"... many people who interpret their dreams, have seldom moved beyond the level of thinking, and know nothing through experience of the deep waters of the unconscious." - Tony Crisp E.l.e.c.t.r.i.c D.r.e.a.m.s Subscribe: electric-dreams-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Unsubscribe: electric-dreams-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Subscribe Online: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/electric-dreams =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= E.l.e.c.t.r.i.c D.r.e.a.m.s Volume #8 Issue #7 July 2001 ISSN# 1089 4284 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= http://www.dreamgate.com/electric-dreams =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Download a Cover for this Issue! http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/ed-covers =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= C O N T E N T S ++ Editor's Notes ++ Notes to the Editor/Dream Airing Computer Survey ASD Conference Sign up Deadline: July 5 Strephon Kaplan-Williams Newsletter ++ Column: An Excerpt From the Lucid Dream Exchange W.I.L.D.S By Lucy Gillis & Joe Lamando ++ Column: The Dream Doctor By Charles McPhee, Ph.D. ++ Article: American Indian Dream Beliefs Tony Crisp ++ Article: The Underground Railroad of Dreams by Robert Moss ++ Article: Twin Foresight, Fear, Falling and Energy Body Awareness in Lucid Dreams. Excerpts from an email correspondence between Marc Vandekeere and another lucid dreaming and out of body awareness enthusiast. G L O B A L * D R E A M I N G * N E W S - Peggy Coats NEWS * RESEARCH & REQUESTS * WEBSITE & ONLINE UPDATES * * DREAM CALENDAR for July and August 2001 * ASD News Update! D R E A M S S E C T I O N : This issue includes volume #202 - #226 D E A D L I N E : July 18, deadline for AUGUST submissions M.U.T.U.A.L D.R.E.A.M T.A.R.G.E.T We are re-focusing on the Mutual Dream Circle, which meets the 21st of each month. See details below. XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX Send Dreams and Comments on Dreams to: Richard Wilkerson Send Dreaming News and Calendar Events to: Peggy Coats Send Articles and Subscription concerns to: Richard Wilkerson: =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Editor's Notes =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Welcome to the July issue of Electric Dreams, your portal to dreams and dreaming online. If you are new to Electric Dreams, please see our January 2001 issue for an introduction and guide to dreaming online. http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/ed-backissues The dream practices of the indigenous American tribes are quite developed compared to European dream practices and have fascinated Europeans for hundreds of years. Now there is a large movement among all peoples to re-discover the shamanic roots that lead to a more meaningful life and valuable journey. Tony Crisp introduced this topic in an easy to read and understand way, with examples and comment. The article shows sensitivity to both the multitude of differences in these dream practices, as well as the unifying spirit that can be traced through all or many of these practices. Be sure to read "American Indian Dream Beliefs" by Tony Crisp. The dream practices of the Native American Mohawks drew the attention of Robert Moss after he began having dreams with a strange language which turned out to be Mohawk. Mohawks and other people will make dream sharing the first business of the day. Robert Moss quickly picked up on this loss in European culture and like the Electric Dreams community, has a similar vision of returned and retuning our culture by bringing back dream sharing to everyday life. "A dreaming culture is one in which dreams are shared and celebrated in every environment n at the workplace, at the clinic, in schools and in families. In a dreaming culture, our lives and our interactions would be different, and magical." Moss goes on in his article "The Underground Railroad of Dreams" to lay out a plan for the return. Also note that Robert writes more extensively about this in his books and gives many seminars, workshops and lectures throughout the year. Be sure to check your local area for events in the Global Dreaming News in Electric Dreams. The excerpt from Lucy Gillis' ALucid Dream Exchange" is part of a larger project to classify various types of lucid dream experience. This month, Joe Lamando is featured and the topic of W.I.L.D.S. Charles McPhee, author of Stop Sleeping Through Your Dreams and the director of the Dream Doctor is with us this month answering questions about dream content. Charles visited with us online this month at the ASD Dream Time Live event. The archives are available, thanks to Victoria Quinton at dreamchatters@yahoogroups.com After reading Charles article below, be sure to check out these transcripts and stop by his website http://www.dreamdoctor.com Also, be sure to tune in to the ASD broadcast with Charles and Scott Hughes July 10-15. See the conference schedule for details. Marc Vandekeere returns this month with a transcript of a dialogue with another lucid dreamer. Be sure to read this very insightful dialog called "Twin Foresight, Fear, Falling and Energy Body Awareness in Lucid Dreams." Our news directory, Peggy Coats, from dreamtree.com, has gathered dreaming news from around the world, events, conferences, and seminars. You can read more about the ASD Conference, but I wanted to note here that the final day to register for the ASD Dream Conference, 2001 Dream Odyssey has been moved to July 5, 2001. This conference (July 10-15) is NOT TO BE MISSED! Drop whatever plans you have for anything else this year and come to the conference! Besides the BEST education in dreams and dreaming, you will also get to meet the top dream researchers, clinicians, authors, artists, writers and dreamworkers in the field! And the fun just never stops. At the end, there is a Dream Ball, where we all come dressed as our favorite Dream Characters. Some people come to the conference just for the Dream Ball, it is that fantastic. Come as you are, but be sure to be in Santa Cruz UCSC for this event. http://www.asdreams.org/2001 If you have news items about dreams and dreaming for Peggy, send them to her at pcoats@dreamtree.com Our dream-flow Dreams this month come from all around the Net and have been organized by the software developed by Harry Bosma. Be sure to look through the dreams and see what on the mind and soul of dreamers in Cyberspace. If you would like a cover for your Electric Dreams, the cover is at http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/ed-covers -Richard Wilkerson /////////////////////////////////////////////////////// =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Dream Airing: News, Notes and Events =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ////////////////////////////////////// Strephon Kaplan-Williams now has a weekly dream related newsletter that looks into issue of spirit and soul. To sign up stop by his site at http://www.dreamwork2000.com/Sitemap/email.html ///////////////////////////////////// Want to chat about dreams? So you have seen it all and done everything there is to do in dreamwork. For you, Electric Dreams offers the further reaches of dreamwork. On the outer edge, the community explores postmodern dreamwork, transhumanist dreamwork, mutual dreaming, lucid dreaming and psi dreaming. Imagine dreamwork at trans-warp drive speeds. Open a sub-space portal and teledream though. A good place to start here is with the dreamchatters@yahoogroups.com list. Stop by http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dreamchatters for more information. //////////////////////////////////////////////////// Survey online: Are you having dreams about computers? As I mentioned last month, I have expanded the Computer Dreams survey to include not just digital dreams, but also dreams about robots, cyborgs, androids and other beings and scenarios that look at the human-machine interface. Be sure to drop off your computer dreams and fill out the survey at: http://www.dreamgate.com/computers/ ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Patricia Garfield, Ph.D. is now offering TWO free chapters from her past books: Dreams and Children as well as Childbirth/Pregnancy Dreams. http://www.patriciagarfield.com Also, you will find Patricia Garfield's many other books, her public appearance schedule, notes and information about the making of the book The Universal Dreams Key. ---------- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Mutual Dream Healing Circle =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Dreamshare members ( a moderated, egalitarian on-line group for exploring the life and meanings of the dream-world) have initiated a dream-healing concentration, to be held in the consciousness of participants on the night of the 21st. of each month. Before going to sleep at night, please hold the thought, prayer, or concentration in your consciousness of bringing healing energy to those who have so requested. you may use whatever practices are important or helpful to you in effecting this healing state. There will be a list of names or circumstances of those who have specifically requested to be included in our thoughts and prayers. Please observe the general decorum of distance healing work in many traditions and do not add anyone to the list without his or her express approval...you may wish to hold in your consciousness someone else you know who is in need of healing energy and send them that energy, but please do respect everyone's rights to self-determination and privacy. my feeling is that someone who has asked you for thoughts and prayers can be included here as well. Feel free to contact Judith, c/o if you would like to be included in the list or for more information. On awakening, you may wish to pay special attention to recalling your dreams and, if you wish, you may submit them to< Dreamshare-owner@yahoogroups.com> for inclusion on our list. Anyway, that's about it for now. Take care, Judith //////////////////////////////////////////////////////// =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= AN EXCERPT FROM THE LUCID DREAM EXCHANGE By Lucy Gillis =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= The Lucid Dream Exchange has a section devoted to WILD's or Wake Initiated Lucid Dreams. At the head of the section is a list of definitions of some terms that our contributors sometimes use: *WILD: Wake Initiated Lucid Dream - Entering the dream state (lucid) from the waking state without falling asleep first. *DILD: Dream Initiated Lucid Dream - Becoming lucid during a dream. *MILD: Mnemonic Induction of Lucid Dreaming - A method of dream recall/memory to improve the chances of becoming lucid in your next dream. **TILD: Trance Induced Lucid Dream - Entering the dream state (lucid) from a trance state. *These terms were coined by Dr. Stephen LaBerge. For further information, see his book "Lucid Dreaming." **Suggested by F. Ghibellini One of our readers has come up with yet another creative definition to add to the list: PILDS? By Joe Lamando On the subject of classifying Lucid Dreams: I write poetry by a process of automatic writing. Words pop into my head and I write them down. However, sometimes I'm in a lucid dreamlike state where I'm fully experiencing it visually as well. It might be an interesting experiment for people who have WILDS to try writing while lucid dreaming. This is a half conscious/half dreaming experience. I wonder what we would call that! Would this be a WILD? Maybe it's a PILD! (Poetry Induced Lucid Dream) (;-) Here is an example of this type of automatic writing/lucid Dreaming. I had been sitting in my living room by a window one winter day and I became aware of hail hitting the window. For some reason I wondered, if I went out-of-body and went outside would I experience the hailstorm? I slipped into lucidity and became aware of my Muse by my side. I started writing by inviting him to sit down and write (sing). And he/I wrote. I love the way he described the scene but I'm still not sure of the meaning of the title and last line. Ill Wind Be Ill Wind Sit thee down Put thee pen 'pon paper Sing! Heavenly Host Here gathered 'round As hail 'pon window pane Does its rapitty tappin'. Winds in background chorus croonin' Beckons the belated dawnin'. Now and then The west wind Finds its whistlin' spots, Here and there, And the new - fall snow Lies pebbled wi' hailstones sprinklin's, And sparkling's await the moonlights beamin's Foilin' in the squalls. And do thee wonder now If spirit, soul, or astral form Would wander in these squalls Relishin' like some fool demented? What think ye now supposin' Spirit storms be composing' Wi' hail and sno' And be kindred be they To the host? Nay, ill wind be ill wind! (c) Joe Lamando ********************************************************** The Lucid Dream Exchange is a quarterly issue featuring lucid dreams and lucid dream related articles, poetry, and book reviews submitted by readers. To subscribe to The Lucid Dream Exchange, send a blank email to: TheLucidDreamExchange-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Or join through the Yahoo Groups website at http://groups.yahoo.com/ The LDE can be found under Sciences>Social Sciences>Psychology>Sleep and Dreams. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- The Dream Doctor Charles McPhee, Ph.D. http://www.dreamdoctor.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=- "Chased By Lions" I had a dream that my friend and I were at a party and we met these two really good looking guys. At the end of the night we all went back to my flat. We all started talking and having a laugh but then the two boys turned into lions and started to chase us. Then I woke up. What does this mean? Please help me!!!! Julie, Age 17, Single, Dagenham, Essex Hi Julie - It's just like men, isn't it? You and your friend both were having a good time - talking and having a laugh - when suddenly these "nice" boys you invited over to your flat turned into lions - and started chasing you around! (Some manners they have!) Is it possible your dream is a metaphor for the "chase" of a romantic relationship? In your dream the two guys you invite back to your flat are attractive. You are getting along great, but then suddenly the "rules of the game" begin to shift. The men turn into lions (show their aggressive, animal nature) and promptly begin to pursue you! If you've started dating recently, I think you may have perceived some of the romantic interests that guys have for you. Can you think of any men that you've been talking to lately, whom you think are just "good friends?" The message of this dream is that they may have something... more physical... on their minds. (As if you didn't know already!) Good luck in your new career... as a lion tamer! Charles McPhee, Ph.D. http://www.dreamdoctor.