teeth..i've never had braces >or anything like that..except for when i was little... when i was 1 or 2 >when i just started walking i fell down a slide head first and knocked out >my front teeth..and shortly after that i got hit in the mouth on another >part of the play set and it knocked out my other front teeth. ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 12:49:13 -1000 From: "Jackie & Steve" Dream Title suga >Date of Dream all the time >Dream some times i dream that i am falling. although, i >do not see anything. it usually happenes when i am half asleep and i have >to sit up with a start because i feel odd. >Comments by Dreamer very odd. i want to know if it is normal and what >it means. > please tell me what this means. > > > ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 12:49:27 -1000 From: "Jackie & Steve" wrote: > > I am interesting of the color in dreamworld. > I need some suggestions about how to research the color in dreamworld. > Thank you... Roxanny- This is the information I have about colors in dreams.. red- energy, activity, agression, danger, blood, prohibition blue- spirituality, intellect, tranquility, distance yellow- childhood, joyfullness, playfullness, enthusiasm black- mystery, night, evil, danger, death, ressurrection white- purity, virginity, mourning, spirituality, and light green, nature, the senses, fresh growth, sickness, decay, envy orange- freshness, suppleness, dynamism purple, riches, opulence, luxury, royalty pink, feminity, infancy, gentleness, frivolity, aritficiality gold- divinity, wealth, deception, weight, age silver- aspiration, intergrity, luck, skill, youth The two sources that I use most often is David Fontana's Reader Digest's Dream Pack. It comes with a dream journal, dream cards, dream book, and dream pillow. The journal is even hardback. Its a very nice set; I think it runs about 30.00. I, also use Tony Crisp's Dream Dictionary. Its a very detailed source of dream symbols. I believe it was like 8.00. These books can be found in the newage/astrology/spirituality section of a bookstore. I hope that helps ^.^ Olivia ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 03:58:42 -0000 From: "Olivia P" Date of Dream 1-16-01 > > 2am-6am > Dream I dreamt that I gave birth and after the doctor > took my baby saying that something was wrong. He returned a short time > later and said that I had a baby boy but there were complications and that > my baby was going to die very shortly. I held my beautiful baby with dark > brown hair and eyes like his daddy's and talked to him, breastfeeding and > crying too. I looked down at him after a few minutes and he was sucking on > a feeding tube and I heard someone say that it had a pain killer in it. I > heard my baby talking, hallucinating and I freaked out. The nurses and > doctor took my baby away from me and I was screaming, crying and reaching > for him but couln't reach him. I woke up trembling. > Comments by Dreamer I have never had a dream like this before, it > seemed so real. Nothing different happening lately except some marital > troubles, nothing major, and I've been working extra hours. I'm not > pregnant, can't have any children and don't have any now. > Permission to Comment yes_share_comments > Permission Comments I don't really care who reads it, I just need some > answers. thanks Hello ^.^ The first thing I thought of when I read your dream is you were possibly in fear of maturing and then once I read of your marital troubles comment (sorry btw = / )) I thought perhaps fear of maturing alone..the baby having such similiar features of your husband? as being the baby's "father" --perhaps you have been a protective mothering type figure to him in your relationship? The kind of conclusion I drew from your statements on your emotional state..still breast feeding him...etc .etc ..you dont want to give up on this thing you are scared of losing but you perhaps believe its out of your conrol?.. That was a lot of personal opionion with some knowledge of symbolism and such. Good Luck.. Olivia ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 22:41:54 -0800 From: Anonymous Subject: The crash by Aahtalah Dream Title The crash by Aahtalah Date of Dream 1-16-01 Dream I have a reoccuring dream where I am happy, usually surrounded by friends and family. In my dream there are planes of all sizes that continuously crash around me. Everything from Space Shuttles to commercial passenger planes. They all crash and burn yet know one but me seems to be frightened or concerned about what just happened. I am starting to have this dream more often and I am curious about what it means. FYI - I am not afraid of flying... ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 22:43:00 -0800 From: Anonymous Subject: Skwerl Dream Title Skwerl Date of Dream 01/16/2001 Dream It is very late and dark. I am in a unfamiliar house and am compelled to look out the window. Out in the drive I see a small child or animal that looks hurt. I go outside to help this small creature and am startled by a man coming around a van and saying it is ok. I fall down and try to scurry away from him on my knees and am unable to find the little child or animal that I came out to investigate is gone. I run to my car and get in it and I can not get it to start because my battery has been unhooked. I look up and see someone I know sitting in his car staring at me in a very sinister way. I get very frightened and run from my car back into the house. Now the house if familiar on the inside and I see this small kid now clearly. I am standing in front of my coffee