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= American Indian Dream Beliefs By Tony Crisp B Author of Dream Dictionary =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= In considering the beliefs of the Amerindian peoples, there is not a single belief system. Each tribe developed their own relationship with their inner life as it connected with and contributed to their external environment and needs. In looking at the fairly pure statements of traditional Amerindians in such books as Black Elk Speaks, and Ishi, it is fairly obvious however that dreams were generally considered as a form of reality or information to be highly regarded. Black Elk became a revered medicine man of his tribe through the initiatory process of his dreams and their revelation. His dreams revealed rituals to be performed by the tribe that aided in healing social tensions. But these deeply perceptive social or psychological insights into his own people that arose in his dreams are only one of many facets the American native peoples found in their dream life. And of course Black Elk is only one of the men and women of the Native American people who were visionaries. Dreams as guidance in life Ishi explains how his dream of what turned out to be the coming of the railroad and the train, was central to his whole life and its tragedy. Nevertheless his dreams warned him of the presaging deadly events for his tribe, and helped him find strength to meet what came about. As already pointed out, personal initiation was one of the most fundamental of the facets. Individuals, through prayer, fasting and lonely vigils, sought from their dreams, a vision of their destiny as an individual, and an image to aid a personal link with the Spirit pervading all life. With such a dream the young man or woman could feel themselves to be a real part of their group and their environment. But even this cannot be taken as a generalisation. R.F. Benedict reported in The Vision In Plains Culture (American Anthropologist Vol. 24 1922) that among the Arapahoe, the Gros Ventre and in all the Western Plains peoples north and south, puberty fasting for a vision did not occur. Nevertheless, although details varied as to when and how such dreams were sought, the visionary dream was held as sacred. Sometimes the ways of seeking these visions were very quiet, as when retiring to ones lodge, and sometimes very drastic, when braves suspended themselves from poles on hooks. Sacred fasting Example: When I fasted I was about ten years old, that being the age at which grandparents generally desire their grandchildren to fast. My parents never bothered me at all about fasting, and I don=t suppose I should have fasted at all if I hadn=t a grandparent at that time. About the middle of the little bear month, that is, February, my grandmother came to my house to fetch me. I did not know what she wanted of me. After two days she told me why she had come. So the next morning I received very little to eat and drink. At noon I didn=t get anything to eat at all, and at night I only got a bit of bread and water. There were about seven of us fasting at the same time. All day we would play together, watching each other lest anyone eat during the day. We were to keep this up for ten days. However, at the end of the fifth day I became so hungry that, after my grandmother had gone to sleep, I got up and had a good meal. In the morning, she found out that I had eaten during the night and I had to start all over again. This time I was very careful to keep the fast, for I didn=t want to begin on another ten days. After a while, they built me a little wigwam. It was standing on four poles and about three to four feet from the ground. This was my sleeping-place. My little wigwam was built quite a distance from the house, under an oak tree. I don=t know whether it was the custom to have the young boy fast under a particular tree or not. I believe the wigwam was built in the most convenient place for the old folks to watch it during the day. The first morning my grandmother told me not to accept the first one that came, for there are many spirits who will try to deceive you, and if one accepts their blessings he will surely be led on to destruction. The first four nights I slept very soundly and did not dream of anything. On the fifth night, however, I dreamt that a large bird came to me. It was very beautiful and promised me many things. However, I made up my mind not to accept the gift of the first one who appeared. So I refused, and when it disappeared from view, I saw that it was only a chickadee. The next morning, when my grandmother came to visit me I told her that a chickadee had appeared in my dream and that it had offered me many things. She assured me that the chickadee had deceived many people who had been led to accept this offering. Then a few nights passed and I did not dream of anything. On the eighth night, another big bird appeared to me and I determined to accept its gift, for I was tired of waiting and of being confined in my little fasting wigwam. In my dream of this bird, he took me far to the north where everything was covered with ice. There I saw many of the same kind of birds. Some were very old. They offered me long life and immunity from disease. It was quite a different blessing from that which the chickadee had offered, so I accepted. Then the bird who had come after me, brought me to my fasting wigwam again. When he left me, he told me to watch him before he was out of sight. I did so and saw that he was a white loon. In the morning when my grandmother came to me, I told her of my experience with the white loons and she was very happy about it, for the white loons are supposed to bless very few people. Since then, I have been called White Loon. Not only did White Loon gain his name from his dream, and therefore his adult identity, and whatever respect gained by it from his family and tribe, but he also gained the image of himself as living into old age and having freedom from disease. These are very precious gifts no matter what period of history we consider, or what >tribe=. In a modern city, thousands live without any satisfying sense of connection with, or feeling they are respected by, their >tribe=. Many live under constant fear of serious illness or early death, and businesses are built catering to such fears. The Pueblo Indians Jung, writing about a meeting with some Pueblo Indians in the USA, explains that their religion rests upon the belief that through their frequent ritual, they help the sun to rise each day. Without their tribal attention to the sun, they are sure the sun will no longer rise. AThis idea,@ Jung explains, Aabsurd to us, that a ritual act can magically affect the sun is, upon closer examination, no less irrational but far more familiar to us than might at first be assumed. Our Christian religion - like every other incidentally - is permeated by the idea that special acts or a special kind of action can influence God - for example through certain rites or by prayer, or by a morality pleasing to the divinity. The point Jung makes overall however is that through their beliefs the Pueblo Indians as a group of people, have an intense peace and satisfaction with their life. This deep peace and inner happiness is seldom shared by more >rational= modern communities. I am not trying to argue for irrationality, but the comparison does I believe highlight something that arose from the Amerindian beliefs and use of dreams for guidance and spiritual sustenance. Namely how a belief system, no matter if it is irrational, acts as a psychic immune system against the >germs= of despair, inferiority and meaninglessness. This pride and sense of belonging that was often a marked feature of such tribal peoples prior to the coming of the white races, illustrates one of the main functions of the dreaming process - the psychological compensation or self-regulatory process - and how it acts on the personality if it is deeply accepted. Because the native peoples of America had such trust in the products of their unconscious in dreams and visions, the compensatory images presented were of great benefit, and fulfilled their task of keeping the balance in the individualised identity. Unfortunately the rational attitudes of the invading nationalities, questioning the power of the dream and vision as they did, offered nothing to take the place of the dream. At least, nothing that produced such an obvious sense of pride and tribal and personal identity. Something that becomes apparent in looking at dreams such as White Loon=s is that the cultural attitudes and beliefs White Loon was educated in dominate the content of his dreams. The coming of the chickadee in early dreams was an accepted part of the vision fast, and can be found in many other such dreams of people in his culture while fasting. When an Indian became a Christian, through exposure to a different set of cultural ideas, his or her dream content changed radically. Nevertheless, many dreams were of a personal psychological nature also, showing the individual relationships with the culture and their own inner life. Even though White Loon=s dream of the birds is very deeply cultural, it is interesting that birds often have the same sort of significance in modern dreams. It was out of this sort of observation that Jung developed his theory of the archetypes and the collective unconscious. Dream and visions Something else that is apparent in comparing the visions experienced by native Americans with those of present day individuals - perhaps those using LSD or experiencing visions due to stress such as illness - is that the native Americans entered their visions with some understanding of what to expect and how to deal with the experience. Our own cultural attitudes frequently put us at odds with our own unconscious processes and visionary upsurge. Many people who are confronted by the opening of the unconscious and the events which follow, believe they are going mad, or that they will be overpowered by forces that are antagonistic to them, and will sweep them to their doom. Neither do many people, trained in modern Western ideals of behaviour, know how to exist in the land of vision. Just as few desert people know how to swim, and would feel fear if dropped into deep water, so the person who falls into an altered state of consciousness from the world of modern materialistic thinking, may feel great fear instead of pleasure and the ability to swim. Even the many people who interpret their dreams, have seldom moved beyond the level of thinking, and know nothing through experience of the deep waters of the unconscious. See: abreaction; active imagination. Like other primitive cultures, dreams were seen by the Amerindians as having certain marked features that could be gained from them. There could be an initiatory dream such as we have already considered. There could also be dreams telling where to hunt; dreams showing a new ritual giving some sort of power such as warding off illness, or finding a new relationship with everyday life, or attracting a lover; dreams could show the use of a herb for medicine; dreams might be caused by some sort of evil within ones body, or an external evil such as someone wishing you harm or an evil spirit; there could be a shared dream with another person; the dream might be a revelation from someone who was dead and now in the spirit world; or a dream, as in the third example below, could be a map supporting and guiding the dreamer throughout their whole life. Dreams were often considered to be bad or good. If a dream were considered bad something had to be done about it, such as a cleansing or healing ritual. Example: As an example of an Indians attitudes to dreams, this statement of White Hair, a medicine man, is interesting. AEvery dream that takes place is certain to happen. Whenever the evil spirits influence it, it is certain to happen. Whenever we dream a bad dream we get a medicine man to perform sing and say prayers which will banish the spirit.@ Example: This description by a medicine man explains how he had a dream showing him a new medicine. He says, AI saw a dog that had been shot through the neck and kidneys. I felt sorry for the dog and carried him home and took care of him. I slept with the dog beside me. While there I had a bad dream. The dream changed and the dog became a man. It spoke to me and said, >Now I will give you some roots for medicine and show you how to use them. Whenever you see someone who is ill and feel sorry for him, use this medicine and he will be well.= One of these medicines is good for sore throat.@ Example: This is a fasting dream/vision recorded by Father Lalemont, a Jesuit priest working among the Indians. At the age of about sixteen a youth went alone to a place there he fasted for sixteen days. At the end of this time he suddenly heard a voice in the sky saying, "Take care of this man and let him end his fast." Then he saw an old man of great beauty come down from the sky. The old man came to him, and looking at him kindly said, "Have courage, I will take care of your life. It is a fortunate thing for you to have taken me for your master. None of the demons who haunt these countries will have any power to harm you. One day you will see your own hair as white as mine. You will have four children, the first two and last will be males, and the third will be a girl. After that your wife will hold the relation of a sister to you." As he finished speaking the old man offered him a raw piece of human flesh to eat. When the boy turned his head away in horror, the old man then offered him a piece of bear's fat, saying, "Eat this then." after eating it, the old man disappeared, but came again at crucial periods in the person's life. At manhood he did have four children as described. After his fourth, "a certain infirmity compelled him to continence" He also lived to old age, thus having white hair, and as the eating of the bear fat symbolised, became a gifted hunter with second sight for finding game. The man himself felt that had he eaten the human flesh in the vision, he would have been a warrior instead of a hunter. Such dreams as the above about the use of a herbal root for medicine, show how many herbal treatments, not only among the Amerindians, but from tribal people throughout the world, came about. In fact many tribes attributed the origins of many of their cultural artifacts, their religion, the use of fire, to a specific dream experienced by a past tribal member. Because of the great many Amerindian tribes, and their different dream beliefs, it is impossible to summarise the views of life, death and human origins arising from their dreams visions. The following description of the beliefs of the Naskapi Indians is so pure and simple however, that it probably holds in it many of the beliefs of other tribes. It is taken from Man And His Symbols by Carl Jung, published by Aldus Books, 1964. It is from the section on The Process Of Individuation by Marie L. Von Franz. Dream doorway to wider awareness Example: The inner centre, the Self, or the guiding spirit of a person Ais realised in an exceptionally pure, unspoilt form