table and staring at a dark wall and have the very crushing feeling that I am being watched by someone or something to horrible to imagine. I can hear it in the dark and for some reason sense it wants the child. I start picking things up and throwing them at it and I can hear the objects hitting him and the floor. It starts to come out of the dark holding one of those blue light sticks and growling. For some reason I figure that I would scare him by screaming at it only I am woken up being told that I am actually doing the screaming. I have had this dream twice in two nights will little variation. It is to the point that I can not go into a dark room in my house nor can I fall asleep without a night light of some sort on. ____________________________________________________________ [dream-flow] Digest Number 84 ____________________________________________________________ There is 1 message in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. Possessed Boss From: Anonymous ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 10:40:13 -0800 From: Anonymous Subject: Possessed Boss Dream Title Possessed Boss Date of Dream 1-17-01 Dream I had a dream that my boss was possess by the devil and he was trying to get. He wasn't trying to kill me, but he was trying to catch me, but he couldn't. What do you think about this dream? I know it sounds weird and it is because this boss of mine is not my main boss. He is really over some other people and really has nothing to do with me. Does this mean anything? ____________________________________________________________ [dream-flow] Digest Number 85 ____________________________________________________________ There are 3 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. My Man by Love Kachur From: Anonymous 2. Upside down christmas tree? From: Anonymous 3. Giving birth - From: Anonymous ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 17:01:26 -0800 From: Anonymous Subject: My Man by Love Kachur Dream Title My Man by Love Kachur Date of Dream Everyday Dream I dream of the same man over and over every night Even though I have a boyfriend I cant help getting feelings from theses dreams ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 17:02:32 -0800 From: Anonymous Subject: Upside down christmas tree? Dream Title Upside down christmas tree? Date of Dream Jan 19, about 6am Dream I was in a large room with carpet on the floor, and there was a very large christmas tree, but it was upside down in the middle of the floor. There was a ladder that the man that i love was standing on,holding up the tree, and i had to climb UP the upside down tree to decorate it. Then i got down from the tree and he kissed me. There was a thin woman standing off in the background next to a shelf, i think the shelf had dolls on it. Someone, anyone.....ideas?!? Comments by Dreamer As a side note, i have begun to collect Barbie dolls. I had billions of them as a child.I don't know if thats relevant. ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 16:48:30 -0800 From: Anonymous Subject: Giving birth - Dream Title Giving birth - Joanne - Date of Dream January 18, 2001 Dream I dreamt that I gave birth to a son. All the events occurred on 1 day. I think that in the morning I gave birth, and although I knew who was the father of the child (it's the man I am "involved" with at the moment), I could not exactly recall the pregnancy. Anyway, I had a baby from him and then the baby appeared to have become a lovely little boy. He was gorgeous. My mother was with me, but not his father and him and I were not married. Later in the day, my mother and I went out and it was a bit burry but I think that I was looking for somewhere to live; and I bumped into a friend who I haven't seen for years in actual life, and she told me that she had 2 kids, and to come and stay with her for a while, and I sort of accepted. Then we got to her place, her husband was there with the kids, I had my son, my mum was with me and in the evening all of a sudden, all my relatives appeared. I had forgotten my mobile phone at another friend's house and my partner wasn't there although we had arranged to meet and I knew that it was because he did not know where I was as he would have tried to reach me on my phone. Then I don't know how, but my phone appeared and I could see that he had tried to ring me several times and I asked him whether he would join me, but as he hadn't been able to reach me, he had made plans and told me that he probably would not make it. I felt disappointed as it was the day that our son had been born. anyway, the little boy was gorgeous, all my relatives had bought him presents; and then my mum told me that I had embarrassed her because I had a child and I was not even married. Comments by Dreamer This dream is quite strange and I am having trouble interpreting it. In actual life, I am a 26 years old female and single. I have been involved with a guy for about 1 year now. I fell in love with him ( and I think that I still am) but since the beginning I knew that he had a sort of girl-friend who lives in another country, but with whom he was having problems. Although he told me the truth, and told me that he did not want another relationship, he always wanted to see me, and we became physically intimate after 3-4 months. At the end of last year, he returned to his country, wanting us to keep in touch by phone, email and he has been calling me very often. But I got fed up that although things are still not going well with that other woman, that he's not making a decision. So I told him that I didn't want