by the Naskapi Indians, who still exist in the forests of the Labrador Peninsula. These simple people are hunters who live in isolated family groups, so far from one another that they have not been able to evolve tribal customs or collective religious beliefs and ceremonies. In his lifelong solitude the Naskapi hunter has to rely on his own inner voices and unconscious revelations; he has no religious teachers who tell him what he should believe, no rituals, festivals or customs to help him along. In his basic view of life the soul of man is simply an Inner companion whom, he calls My Friend or Mista peo, meaning Great Man. Mista peo dwells I the heart and is immortal. In the moment of death, or just before, he leaves the individual, and later reincarnates himself in another being. Those Naskapi who pay attention to their dreams and who try to find their meaning and test their truth can enter into a greater connection with the Great Man. He favours such people and sends them more and better dreams. Thus the major obligation of an individual Naskapi is to follow the instructions given by his dreams, and then to give permanent form to their contents in art. Lies and dishonesty drive the Great Man away from one's inner realm, whereas generosity and love of his neighbours and of animals attract him and give him life. Dreams give the Naskapi complete ability to find his way in life, not only in the inner world but also in the outer world of nature. They help him to foretell the weather and give him invaluable guidance in his hunting, upon which his life depends...... Just as the Naskapi have noticed that a person who is receptive to the Great Man gets better and more helpful dreams, we could add that the inborn Great Man becomes more real within the receptive person than in those who neglect him. Such a person also becomes amore complete human being." This feature is an excerpt from The New Dream Dictionary by Tony Crisp, published by Little Brown, UK. It is therefore copyright material. This larger version of Dream Dictionary can only be purchased in the UK, but will be posted anywhere in the world. http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0316879576/waves04/202-1806058-2611862 For other such features see DreamHawk. http://www.dreamhawk.com/d-ency.htm Visit Tony Crisp's website - http://dreamhawk.com - or e=mail tony@dreamhawk.com See Tony Crisp's in-print books - in the USA - http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/external-search/002-0225381-1301211?tag=waves&keyword=Tony+Crisp See Tony's in-print books - in the UK - http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/external-search/026-4917122-5856429?tag=waves04&keyword=Tony+Crisp&mode=book -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- The Underground Railroad of Dreams by Robert Moss -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Reprinted by permission of author When I moved to upstate New York in the mid-1980s, I started dreaming in a language I did not know, which proved to be an archaic version of Mohawk. Eventually I studied the Mohawk language to interpret my dream communications with an ancient woman healer and a warrior shaman (ratetshents). I learned that in traditional Iroquois society, dream-sharing is the first business of the day. Dreaming is regarded as a social, as well as a personal activity. The role of the community is to support the dreamer in fulfilling a happy dream (or avoiding an unpleasant event foreseen in dreams); to harvest messages for the benefit of others; and to honor and celebrate the dream n for example, through dream theatre. The Iroquois describe dreams as wishes of the soul. They recall us to our soul's purpose, our heart's desire. If this is ignored, we lose part of our vital soul energy, we become sick or depressed. My dream-driven studies of Iroquois dream practice led me into fascinating territory. I discovered that early immigrants to North America, fleeing war and oppression in the Old World, were also guided by dreams. This was central to the survival of the Palatine Germans who arrived in the first mass migration to what is now the United States in 1710. Conrad Weiser, who emerged as a great Indian interpreter and peacemaker on the borders of New York and Pennsylvania, was welcomed among the Mohawks because of his dreams; I wrote an account of his early life in _The Interpreter_. When I followed my dreams, quite literally, to a home in Troy, N.Y. in 1990, a new character entered my dreaming: a stocky little black woman in period clothes, often wearing a mannish hat, who bobbed up from time to time on my mental screen, usually in the twilight zone between waking and sleep. I did not identify her until I had a big dream many years later in which I found myself teaching the history of the Underground railroad in schools across North America. Not having had an American education, I had to do some fast research. When I saw photos of Harriet Tubman, I recognized the woman I had glimpsed in the hypnagogic zone. I was fascinated to learn that she dreamed of flying to freedom, over landscapes she subsequently crossed on foot. Later she was guided by specific precognitive or clairvoyant dreams to safe houses, river crossings and friendly helpers she had never encountered in waking reality. In this way, she escorted 300 escaping slaves to freedom, without ever losing one of her "packages". I discovered that in 1860, she had visited my home town of Troy, and led a riot that freed a fugitive slave. What a powerful example of how we can "dream our dream" in entirely practical ways! What a difference it might make to our understanding of dreams, as a culture, if the role of dreams in the Underground Railroad n and in the lives of many others struggling to survive and prosper throughout history n were made the focus for well-conceived school education projects. These projects should be experiential, not simply didactic. We can go to the sites, and take kids there, and try to dream our way into the human experience associated with these places. We can practice "dream archeology", sending ourselves backward through time in a state of conscious dreaming, as I once did in order to describe the scenes of the Battle of Lake George (1755) in my novel _The Firekeeper_. As we recover the true history of dreaming n which may be a secret history of the world n we will gain courage and confidence for the urgent and creative task of building a dreaming culture for the 21st century. A dreaming culture is one in which dreams are shared and celebrated in every environment n at the workplace, at the clinic, in schools and in families. In a dreaming culture, our lives and our interactions would be different, and magical. Here are some of the ways: Community Dreamwork By creating a safe space for each other to share and work with our dreams, we move quickly beyond barriers of prejudice and misunderstanding, and build deeper relationships. In our dreaming culture, families and larger communities will share and explore dreams in order to move beyond taboos, tell their troubles, achieve healing and resolution n and as wonderful entertainment, generating song and story, dance and theatre, as well as strategies for bringing the energy and insight of dreams into manifestation. Dream Navigation In our dreaming culture, it is generally understood n as most traditional dreaming peoples know n that we dream the future, maybe all the time. The futures we perceive in dreams are possible futures. By clarifying messages and taking appropriate action, we can change the odds that any particular scenario will be enacted. In our dreaming culture, we will check our dreams for guidance on the probable outcome of the choices we are making. As dream scouts, we will bring through dream guidance on the possible future for the benefit of others, and for the community as a whole. Dreamwork in Medicine and Healing In dreams our bodies show us what is going on inside them and what they need to stay well. Early warning dreams forecast conditions that may develop, often years before physical symptoms appear n and often counsel on prevention and alternative approaches. When we do become ill, dreams give us fresh and powerful imagery for healing and recovery. Because the body does not appear to distinguish between a physical event and a mental or emotional event that carries real energy, these images can help us reshape the physical blueprint. Some leading-edge research suggests that in this way we may even be able to change the cellular memory of the body. Above all, dreaming puts us in touch with the hidden sources of illness and wellness, and opens paths to recovering soul. Dreaming in Schools Keeping a dream journal is excellent writing practice, and constantly opens up exciting avenues for research. Telling dreams builds powerful communications skills and brings the gift of story. Dream rehearsal prepares us for tests n perhaps literal school tests n while dream incubation helps us to tap into a deeper source and bring through creative solutions. These are some of the reasons why dreaming and dreamwork deserve a central place in our schools, starting in pre-K. In our dreaming culture, schoolkids will gain credits for keeping dream journals. They will do projects on Einsteinos dreams, dreams in art and literature, dreams in social evolution and world cultures. Dreams to Help the Dying In our dreaming culture, the practice of dreaming is recognized as vital preparation for the transition to life beyond life. The Plains Indians say that the path of the soul after death is the same as the path of the soul in dreams. Dreaming, we learn to move smoothly and naturally into other dimensions. Conscious dreaming, like meditation, familiarizes us with paths and landscapes beyond physical reality. For those who do not have a dream and cannot meditate, the "dream transfer" technique offers caregivers wonderful ways to help open doors and clear the paths. Dreaming and Future Science Dreaming is central to the emerging science of consciousness, which is likely to be the most important science of the 21st century. Active dreamers and long-term dream journalists provide direct, experiential data that is crucial to new lines of scientific discovery and research. Research inside dreams n through conscious dreaming techniques n provides immediate access to multidimensional reality and a means of testing scientific speculation about parallel universes, the holographic model, and the possibility of travel across time. The challenge before us is to marry the best of our science and scholarship to the ancient arts of dreaming that recognize dreams as both wishes and experiences of soul and offer a path for evolving consciousness that can help us build more compassionate and creative communities. We can dream our dream and we can dream our world if we remember, like Harriet Tubman, that we can fly. (c) Robert Moss 2000. All rights reserved. ----------------------------------------------------------- The full story of Harriet Tubmanos dreams of guidance is told in Robert Mosso new book, Dreaming True (Pocket Books, September 2000). An excellent introduction to Harrietos life, suitable for older children as well as adult readers, is Ann Petry, Harriet Tubman, Conductor on the Underground Railroad (New York: Pocket Books, 1971). Benjamin Drew, The Refugee: A North-Side View of Slavery (Reading, Massachusetts: Addison-Wesley, 1969), first published in 1855, includes accounts of other fugitive slaves who escaped to Canada, guided by dreams. For the experience of traveling the Underground Railroad, make a station stop at Anthony Cohenos Menare Foundation website, www.ugrrr.org. Tony Cohen is a brilliant young African-American historian who has walked the routes of escaping slaves, sometimes in his bare feet. Learning objectives: As an educational project, the Underground Railroad of Dreams has the following learning objectives: a. Developing a new kind of social history that gives dreaming its rightful place. b. Creating dream education projects for schools and community study based on the role of the dreams in the Underground Railroad, the practices of Native Americans, and the immigrant experience. c. Unfolding a vision of how incubating and sharing dreams as a daily practice can help us to overcome barriers of social intolerance, bring through creative innovation, heal organizations and relationships n and provide a decisive contribution to the emerging science of the new century, the science of consciousness. d. Learning to dream true the way Harriet Tubman dreamed true n and bring insight and energy from our dreams to create better lives for ourselves and our communities. Help this dream grow! We are interested in bringing this important theme to colleges, schools, community groups and general audiences. Email robert@mossdreams.com if you would like to suggest further venues or help facilitate programs. We are also interested in collecting more personal experiences and historical examples of how people of all backgrounds have been able to "dream their dream" for the benefit of the community as well as themselves. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Robert Moss is a world-renowned dream explorer, a best-selling novelist and a former foreign correspondent and professor of ancient history. His many books include Conscious Dreaming, Dreamgates and Dreaming True: How to Dream Your Future and Change Your Life for the Better. He is also the author of the popular Sounds True audio series Dream Gates: A Journey into Active Dreaming. Visit Robertos website, www.mossdreams.com. Robert Moss will be leading a high-energy weekend workshop on dream healing,"Dancing With the Bear: Recovering the Arts of Dream Healing" August 11-12, 2001 in Santa Fe. Please contact Lydia Mueller (505) 820-7813, e-mail lydiawm@earthlink.net for information and registration. Scheduled for the week prior to the workshop are: a book-signing at Page One in Albuquerque on Wed. 8/8 @ 7-8:30 p.m.; and a book-signing at The Ark in Santa Fe on Thursday 8/9 @ 5:30-7 p.m., followed by a talk at Longevity Café @ 7:30-9 p.m. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Twin Foresight, Fear, Falling and Energy Body Awareness in Lucid Dreams. Excerpts from an email correspondence between Marc Vandekeere and another lucid dreaming and out of body awareness enthusiast. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Dreamer 1: Thank you so much for your speedy and supportive reply. I look forward to joining your lucid dreaming research group. At the moment I am not getting much sleep - never mind dreaming. By the way I kept a dream diary in the late 70s and got around four or five dreams a night easily. I don't know if you recommend this but if you give each dream a title it helps with recall. Even now if I look at that dream diary (that's 25 years old!) and read the title of a dream I have quite a lot of recall on it. Marc: Definitely! Keeping a dream journal is not the easiest thing to do, but it certainly is one of the most effective ways fo increasing your dreaming progress, and giving each dream a title is a perfect way of increasing your recall of it at a later date. Isn't it great to have access to an extra set of memories! Some of my vivid lucid dreams seem like they happened just yesterday. They were so intense that they became wonderfully embedded into my memory banks. Dreamer 1: Can I relate something that happened during that time which I cannot understand properly? Could you throw some light on this? At that time I worked as a secretary. I have a non-identical twin sister and she was working in a different country. Anyway I went away and I did not think to tell anyone where I was - I just went off for a couple of months. When I got back my sister was frantically trying to trace me because of a 'dream' she had. What happened was she dreamed that in her dream I was calling her name. She 'awoke' in the dream and could not see me - she just saw the darkness around her. She asked me where I was and I said, 'I am dead'. I was apparently annoyed that she could not see me. I have forgotten most of the other details. Needless to say, my sister was distraught because she had no idea where I was. When I got back and we met I looked through my dream diary to see what I dreamt of that particular night and in one of the dreams I dreamt I was skiing down a dark tunnel and lost a ski and lost control. So I was traveling down into what felt like the interior of the earth fast on one ski. That's all the detail I had written and all I can recall now, but I can remember the dream even now. I have never consciously had an out of body experience. What do you think that was all about? Marc: It is difficult for me to say with certainty since the most important meanings will come from you as the dreamer, but for starters, it goes to show how handy and useful a dream journal can be when making future references just as you did. A seemingly unimportant dream may take on new meaning when examined at a later date with a new perspective. I think it is also worth mentioning that twins really do display an uncanny ability to mentally communicate between themselves. Possibly, sharing some time together in one womb could set up a stronger telepathic link or a stronger energetic link and/or connection. I also believe there is a similar link or bonding between a mother and child. With that in mind, your twin's dream being of that nature and intensity should be examined for meaning. I often try to approach life more symbolically and dreams more literally to get as much as possible out of both waking and dreaming experiences. Your waking events can hold as much meaning and symbolism as your dreams if you begin to look for the patterns. Developing your awareness in this way can help create a new set of eyes to experience your waking world. Synchronicity begins to replace coincidence as your awareness the waking world regains its youthful magic through these newly formed eyes. First, I would try to approach the dream from several angles within this literal to symbolic range. See if you can act upon it somehow or at least try to learn something from it. You could begin with a literal, practical approach by asking if you often slalom ski (on one-ski) or if you ever could foresee yourself as being in a similar situation. If this is the case, be sure to look for any possibility that this could be a precognitive dream. If so, have your hindsight activated to pick up on any similar events in the future. When possible you can try to alter the outcome of the waking version by making different decisions and acting differently than the original dream to change the results. If you have little recall to work with from the original dream just keep a respectful (but not paranoid :) awareness of this intuition. Next, try to interpret the imagery and symbolism for meanings. What does the act of skiing symbolize to you? How about skiing with only one ski? Does the dream reflect any scenario, activity or relationship that was on your mind during that time? or possibly on your mind now? By trying as many angles and exploring many potential symbolic meanings you can often find several meanings that can apply to the same dream. In my opinion, there is no right or wrong approach to dream interpretation as long as you are learning something about yourself along the way. Dreamer 1: Two other things I would like to ask you if you don't mind replying to queries are: Firstly, I am very afraid about heights - would this prevent or interfere with a conscious out of body experience? Marc: It could at times until you deal with the concept of fear itself, but this would apply to anyone about any fears not specifically fear of heights. In an altered state you can become exhilarated and sometimes even perceptually Hypersensitized. If you become conscious in a dreamscape where anything can possibly happen and this dreamscape is largely influenced and linked by your thoughts themselves, any fears can play a role in influencing the experience itself. Thoughts of fear can alter the actual fabric of the dreamscape and make for some incredible spooky experiences if you do not keep the fear in check. More on fear in the next query, but for now, it is safe to say that you could begin a process of dealing with fear itself in your dreams. You cannot be physically harmed in your dreams. You may "feel" scared and even terrified within a dream, but you will not feel pain in your dreams. Try to ingrain this notion, the idea that you CANNOT be harmed in your dreams. No matter how scary, no matter how high in the air you may be, it can cause no harm to your physical body. The experiencing of the fear itself is as bad as it will ever get. In a sense fear acts as an illusion albeit a strong and persuasive one. You should view it as a menacing dog with a loud bark, but no teeth. It barks and threatens your conscious mind trying to scare you away, but if you have confidence that you cannot be harmed, you can work on keeping the fear in check. Once you have more practice dealing with fear in general you will be better equipped to take on specific fears like a fear of heights or fear of the dark or whatever fears may be mentally harboring within you. In the next query, a powerful technique for confronting your fears will be outlined. Dreamer 1: 2. Whenever I am troubled, my fear seems to be symbolized (well often) in having to experience falling or nearly falling from a great height in my dreams. On a number of occasions like this (and other dream states also) I awake with a churning in the solar plexus. It is so strong and so 'whirring' that I have to get up and walk around the room - curled up - as though in pain - but it is not pain it is a discomfort that seems to have its origin in my etheric body but transfers into the solar plexus chakra. Any ideas what this may be? Marc: I often experience similar falling sensations, but have become accustomed to the dropping sensation and actually enjoy it. Then again, I love roller coasters so it may be a personal preference issue as well. I believe that these sensations are linked to the issue of fear again. If you have a strong fear of something like a fear of heights it can serve as a channel for any fear that arises in a lucid dream or out of body experience. Once you become scared or spooked in an altered state the mental reflex to make sense of the experience kicks in and presto-chango... the next thing you know, you are falling from a cliff even if you were initially spooked by a strange character or a dark alley. The experience gets processed as fear and then manifested as falling since it is a predominant fear. I have found that becoming aware while dreaming or while having an out of body experience can often throw the conscious mind for a subjective loop especially in the beginning stages. Your fear arises within the dream-realm. Most commonly, a quite justified fear of the unknown can begin to influence the experience itself. I believe fear arises as a natural blockade to experiencing lucid dreams or going out of body with your awareness. These fear barriers are in place to prevent us from going "beyond" the current envelope of our accepted beliefs. This natural psychic defense mechanism may prevent those who are not ready for this type of advanced inner development. For example, a person may have many unresolved issues and many conscious or even subconscious fears. If this person were to become lucid in a dream or travel out of body, these issues and fears could easily manifest in the dreamscape or astral realm. While dreaming or experiencing an altered mindstate, the communication lines open up somewhat between your conscious and subconscious minds. This direct interaction can create some peculiar experiences. In almost all cases, fear is one of the first obstacles to address and overcome. From a positive, developmental perspective, you can view fear as a signpost for inner growth. Whether conscious or subconscious if an experience triggers your fear reflex, simply learn to deal with it and try to get to the core issue and address the cause instead of the symptom that is the experience of the fear. Dreams are ideal for this type of inner development because they provide a nightly, no-harm environment for you to practice your ability to manage fear. I say manage fear because it is usually present (or can be) to some degree when experiencing many altered states of consciousness like dreams, lucid dreams, out of body experiences and other forms of trance meditation. This fear reflex is practically hard-wired into our neural networks so trying to remove it entirely is pointless. You simply deal with the fear and learn to "see it" for the mental barrier that it truly is. I recommend using fear as a cue to become alert and check your surroundings to see if in fact you are dreaming or experiencing some form of altered state. TECHNIQUE FOR CONFRONTING YOUR FEARS: If you do feel a rush of fear or panic, do not fight it or try to remove it since this will place the power of your awareness upon the fear itself and will often magnify the effects. Instead of fighting it, you should try addressing it, accepting it and approaching it in a loving manner. Say Ahello@ to it and ask it what it is trying to tell you. This simple technique of facing your fears in a dream can create some miraculous insights and often tip the dream-scales in your favor. On many occasions I have tried this techniques with incredibly positive results. After confidently, acceptingly and lovingly approaching a menacing figure within a dream, the once-bad guy will often transform into a friend or someone who is ready to help you, or they may run away entirely. In either case, you dealt with it and confronted it and now you are no longer in a fear-induced and fear-perpetuated situation. I suggest practicing this fear confrontation technique whenever the opportunity arises within a dream or even in your waking world. You will see that waking fear can be as much of an illusion and a barrier to experience as it is in the dreaming state. With practice of confronting your fears in your dreams, you wind up having better dreams and a better ability to remain self-assured and self-confident in both your dreaming and waking worlds. ENERGY AWARENESS: Concerning the intense whirring, energetic sensations in the solar plexus, there may be several issues involved. My initial guess would be that you are becoming more consciously aware of the flowing of energy as it courses through the biocircuits of your energy body. Altered mindstates often correspond to an increased awareness of your energy body. Many people experience this energetic flow in different ways, but it is common to hear it described as you have as a Astrong whirring@ sensation. In your case, the energetic flow seems to be pooling its energy and intensity and as a result, this may be overwhelming the nearest energy center located at the solar plexus. Some extremely intense experiences, particularly fear, will cause increases in overall energy usage and flow in the energy body along with increased neurochemical and electrical activity in the physical body. With practice you should find that the energy body becomes better able to handle these energetic surges and much like developing your physical body, it requires some time and practice to develop and strengthen your energetic pathways. In the meantime, if you are having negative experiences with these energetic overloads, do exactly as you have done by walking around the room. Moving around helps decrease your energetic awareness and creates a shift back to your waking physical awareness that is less energetically sensitive, at least not at conscious levels. You may also want to perform an energy-grounding ritual. This exercise below can be used to release excess energy and hopefully, it can help remove the physical symptoms. "Energy Grounding" Exercise: 1.) Stand barefooted 2.) Become aware of the energetic build-up 3.) Begin to mentally allow the excess energy to flow down and out of your body into the ground. Imagine all excess energy to be swirling and draining from your body, downward through your legs and feet into the ground. 