to keep in touch with him anymore. He was very upset, but after a couple of days, he started calling me again as if things were normal between us. the thing is, that he is miles away from me and the fact that he still calls me makes me think that there is something serious between us. However, this week, a mutual friend told me that my guy is still having problems with the other woman. Therefore now I've decided that I am really putting an end to this relationship. This is why I would really really like to know what significance this dream has because I know that it's about this relationship. Also I am not pregnant in real life, nor do I want to be at this moment. Please provide some insight I would really like an interpretation please ____________________________________________________________ [dream-flow] Digest Number 86 ____________________________________________________________ There is 1 message in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. My nightmare From: Anonymous ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 05:13:49 -0800 From: Anonymous Subject: My nightmare Dream Title My nightmare Date of Dream i really don't know the date or time. Dream I had a dream about this guy that i'm kind of seeing. the only thing is in the dream he died somehow. i don't know how but everyone kept telling me that he died. I kept asking everyone even people that didn't know him or that I thought didn't know him but they somehow did. Comments by Dreamer Just thinking about that made me really worry about him and want to see if he was ok. When I did see him and got an e-mail from him i felt so much better ____________________________________________________________ [dream-flow] Digest Number 87 ____________________________________________________________ There are 3 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. my kids badly hurt almost to the point of death by me From: Anonymous 2. javaid From: Anonymous 3. Water and death, From: Anonymous ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 05:26:53 -0800 From: Anonymous Subject: my kids badly hurt almost to the point of death by me Dream Title my kids badly hurt almost to the point of death by me Date of Dream 1/19/01 1230pm Dream i dreamed my kids were bleeding,one was hurt on head,another in chest ect.i dreamed i tried killing my kids in this violent way,i have 4.i realized what i did and was sorry,and crying .i woke up crying thought it was real. Comments by Dreamer what does this mean?why did i dream this? ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 12:03:49 -0800 From: Anonymous Subject: javaid Dream Title javaid Date of Dream 1/18/2001 at 1.00 PM reenwichmean time. Dream dream is; i am standing in a lane covered by buildings on its both sides.on the back of a building in front of me on the north side i saw a cloud rising from the ground(i imagine it so as i saw its highest portion rising in th sky behind that building).the strange thing in that cloud was that it was a mixture of red and yellow colours as if thick fire or the mass of blood and pus was rising in the sky.i was terrified indeed imagining it the wrath of God.yonder on land i saw water rising towarsds the lane and the strange thing in it was that it was of navy blue colour.on my back was a house where my family lived.I shouted at them of the catastophe warning them to be careful.In the meantime i observed that i was going upstair to inform my family about all that and viewed water covering the ground floor.I was shouting telling that the water has filled the ground floor and that they should vacate it for safety. in the meantime i felt that Nature was demolishing all the buildings in the vicinity.Hence i asked my family to come out of that building for the safety of their lives.In the meantime i saw the upper storey of a building at the back of our building fell down.A brick or two of the same fell on our building.This made my family members run out of our building.I could see one of my cousin and both of my grandsons along with others run out of the building to come down from the front side.I saw my elder grandson finding no way to come down from the front side went sideways and came down through a side stair along with others of the same age group aged 2-3years.He came to me and i along with him went to the backside of our building.I saw that huge building fall down and felt sorry for a large number of families living there.I saw a mother with his baby crying for help. from here we went back to our building to join our family but my family was not there.however our building was intact with no obvious damage to it.while coming back from that place i saw a boy aged 10-12 was accompanying me and not my grandson who was 3-years old.When i came to our building i noticed that i was having my eldest son by my side. the dream has mixed effect upon me as i felt wrath of God creating that cloud of blood and pus from what i did not see,the demolishing of buildings,the sympathy for the effected people and quite relieved seeing our building intact. one thing i forgot to mention that sometime in between the dreams i saw a big spindle like shape-two big balls of fire connected through some rodlike thing but made of light,in east-west direction and the balls glowed turn by turn. ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 19:55:20 -0800 From: Anonymous Subject: Water and death, Dream Title Water and death,drempt by Aquadreamer Date of Dream every night Dream For about a month now I have had dreams about water and beaches. 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