4.) While doing this visualization, repeat an affirmation as a trigger phrase to reinforce the effectiveness of this energy grounding activity. For example, you could say, "I am calm. I am peaceful. I release this excess energy and allow it to become grounded in the center of the Earth." Feel free to make your ritual and affirmation as simple or complex as you desire. The crucial empowering factor is the belief that your awareness is capable of making energetic shifts in this manner. The more you believe it, the more you feel it, the more results you will experience...just like in your dreams. **If possible try to do this exercise outside, but if this is not possible, try to be close to ground level or even in a basement. Wherever you do it though, the results will work if you have the right beliefs in place. **Along the same lines, you do not need to barefooted. It only helps the process and reinforces the exercise. READER SIDE NOTE: I have recently started trying out Robert Bruce's NEW System, New Energetic Ways. I find the background information and material excellent, and the exercises are great vehicles for increasing the awareness of one's energy body. If anyone is interested in more information on the energy body, I highly recommend Robert Bruce's website at http://astraldynamics.com . Check out the "Training Guides" link to access the NEW SYSTEM and also read his "Treatise on Astral Projection" if you have time. They are both wonderful awareness guides. The ASTRAL PULSE website is a virtual gold mine of resources on out of body consciousness, energy work and other awareness-related topics. Be sure to check out when you get a chance, you will be happy that you did! Dreamer 1: Thank you for your gracious reply and I look forward to being involved in your research project(s). Marc: It is my pleasure. We are happy to have you on board. You can check out the new website for The Dream Initiative at: http://come.to/dreamresearch and feel free to email me if you have any questions. I am always happy to help when I can. Dreamer 1: Oh, and please do not be impressed with my background - I am a newby! Marc: Aren't we all though... J all the BEst, marc ^v^ Lucid Dreaming Resources: Get Info http://how.to/luciddream Lucid Dreaming Research: Get Involved http://come.to/dreamresearch BRAINWAVE MIND VOYAGES: Get the Brainwave Advantage... http://www.brainwave-entrainment.com *new C D Releases* "It is a great feeling, the feeling to fly with your own wings in the open sky of life. It is a great joy, the joy to be yourself." -Shanti <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< G L O B A L D R E A M I N G N E W S July 2001 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< If you have news you'd like to share, contact Peggy Coats, pcoats@dreamtree.com. Visit Global Dreaming News online at http://www.dreamtree.com/ This Month's Features: NEWS - Last Chance to Participate in 2001 Dream Odyssey! - Dreaming and Awakening Retreat - The Dream Toolbox - Dancing with the Bear, Dream Healing Workshop - Dreamwork Training Program RESEARCH & REQUESTS - Lucid Dreaming Examples Wanted WEBSITE & ONLINE UPDATES - Progoff Dream Journalling - DREAM CALENDAR for July 2001 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< N E W S <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< >>>> Last Chance to Register and Join the 2001 Dream Odyssey Register now for the ASD 2001 Conference, July 10-15 or the mini-conference, July 13-15th http://www.asdreams.org/2001/asd18_registrationidx.htm Don't wait another day. The deadline for mail-in registration is July 1. The deadline for online registration is July 5. So There will be LIMITED onsite registration, and if those wanting onsite registration would please call the hotline 1-866-DREAM12 and let ASD know their names and whether they will be coming for the full or mini-conference, they will hold a space for them. 2001 CONFERENCE PROGRAM IS ONLINE! http://www.asdreams.org/2001 You can now read the entire program booklet on line. If you are attending the conference, this will help you make your selections. If you can't attend, experience the conference vicariously by reading the online program. The conference program is a 1 MB download that requires an Adobe reader. If that is too technologically challenging then try: INTERACTIVE 2001 PROGRAM HIGHLIGHTS ON LINE You can view program highlights without a download and there are links that allow you to jump to the web page of many of our presenters. Thanks to Richard Wilkerson for making this new interactive highlights version available. Check it out. Plus don't forget to peruse the conference abstracts Click here to read conference abstracts: http://dreamtalk.hypermart.net/2001/abstracts/ GLOBAL PARTICIPATION IN THE 2001 CONFERENCE -- DREAM TIME LIVE will provide live broadcasts of conference news and events and interviews with cyberdreaming pioneers such as Robert Bosnak and others. See the conference program or conference highlights on our web site for details. Special Dream Time Live events will occur on Wednesday, July 11th, 4:30-6:15 PM, Thursday July 12th 3:30-4:30, Saturday July 14th 10-11 AM (All Pacific Daylight Time). >>>> Dreaming and Awakening Retreat A 10-day Residential Training Program in Lucid Dreaming and Tibetan Dream Yoga with Stephen LaBerge and Alan Wallace Kalani, Hawaii, August 1 - 10, 2001 http://www.lucidity.com/DAAK2001.html Becoming adept at lucid dreaming requires focused attention and practice that is difficult to maintain during our busy lives. This retreat provides an ideal opportunity to devote time to cultivating your lucid dreaming ability and enhancing your mindfulness in everyday life, using the most effective techniques and technology, derived from Tibetan dream yoga and Western science. Although we cannot guarantee that everyone will have (and remember) a lucid dream during the program, in past years, most participants have done so, and all have experienced enhanced awareness of the dreamlike nature of "reality." Join us in this unique opportunity! The retreat includes: Ten days and nine nights of balanced fun and focus on consciousness, dreaming and awakening at the beautiful, dream-inspiring Kalani Oceanside Retreat Center on the Big Island of Hawaii; Daily group and individual exercises in developing lucid dreaming skills and enhancing consciousness, dreaming and waking; Valuable insight into the application of lucidity and mindfulness to all aspects of life; A sleep schedule (including naps) optimized for the promotion of lucid dreams; Use of lucid dream induction technology; Discussion sessions and personal guidance by Dr. Stephen LaBerge, world- renowned expert on lucid dreaming, and by Dr. Alan Wallace, a lucid and inspiring interpreter of Tibetan Buddhism. Kalani Oceanside Retreat is located on 113 spacious acres of botanical forest along the sunny and secluded Puna Coast on "the Big Island" of Hawaii. Bordered by tropical forest and rugged lava coastline and near Kilauea, the most active volcano in the world, Kalani is the only coastal lodging facility within Hawaii's largest conservation area. Twenty acres are dedicated to landscaped lawns and retreat facilities. On-site amenities include an Olympic-size swimming pool, two jacuzzis, and a sauna. Among nearby attractions are a black-sand beach, tidepools, thermal springs, natural steam vents, Volcanoes National Park, botanical gardens, and hiking to waterfalls. The sea cliffs of the Kalani coastal area provide for close-up views of turtles, dolphins, and migrating whales. The retreat will focus on methods of developing the mental skills that foster lucid dreaming and on directing your consciousness in the dream state towards fulfillment of your personal goals. We will reflect on the nature and value of consciousness in waking as well as dreaming, exploring the nature of "reality" and how our perceptions and assumptions influence our experience of life. We will practice meditation and other techniques, especially drawn from the "Great Perfection" (Dzogchen) tradition of Tibetan Buddhism, designed to enhance the serenity, stability, and vividness of attention. The aim of such training is to experience the nature of our own awareness, free of all conceptual constructs. Such meditative training is an excellent complement to the Tibetan practices of dream yoga. We shall also explore the practical and theoretical differences and common ground between the modern scientific approach to lucid dreaming and the ancient Tibetan approach to dream yoga. The stunning environment of Kalani will be naturally conducive to lifting our minds out of limiting habits of thought and action. We will have group outings to sites we find particularly inspiring, and there will be time for your own explorations as well. The three meals daily are wholesome vegetarian (with fresh fish and chicken options), featuring local Hawaiian fruits and organic produce. Meals are served on the open-air dining lanai. The accommodations are lovely, in natural wood with plenty of light, a clean, modern, yet rustic feel. Hawaiian weather is delightfully mild throughout the year. The temperature at Kalani will range from the mid-60's to the mid-80's. Brief rain-showers are common, especially at night, but there is plenty of sunshine as well, mainly in the day, unless you are dreaming. To enhance your nocturnal vision, a full moon is scheduled during the retreat. Participants in our past retreats have found it a wonderful combination of work and play, with 95% evaluating it as "very" or "extremely satisfying." They also enjoyed phenomenal success at lucid dreaming, with most having at least one during the program. Join us this August and be assured that, in addition to having lots of fun and making new friends, you will experience reality in a new light, and the principles of lucid dreaming you will learn will serve you well in discovering what is important for you in your life, day and night. ABOUT THE PRESENTERS -- Stephen LaBerge, Ph.D. is a world renowned authority on lucid dreaming. His pioneering studies at Stanford University have brought scientific attention to this potentially illuminating state of consciousness, and his best-selling books Lucid Dreaming and Exploring the World of Lucid Dreaming, have introduced many to the experience. For the past 20 years, he has researched methods for teaching people to become lucid dreamers, developing techniques and lucid dreaming induction devices. Alan Wallace, Ph.D., professor of Tibetan Buddhism and language at UC Santa Barbara, has often served as translator to H.H. the Dalai Lama, and has written, translated, edited, or contributed to over thirty books on Tibetan Buddhism and the interface between science and religion. He has practiced as a Buddhist monk for fourteen years, and after leaving UCSB in June of 2001, he plans to establish an institute for contemplative science. To be informed of progress toward founding this institute, send email to Thomas Tarleton , requesting that your name be placed on the contempative science mailing list. SCHEDULE -- Wednesday evening, August 1 - Friday morning, August 10, 2001. FEES -- Standard rate, US$2000, includes room and board. Space is limited; a non-refundable deposit of US$200 will reserve you a place in the program. The balance is due June 21st. SCHOLARSHIPS -- Contingent upon space availability, we plan to offer several scholarships providing reduced fees, as determined by demonstrated financial need and merit. If you would like to attend this program, but feel the cost is beyond your means, please contact us immediately. Send an email to scholar@lucidity.com describing your interest in lucid dreaming and how much you can afford to pay. Or call us at the numbers below. We'll do our best to work out a way for you to join us. Residents of Hawaii, inquire about kama'aina discounts and greatly reduced fees for those attending the sessions only while lodging elsewhere. FOR INFORMATION OR TO REGISTER CALL: +1 650 321-9969 or 1 800 GO LUCID (1 800 465-8243) daakf@lucidity.com * http://www.lucidity.com/DAAK2001.html >>> The Dream Toolbox The Dream Toolbox v.1.06 has finally been released! The pre-release version had a great response last summer at several professional conferences, including the Association for the Study of Dreams (ASD) conference, the American Psychological Association (APA) conference & the Society for Psychotherapy Research (SPR) conference. After months of testing and much reworking, The Dream Toolbox is finally available to the public. The Dream Toolbox is an interactive computerized version of the Cognitive-Experiential model of working with dreams, developed by Dr. Clara Hill, eminent professor of psychology at the University of Maryland. The model involves a 3-stage process of exploring your dreams, understanding their personal meaning to you, and using what you learned to make positive changes in your life. The Hill model is an integrative, pantheoretical approach to working with dreams that is likely to appeal to most people who are interested in dreams and dream work. It's a great tool for personal growth, but you can also use it for helping your clients (if you're a counselor), training your students (if you're a teacher/professor), & conducting research (for all you scientific/academic types). The Hill model is the most researched model of dream interpretation there is. It was developed based on research, has been the subject of many studies of dream interpretation process & outcome, and more research is conducted each year. In fact, a new study is in the works to examine The Dream Toolbox itself. Research results consistently show that clients learn about themselves and enjoy the process of working with dreams when using this method. For more information and to purchase and/or download a registerable limited demo (for Mac or Windows), visit The Dream Toolbox website at: http://www.theampersandgroup.com/DreamToolbox >>>> Dancing With The Bear - Recovering the Arts of Dream Healing A transformational Weekend with Robert Moss in Santa Fe, New Mexico ~ August 11-12, 2001 Join us for an exciting and challenging weekend of adventure in which we practice the ancient arts of dream travel, time-folding, shared dreaming,shape-shifting, energy transfer and soul recovery. Journey into a deeper reality to receive gifts of initiation, insight, and healing; and learn powerful techniques for "dreaming your dream", bringing dreams of guidance and healing to others, and healing our world. Create Safe and Sacred Space for Healing Yourself and Others Work With the Dream Animals and Spirit Helpers Learn to Travel in Your Dreams and Bring Back Gifts of Healing Learn to Transfer a Healing Experience to Someone In Need of a Dream Meet the Ancestors of Your Spiritual Background and of the Land You Call Home Honor Your Dreams Through Spontaneous Dream Theatre Recover Aspects of Soul and Self Connect With Your Higher Self And Learn to Dream True In this high-energy workshop, we delve deep into the source of healing, flowing with the dreaming of Mother Earth and the animal guardians. As we celebrate and honor our journeys and explore the possible ways to wholeness and fulfillment, wešll manifest our heartšs desires and follow the path of soul with greater passion, courage and spontaneity. We meet at Sunrise Springs Inn & Retreat, a beautiful 69-acre retreat center in Northern New Mexico (just 20 minutes from downtown Santa Fe). Set in a quiet, rural valley with spring-fed ponds and centuries-old cottonwoods, Sunrise Springs offers elegant overnight accommodations and meals. Visit their website, www.sunrisesprings.com. To reserve a bed-and-breakfast package, call (800) 955-0028 by July 9 and mention "Way of the Dreamer". Registration: Tuition is $180 if paid by July 9, or $200 thereafter. Please make checks payable to "Lydia Mueller" and mail to P.O. Box 9433, Santa Fe, NM 87504. For more information on lodging, call (505) 820-7813 or e-mail lydiawm@earthlink.net. Robert Moss is a renowned shamanic dream explorer whose fascination with the dreamworlds springs from his early childhood in Australia, where he survived a series of near-death experiences. He teaches innovative courses in dreamwork, shamanism, creativity and personal growth all over the world. His many publications include the books Conscious Dreaming, Dreamgates, Dreaming True and the audio series Dream Gates: A Journey into Active Dreaming. Visit his website at www.mossdreams.com >>>> Dreamwork Training Program Twin Lakes College of the Healing Arts 1210 Brommer St., Santa Cuz, CA 95062 www.twinlakescollege.org e-mail: tlcinfo@pacbell.net (831) 476-2152 Sept.17 - April 29 Monday eves: 6:00 - 9:00 PM Twin Lakes College of the Healing Arts is offering an in-depth training in dreamwork for people who want a professional practice in dreamwork, professionals who want to integrate dreamwork into another practice of the healing or educational arts, and for those who just want to learn more about how to work with their own dreams. Training is oriented towards Jungian based dreamwork, while integrating other cultural and theoretical perspectives. Classes include lectures, experiential dreamwork, group discussions and supervised practice. This extended couese has been carefully designed to provide an optimal training pace for study, practice, and integration of the material. A Dream Studies Certificate will be awarded upon the successful completion of this program. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< R E S E A R C H & R E Q U E S T S <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< >>> Creative Lucid Dreaming Examples Wanted Have you ever used lucid dreaming to solve any kind of problem? Do you have examples of lucid dreams that you consider creative in some sense? If so, we'd like to hear from you. We are deliberately leaving the definition of creativity up to you. For example, experiences of deep meaning or transcendence are likely to qualify. Please email your accounts to creative@lucidity.com. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< W E B S I T E & O N L I N E U P D A T E S <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< >>> Progroff Dream Journalling http://www.intensivejournal.org/ Although the Progoff method of journalling goes beyond dreamwork, it does include dream journaling as part of the process. The Progoff techniques have help people learn journal keeping around the world and they have raised the standard for excellence in this area. Although the Progoff Intensive Journal (r) Program for Self-Development site is mostly a advertizing site, they do provide a listing of local seminars and articles and interviews from Ira Progoff. Your dream journalling is bound to be raised to a new level by any of their courses or seminars. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< D R E A M C A L E N D A R July 2001 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< July 5-6, Moraga, CA Class at St. Mary's College ("Come Alive" program): "Using Dreamwork for Professional Growth and Personal Transformation," Thursday and Friday, 10-4:00pm. 1 unit of credit available. Contact Dr. Katherine Perez at St. Mary's School of Education: 925.631.4700. July 7-8, Moraga, CA Class at St. Mary's College:"Psychology of Dreams and Symbols," Saturday and Sunday, 10-4:30. Credit avaialable. Contact Laura Hide at 925.631.4293 July 10-15, Santa Cruz, CA Association for the Study of Dreams annual conference. For brochure go to www.ASDreams.org/2001 Continuing education credits available. Dream art exhibit. Dream ball. Meet dreamers from all over the world. Jul 15-20, Lennox, MA The Temple of Dream Healing, an intensive with author Robert Moss. For more information visit the website at www.mossdreams.com or contact Kripalu (800) 741-7353, www.kripalu.org July 16-20, Berkeley, CA Class in the Graduate Theological Union Summer Session: "Exploring our Spiritual Selves Through Dreamwork," Monday through Friday, 5:30-9:30pm EVENING class (#PSSPSS0142). Class meets on the Pacific School of Religion campus. Housing available, if you need it. Cost is $265 for auditing or for 2 continuing education units, or $365 for 1.5 semester hours credit. Register online at www.gtusummersession.org, , or call 510.849.8268 (if you use MC or Visa) or call 800.999.0528 x 1268. July 19, New York, NY "Dreams: A Way of Listening to God?" sponsored by the C.G. Jung Society. See the library homepage for more information. http://www.junglibrary.org July 29-Aug 4, Ghost Ranch, NM Jeremy Taylor will be doing daily dream groups as part of the "The Art of Living Well and Dying Well" conference, held at Ghost Ranch. For details, contact Barbara Coombs Lee at bcoombsLee@aol.com +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ** DREAMS ** DREAMS ** DREAMS ** DREAMS ** DREAMS ** DREAMS +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ New Series begins with dream-flow@egroup.com Digest #1 09/29/2000 This issue includes volume # 202 - # 226 Hello and welcome to the DREAM SECTION of Electric Dreams. This section is edited by Richard Wilkerson and the DreamEditor, a software creation of Harry Bosma, author of the Dream interpretation and journaling software AAlchera@. (homepage: http://mythwell.com) Please note that we print these dreams as they come to us and that means we do not correct the spelling. Some dreamworkers find these spelling mistakes a great window on the dream and dreamer. The Electric Dreams DREAM SECTION includes dreams and comments from the DREAM FLOW, a project to circulate dreams in Cyberspace. Many mail lists participate, including dream-flow@lists.best.com dreamstream@topical.com DreamsRus@onelist.com The Dream Sack http//www.deeplistening.org/ione Usenet groups (too many to name, search DREAM) If you would like to send in single dreams for the flow, you can leave them at http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/temple If you have a mail list or would like to contribute dreams and comments on a regular basis, you can subscribe to the dream-flow by sending an E-mail to TO: dream-flow-subscribe@egroups.com You may get a note back to verify the subscription. Simply hit the return or reply key and send the note back. An Archive of dream-flow is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/dream-flow@egroups.com/ Pre-November 2000: http://www.mail-archive.com/dream-flow@lists.best.com/ Pre-November 1998 http://www.mail-archive.com/ed-core@lists.best.com/ Pre-April 1990 Use Electric Dreams Backissues http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/ed-backissues ------------------------- BEGIN --------------------------- [dream-flow] Digest Number 202 ____________________________________________________________ Topics in this digest: 1. skin From: Anonymous 2. Unknown man missing both arms From: Anonymous 3. flickering in From: Anonymous 4. Re: From Shan to Stan [flickering in ] From: yes wings DATE : 25 may 2001 09:12 DREAM : flickering in =( last night i tried to sleep early, around 01:00. both of my vcrs are in the shop for repairs, so mother and i can not start a new video series for the 22:00 time slot when her broadcast stations go flat for entertainment value. i could not sleep yet, so about 02:00 i started work on some tech stuff until 03:40 when i felt sleepy again. )= the group of about six of us are waiting beside the airlock doors for our routine maintenance of the station from outside. we can not proceed because the new woman, an elderly white haired person, does not know how to properly seal up her suit. with a sigh of patience, i unzip my gloves with their velcro stays to help her. she has been fumbling with her gloves, so i take over and rematch her seals so they mate smoothly without the wrinkles she had in them. also, she has neglected to put on her helmet before her gloves so she had no hope of getting it on without assistance. "at the leo stations we rarely venture outside." she tells me with a note exasperation in her voice. "no surprised." i tell her gently as i make certain that none of her hair is caught is the collar groove before i place the helmet over her head. "the low orbit habitats are little more than tourist traps for flatland visitors." she should cut the hair or at least wear a hair net. in zero g, hair seems to get a life of its own, so most of us just cut it to less than nuisance length. "here in the high stations we work in the vacuum on a regular basis. we learn to seal up our suits properly." i hear a click of her helmet lock and the wheeze of her internal pressure come up. we step inside the airlock with the others as i start to put my gloves back on. uhoh, there is a small trembler alarm on my wrist so i look at the status display on the back of the sleeve. there is a series of about thirty long strips indicating the cognitive state for each of the crew. one of the dull gray strips, indicating a sleeper, has gone bright red. "a demon possession." i say more to myself than to the others in the crew. i press the red strip and hold it for a while until it flickers out to gray. that had activated a magnetic pulse in the sleeping man's neuroimplant, driving out the uninvited spirit. gray for asleep, white for awake, red for demon and green for angel. but an angel will almost never occupy a person's brain unless first invited, so most of the spontaneous conversions are demonic. the hiss of the air escaping the airlock dopplers down to silence so the sound of my breathing in the suit seems to magnify when there is no background to listen to. my suit triggers its programmed background music in the helmet to counter the operator strain that comes with deafening quiet. two of the crew make sure that they have a grip on the old lady as we kick free to the EVA railings on the skin of the station. every one makes certain we are each tethered to the railing before going about our separate tasks. the railing through the attaching cables provides power to the suit devices as well as limiting our drift. it is easier take power through the umbilicals than lug about bulky batteries or solar panels. "what's my spirit's name again?" i hear the old lady ask. her alzheimer deterioration has gotten more advanced than many who come out here for the union. "ataliel." i remind her for the umpteenth time today. "one of the twenty eight eight angels of the lunar domain. lord of ebb tide and guardian of softshell creatures by night." when a few of us have gathered on the moon side of the station, i begin the invocation. it is like the reverse of an exorcism, inviting one of the plasmic spirits to cohabit the failing mind of the old woman, so to strengthen her grip on consciousness, and to provide a symbiotic residence for the disembodied angels. i see a tendril of loose saliva curl away from the corner of the woman's mouth, unnoticed as she looks eagerly up at the near moon viewed from the L3 lagrange orbit. out beyond the earth's magnetic shock wave, in high orbit further than geostationary, the space stations offer a temporary home for human habitation. at this distance the solar winds also offer a medium for spirits. we call them spirits because of tradition, angels and demons depending on their acquaintance with our earthbound notions of ethical behavior. but technically they are just electromagnetic entities. vaporous organizations of charged particles that reside in the particle streams which emit from our sun. these spirits have a tenacious presence that cling to the various ions and molecules of the thin etheric soup of interplanetary space, using the energy captured to retain memory and form stable personality processes. the main problem they experience in this disembodied existence is lack of ability to interact with the dense matter found in gravity wells. about all they can do is merge with each other for brief periods in the raw unorganized ion streams. this merger is how they directly exchange information about their experience and form something like a cultural knowledge. dense matter holds itself together through covalent molecular bonds much stronger than the forces of plasmic cohesion which form the vaporous bodies of the spirits. the magnetic bow wave of a planet is a barrier through which they can rarely penetrate. spirit existence is generally a numb experience, having little ability to move or change anything beyond the ionic medium. but the evolution of life on planetary surfaces changed all that. nervous tissue developed a covalent chemical mechanism for self organizing molecules into memory and personality processes, much like the patterns in plasmic life outside the gravity wells. for brief periods the spirit lifeforms could penetrate the magnetic shock waves of planets, surf in long enough to find a molecular lifeform, reshape itself to match the synaptic patterns and thereby possess and control the heavy chemical body for a while. this gave spirits a short but substantial way of leaving their imprint heavy matter. they could develop a culture, artifacts, technology. things not possible for them in the etheric streams of the solar winds which is their natural domain. but the spirit interaction with the heavy bodies of living matter had other effects. over time the heavy earthside bodies of carbon based chemistry adapted to accommodate spirit possession. indeed, eventually vertebrate evolution developed a nervous system that maintained its own pattern of personality that became self aware without the temporary visitation of the spirits from beyond. even more extraordinary, chemical beings calling themselves 'human' left the gravity well on hydrogen rockets and came into the heavens which are the natural medium for the spirits. outside the heavy bonds of gravity, the angels could more easily do the synaptic takeover of the bodies since the magnetic forces no longer threatened to tear them apart. it was possible now to establish a permanent presence in the animal bodies off planet for as long as the chemical processes could sustain corporal cohesion. the problem was that our human bodies which brought ourselves off planet into the domain of the heavens already had an organized personality which did not want to be overridden by the spiritual entities we encountered. the solution was found in silicon. a neuromechanical chip implanted in the brain could generate a magnetic shield which could drive the plasmic spirits out of the body just as the natural magnetic field of earth made permanent possession on the surface impossible. so space travelers could control when their bodies were available for spirit control, and when they would be in protected self control. i keep calling through the radio waves, inviting ataliel to come as it had promised to shore up this woman's failing grip on existence. the strip on my wrist panel that is keyed to her neuroimplant begins to flicker in green. the angel is moving into its now shared consciousness. i see her eyes relax and turn clear, now certain of her destiny. =( 10:05 i have run out of time to finish writing this dream. have to get ready to go teach. made some hurried paper notes and hope for later recall of the rest of this dream. 23:30 i get back to this laptop and finish this written description from my notes and now cold memory of the dream. in the morning i had written the explanatory paragraphs of the basic possession mechanisms which were the central understanding i had of the underlying relations between the etherial and corporal. the action narrative with the space suits and the people were easier to recall, so that is what i tried to save on the paper after the dense understanding part was written. the name 'atatiel' i have just pulled from a bedside book. it sounds close to actual angelic name i knew in the dream but can accurately recall the syllables later in the day. it was close to this sound and length. its angelic lordship and attributes are also not remembered, but something similar to atatiel's was mentioned. )= . stankuli@etherways.com ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 4 Date: 26 May 2001 18:06:26 MDT From: yes wings peice of ice. and then it started to spin, then it was like packed up into a truck and drove away, then i was in a room and i was like a lesbain and ahhh im like not- Comments by Dreamer please help me ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 15:28:39 -0700 From: Anonymous Subject: ex boyfriend Dream Title ex boyfriend - kitkat Date of Dream 5-27-01 6:00 am Dream i was dating this boy for two years and he had just broken up with me - so in my dream i am going over to his new girlfriends house with him and they are all dressed up like they are going to prom or something and then he makes a really mean comment about me to all his friends at this girls house and i ran out of the house crying. i get alone with this girl but im in love with my ex. so i wait outside of the house and they run after me and when they open the door im just standing there, and they ask if i am ok and i said yes and so on and then they all leave - what does this mean? Comments by Dreamer help me figure this out ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 15:29:53 -0700 From: Anonymous Subject: the boy. Dream Title the boy. Date of Dream may 24, 2001/ night time Dream I was on a sandy beach and it was just beautiful out side, and it kind of had a breezy feeling outside, and then I was sitting on a swing type hammock thing, and this boy Willie comes up to me, and he starts to play with my hair, twirling it just in every which way and then he told me about how much he cared about me, all of the sudden my boyfriends cousin Kristie comes and sits down and says "Evian are you liking to Carson?" and I said "no, Cause Willie has a girlfriend, I would do anything with him" and she said "oh... but he broke up with his girlfriend" at this time Willie backed away a little with still enough room to twirl my hair, then, he said "no I broke up with her" and Carson's cousin Kristie said "see he broke up with his girlfriend for you" and I said "no because I love Carson" Comments by Dreamer Carsonis my boyfriend who I love so much. Willie is a guy in my second period class who has a girlfriend but tells me all the time how pretty I am and asks me, if I'm still going out with Carson everyday. ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 15:31:52 -0700 From: Anonymous Subject: Dream within a dream Dream Title Dream within a dream Date of Dream 5/23/01 9:00AM Dream I am at work, and we are taking a break from the office to go on a beach outing. There are many young girls around me, one is terribly skinny, only bones. I ask her how she is feeling, if she had the surgery, but she doesn't answer. My boss, who is a man, decides that each employee will get to ride in his sportscar, individually. I am apprehensive, but I submit to it, and when it is my turn it gets very uncomfortable on the drive. We stop and he is chasing me around the car. I am pulling on my boyfriend's arm in bed while this is going on, whispering the words that I am screaming in my dream. I want him to wake me up. But he is not actually next to me, it is a dream within a dream. Lots of yellow and running in the dream. Comments by Dreamer I cannot find information on what it means to have a dream within a dream. I am sure many others have them, and would also be interested in finding out. Thank you for this opportunity. Permission to Comment yes_share_comments Permission Comments Please inform me if I have been chosen. brooke@madhive.com ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 15:29:26 -0700 From: Anonymous Subject: My sister? Dream Title My sister? Date of Dream 5-25-01 Dream I had a dream last night that I met my long lost sister. She was beautiful with shiny, perfect brown hair, brown eyes, and glowing tan skin. She was wearing an orange tartan and a sparkley orange shirt and a crimson peacoat. She was from Germany and she seemed so smart, kind, wise, and giving. This dream was set in Washington D.C. by the Potomac and the cherry trees were in full bloom. We were standing on a cobblestone road, and doves were flying all around.The suns rays caressed her face and she looked like an angel. She told me, in a beautiful voice the things she loved about me; the way I give, the way I love and how I am determined to be extraordinary. Then, she told me the things that she didn't like about me; how I thought so lowly of myself, how I tended to fall in love with guys too quickly and too deeply. She told me she had to leave, but that she would always be with me when the wind blows, and all I had to do was call for her in my dreams. Comments by Dreamer This dream was the first dream I have had in a very long time. I don't have a long lost sister,as far as I know, but I do have a brother that my mom gave up for adoption. Right now, my relationship with him is just beginning; I don't know what he thinks of me. The 'sister' in my dream seemed so perfect and so surreal. Last night, before I went to sleep, I thought of how wonderful it would be to have brown hair, brown eyes, and skin that tans(as I am very fair and have blue eyes and blonde hair). I am of German (mostly) and of Scottish descent (among other things), which may explain the tartan, as I have been looking for my family's tartan colors.I have always wished for a sister, or at least sisterhood. I have been to Washington D.C. when the cherry trees are bloomed, and I have a picture of the place where we were standing. The whole time she was talking to me, I felt like a child in awe. This dream is almost unreal, it's almost erie, yet beautiful. ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 15:31:27 -0700 From: Anonymous Subject: Miss Blow Job USA Dream Title Miss Blow Job USA StrawManDance Date of Dream 1/15/2001DreamI was driving around in a red sports car with my childhood friend,Gavino Siciliano. It was strange being with him, as he never wanted tohang out with me. It was extremely dark out, and we winded at high speedsthrough wooded areas like old New Jersey Residential Highways.Gavino stopped the car. A white powdery substance had exploded allover the window. I realized he was making a cocaine deal. He'd only askedme along because nobody else would go with him.At first, I just lowered me seat back and pretended to go tosleep. If the cops came, I would just tell them I was only along for theride and didn't really know what was going on. They probably wouldn'tbelieve me. So I began to wipe the inside of the window with a kitchensink sponge. Gavino appreciated the help.Gavino and the men who were buying the coke were there, then suddenlygone. I was alone with the car on the road. I drove it to the nearestbuilding which resembled some sort of refinery or industrial complex. Itwas made of white concrete. I drove my car up a fairly steep slope,avoiding large obstacles (like flattened furniture, like 2-D stageprops). I stopped coming upon a large hole the size of a shallow gravewith an intricate model of a suburban neighborhood inside. I didn't wantto crush it and I wasn't sure if the car could pass over.I was drunk and standing at the top of the slope. I fell and slidface first down on the concrete, scraped my belly up pretty bad. The noisewas like wet cement being scraped up by a trowel. The slope was muchsteeper than it appeared. It was an architectural optical illusiondesigned by the men in the control room. The slope was a method for tesingpeople. I had scored well, the way I slid down on my stomach, and themembers of the institute were impressed. They wanted me to stay on for awhile.Days passed and I sobered up. I got a shower and took the test onthe slope again. I could see how many obstacles there were this time muchclearer and I avoided them easily and gracefully. I knew I'd be getting aperfect score. The course seemed much more involved the second time withthe faux furniture arranged on rotating floor panes. Little plastictriggers stuck out of the surface of the slope in star-like patterns.In front of me, a blonde haired woman in a business suit was enteringan elevator. The test was still going on. It was certainly a deviationfrom the test, but I figured I'd chat with her. She was very affectionatetoward me and we began touching and fondling immediately. I followed herto a small room set up like a living room. She left me there to readmagazines.There was a magazine with a blonde-haired Hardy-boy's era TeenageModel. It was called Miss Blow Job USA. It had the same flavor as a WorldWresting Federation Magazine.The blonde returned with two dark-skinned friends. I noticed howmuch younger than me they were. I realized the blonde to my surprise wasMiss Blow Job USA. She quickly gave me a blow job. And somehow she mademe give myself a blow job. This was my first sexual experience and I was alittle nervous. I saw myself as a little nervous mulatto boy.The dark skinned girls traded off putting my penis in their mouth andgiving me hand jobs. An instructor from the institute walked through theroom and made a comment about the low-quality of the hand jobs I wasreceiving. He could tell by the redness of my member.Comments by Dreamer There's another little part that seems somehowunrelated. Not sure. ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 8 Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 15:32:50 -0700 From: Anonymous Subject: giving hens Dream Title giving hens Date of Dream 28.05.01 Dream I dreamt that I gave my girlfriend two hens , they were healthy and vwey white ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 9 Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 15:32:22 -0700 From: Anonymous Subject: Psychic Dog Gatherer Dream Title Psychic Dog Gatherer Date of Dream 5/28/01 1:00 PM Dream I had a dream that I was at a social function where people were driving up with their dogs. There was a busy road, however and the dogs were running around everywhere. They kept telling me to watch their dogs and make sure the did not get hit by cars. So I gathered up the dogs. I was really waiting for a woman who they said would be there. She is a woman who works in a gift shop near by whom I swear is psychic. When I first met her she gave me the creeps, but the more I have gone to her shop, I highly enjoy the comfort in the connection of our thoughts. I saw her in a car driving up, but never had a chance to speak to her because I was awakened by something. Comments by Dreamer Have you any idea what this means? I'm not sure about the dog gathering, but dreaming about the woman makes me want to visit her soon. ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ There is 1 message in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. 18 wheeler From: Anonymous ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 07:46:21 -0700 From: Anonymous Subject: 18 wheeler Dream Title 18 wheeler Date of Dream 5/26/3pm Dream well there was a big 18 wheeler in front of me i was on the one behind it. i was on the back no trailer attached and well the one in front was tryin to stop and slid and hit the bridge wall .our 18 wheeler just kept spinning well i woke up and felt dizzy......pretty wierd if i may so ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ There are 4 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. Loosing Dreams From: Anonymous 2. mark +the boy in front of the school From: Anonymous 3. Various dreams (reposted from elsewhere) From: misterdoe1 4. Silverback From: Anonymous ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 08:33:59 -0700 From: Anonymous Subject: Loosing Dreams Dream Title Loosing Dreams - Lockett Somerville Date of Dream 31stMay 2001 Dream Sitting under father moon His pull His reign Ever present upon our lives. His influence, illuminating Our passage with pale blue eyes. His solace As quiet as the dead of night. His assured presence Always leads his shadow, Giving comfort to the solitude Which seems so real and always there, Like memories feeding dreams Like the shadows from his light Guiding this pen. And as with this cold, metal bench That I rest this wandering reality And in turn the actuality of this nocturnal dream. The wind Communications of nature Whispers it's nightly scent Carrying the noises of reality; The excited dog Yelping its mind The drunken lovers Stumbling blind The scratching pen Of time. And while the summer laden trees With their orgy of leaves Dance upon the nightly breeze. Hushed The wind carries our dreams Taking them over this land And out to sea Where shoals of bottles bob Helplessly upon the nervous veneer. And wrapped Safe inside Each of these bobbing bottles A plea for help >From that little space in time That second of this night That reality Which we call life: "Help me! I'm on an island Somewhere... There's nothing here There's nothing on the horizon There's nothing I can foresee. Help me! I'm on an island Somewhere. How long I've been here I don't know. I awoke And here I am. Help Me! I'm on an island There's nothing to read There's no people to meet Help me I only have dreams Of something once knew. HELP ME! I'm on an island Somewhere. You can't call me You must come and get me I'm on an island But where? Is this message All that's left of me?" And as the bottle bobs Gently upon the open empty sea, Father moon Circles off To light a life Elsewhere... ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 08:34:22 -0700 From: Anonymous Subject: mark +the boy in front of the school Dream Title mark +the boy in front of the school Date of Dream 2001/morning Dream this has happened two times .Tthere is a boy in front of my school, he looks poor but is very freindly. the funny thing is he looks just exactly like the boy down the street from me. the next part jums to this guy named mark that goes to school with me. i kissed him once in life. but in this dream it looked like a school trip and he was going. But before he left he gave me kisses lots of them. but i have a boyfriend and i think of him all the time . whats realy going on? Comments by Dreamer i like mark but he flirts around alot. were always playing around and hugging each other. but nothing more.I just wanna now what this means. ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 16:49:58 -0000 From: misterdoe1 Subject: Various dreams (reposted from elsewhere) I know I haven't posted much here since I've joined, but my dreams seem to follow some common themes. For instance, I mentioned the one I'd had a few times where there's something like a interdimensional land bridge that connects all the continents, so that you could walk from New York to Australia in just minutes. Well, now that I think of it, I've had plenty of dreams that feature something like that. For instance, there have been plenty that were set in an apartment complex like the one my family and I moved from twentysomething years ago, with sidewalks that lead off into the distance. Not running alongside highways or streets or anything, just a sidewalk that stretches off into the distance as far as the eye can see. Usually I know pretty much what my dreams mean when I wake up, or anyway when I recall them, but this sidewalks-in-the-distance thing has me stumped. There was another one I can remember, where I was in a meeting room for some type of get-together, and afterwards, when most of the people had left, there was just me and an attractive but somewhat overweight young woman. I felt this compulsion to walk over to where she was, with no idea what would happen next. I did walk over to her but she didn't even seem aware that I was there. Only when I was standing over the woman did she even look up at me. I found myself leaning over as if to kiss her. She reared back, and so did I. Then, I tried again, and this time she leaned in, and when our lips met, something didn't feel right. What I felt didn't match what I saw. It was more like a piece of cloth was being pulled across my lips. Then I woke up... ...to find that I WAS drawing the edge of the sheet up against my mouth! ===================================================== ================= When I mentioned my dreams following common themes, I mean common for me. Many of them contain the same or similar symbolism. Another one that I recall rather vividly, started as far as I could tell in a large official building, like a public library or post office. A large crowd was gathered in the lobby, and they were all looking or waiting for something in particular to happen outside, and there had been a warning not to leave the building until whatever it is had happened. Meanwhile, people outside were at the windows and doors, beckoning us insiders to come out. After a while I began to see people outside who had been inside, but they hadn't opened the doors; it was like they had teleported outside or something. Finally some insider decided to be brave: he opened the doors and walked out. The crowd followed, and as soon as I got out there, I saw my father, who wanted to know why I was holed up in there with all those people. I didn't really know myself. He went on about his business, and in quick order the crowd dispersed. I began walking away from the building, and on the sidewalk I came across a large oily metal contraption that resembled a truck part, a telescoping axle or spindle of some kind, and it was still spinning. I couldn't understand how the thing was still working if it was lying there on the ground, unattached to anything. Just then I noticed that not only was the apparent truck part oily, but the ground, the sidewalk, the street, and even the trees were covered with a thin coating of black oily grime. I walked away from the slowly spinning and pistoning truck part and as I neared the next corner, the surroundings got more and more oily. Pretty soon there were large puddles of black goop in the street, and cars were splashing it all over everyone. At the corner the oil seemed to be oozing up from small holes in the concrete. There was a man who stood out in my mind. He was a formerly well-dressed middle-aged black man (I mean, he would have been black even without the oil), and he was wearing a suit. Every exposed inch of his clothes was soaked with oil, but it was dry on him while everyone else was greasy with it. Somehow, though, the man's oily crust didn't seem to bother him, though all the oil bewildered me. I couldn't understand why I was the only one the oil seemed to be bothering. Everybody else was standing around and letting the passing traffic splash them. I waited at the corner for my bus, and while I waited, every manner of wheeled conveyance passed, splashing oil everywhere. Finally, a young white couple, both in white T-shirt and jeans, ran around the corner trying to avoid the flying oil. I wondered how they managed to keep their t-shirts mostly white and dry when everyone else's clothing was mostly black and oily. Then, I woke up. ====================================================================== Last night I had a doozy. I seem to have a regular thing in my dreams where the setting is one I don't recall ever being in in real life. In this case the setting was an office party, in an office I've visited rather often in my dreams but never in real life, at least not that I can recall. In the dream we were having a going-away party for a coworker, a very attractive dark-skinned black woman named Rose, who was also a personal friend of mine from before I started the job (also a fictitious person). In the dream I was somewhat infatuated with the woman, who was leaving to get married and move away. At the end of the party, she was somewhat morose, singing "I wanna go home" with a sad smile on her face, meaning not where she was then living but the new home she would be making with her husband. In the party we had given her a full-length fur coat (aren't we generous coworkers?), and the office was supposedly closed for the afternoon. Someone had forgotten to lock the front door, however, so unknown to us a drug-addled young man had made his way into the office, and was busy going through the outer rooms to see what he could find. Rose had placed her new coat on a table just inside the main reception area, where someone could easily reach through the window and take it. Well, the young man saw the coat, and tried to take it, just as Rose saw him approaching the window. She foolishly grabbed the coat and tried to pull it from his grasp. He pulled out a gun and killed her with one shot. Left me and the coworkers quite distraught. The next thing I knew, I was back at the beginning of the dream. Somehow I had traveled back in time, but I was the only one aware of the repetition. I knew what was going to happen, and now I had a chance to prevent it from happening, and naturally I was quite ambivalent about whether I should try. I kept thinking that if I prevented this tragedy from happening to Rose, it could be ME that gets killed this time, or maybe I would just "disappear" once I changed the course of events that technically have already happened. I kept trying to speak privately to Rose or to her best friend, an attactive light-skinned black woman also named Rose, but every time I tried, someone else would pop up and have something to do or say that took my opportunity away. I kept getting more and more agitated, knowing that my opportunity to prevent Dark Rose from being killed was slipping away. Finally, with only minutes to spare, I was able to draw Dark Rose to a side room, just out of view of the reception area where she had put her coat on the desk, and she started singing "I wanna go home" ("again"), making me more agitated. But just as I was about to warn her of the danger... ...I WOKE UP! ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 21:40:22 -0700 From: Anonymous Subject: Silverback Dream Title Silverback Date of Dream 05-31/3am Dream I was at the house that I grew up in, having a get together with faceless friends. Also my samoyed was there (my favorite dog) and she was running aroung the property. We were eating and drinking having a good time. I went into the garage and all of the sudden I heard screaming. I ran out to see what was going on. There was a silverback gorilla running after my dog. So I decided to grab a rope and have my friends get in a circle with the rope around them. I got in the middle of them with the garden hose. The gorilla stopped running after my dog and started bothering my friends and I. So I decided to squirt the gorilla everytime he came close. So we started shuffeling towards the door. Two by two's my friends went inside the house until everyone was safe. I was the last one inside, I remember looking out through the Bay window of my old home watching the gorilla pace back and forth. Comments by Dreamer Permission to Comment yes_share_comments Permission Comments Can someone do an interpretation of my dream? ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ There are 3 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. 6/1 dreams From: Heratheta 2. Golden Eagles From: Anonymous 3. Dreams again From: Bryan Doe wrote: Dream Title giving hens Date of Dream 28.05.01 Dream I dreamt that I gave my girlfriend two hens , they were healthy and vwey white Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: dream-flow-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Personal Address - Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. [This message contained attachments] ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ There are 4 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. Apartment Woes From: Anonymous 2. the end is near From: Anonymous 3. lost From: Anonymous 4. A Secret, Angel Rose From: Anonymous ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 08:48:59 -0700 From: Anonymous Subject: Apartment Woes Dream Title Apartment Woes--qia Date of Dream 6-16-2001 Dream This dream I had is a recurring dream. In the dream I am in my old apartment that I used to live in about 3 or 4 years ago. I am in my old apartment, and i didn't use the key to get in, in fact I had to sneak in by breaking the lock. So, I am in this apartment with my 6-year old son, and we are trying to be as quiet as possible so as not to disturb the neighbors downstairs. Anyway, some deranged drug addict starts banging on the door trying to get in, and me and my son hide in the apartment in case he does get in. Eventually he leaves and everything is back to normal. Now the dream gets a little vague here and I can't seem to remember what happened next. Then suddenly, a man is in the apartment with us and we are running and running, running up staircases(which there were no staircases IN the apartment itself), going through tunnels, and hiding behind furniture, all to escape this man who is after us. Now I know something happened, but I don't know what, but it ends up that me and my son eventually escape from the man in the apartment, and we are going down the stairs to the first floor( the apartment was on the fifth floor), and my son is limping and missing clothes and shoes, and he is bleeding ( I can't remember my own condition). Now I remember that it is cold outside, and I think to myself, I can't take the baby out there like that, and then I notice that there are clothes and shoes in the hallway -which is uncommon for an apartment building and especially uncommon for that building- so I take what I can to clothe my son and we leave. Once we're on the street I see my sister...... and this is where the dream ends. ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 11:47:34 -0700 From: Anonymous Subject: the end is near Dream Title the end is near raven Date of Dream all year Dream okay this is a really scary dream. okay it starts out that i am all alone and that i am in the middle of nowhere i mean nowhere like a space like scene and then I look to my right and I see lisa then i look back forward and i see heather my best friend and then I look to my left and then I see Heather no when I look at me lizz lisa and heather I am facing north lizz is facing east and lisa is facing west and heather is facing south and then we each start to glow the color of our signs. well we start to whisper the end is near the end is near and then boom lizz is pulled back like jerked she's about two feet away and then she stops and then she looks exactly the same like she is looking right through everything and then the same happens to lisa but she is pulled in the opposite direction and dido for heather. i try to reach for them but i can i am like stuck in the same spot and I can't move and then I drop straight down and as I do I feel this heat and it gets hotter as i am falling and then boom I hit something hard like a stone table and then I black out and when I wake up i see my friends and they glow even brighter and the glow keeps growing but as the glow got bigger is saw theat they weren't lights they were flames and the got bigger until finally each one of my friends woke up and they started to scream and then I got hotter as well and then I saw that I was also engulfed in flames and when I try to get up i cant cause I find out that my legs are tied down and i can get to them they finally see me and scream out my name and I start to cry then the flames rise up as if they we going to fall on top of me but instead they fall only to stop right in front of my face and I see this like demon that laughs and after he laughs he shoots up to destroy my friends and then they disappear like a ball of fairy dust exploding and then they turn and come back on me only to burn me enough to where I stay alive until the same demon flies up again and then laughs a final time and then finishes me off to and then at the very end I only see the word apocalypse Comments by Dreamer i have the dream every night since I found out what my history was and I gets clearer every night ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 12:17:04 -0700 From: Anonymous Subject: lost Dream Title lost Date of Dream 6/11/01 Dream I'm lost in the woods and I hear something I turn, no ones ther. I want to get home but I hear a haunting chant, Beware the pine needle floor. I hear A loud noise and then i see a hideous face ,and I scream and run and then I trip over a cliff Comments by Dreamer Scary and confusing ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 12:18:42 -0700 From: Anonymous Subject: A Secret, Angel Rose Dream Title A Secret, Angel Rose Date of Dream May 21, 2001, 4:30am Dream I was in my grandmother's house. It was me and a small child and my grandmother. There was a knock at the door, I opened it to find a large white man with a suit on and a sheriff's badge, he said he was a police officer and opened the door to come in. The next thing I remember in the dream was, he changed into someone else and was there to kill us all, he murdered the small child and set out after me. I remember running and fleeing, but he always ssemed to find me and catch me. There was a car, I think I was driving to try to find help. I remember running down a street screaming for help. A friend appeared there somehow, I told her to hide, rund as fat as she could to get away. Next thing I was in the front yard of my grandmother's house, a lot of people and police were there also, the murderer was there and I was very afraid - he tried to kill us again, both me and my grandmother, but someone shot him with a shotgun, but he still alive, then they shot him again and hit his head and the shole top of his head came off and landing on the ground in front of me. There was blood everywhere. The next thing I remember is be being in a house with all of my family and relatives. Everyone, especially all of my cousins couldn't figure out why I wouldn't play with them. My grandmother was there and it was if her and I had kept all of this a secret and had not tole anyone about it. I then remember trying to sleep, there was a knock at the window by my bed, at first I didn't seem to hear it and then there was another one, I looked to see a large black man peering through the window and screamed in fear! I jumped out of bed screaming and ran, my parents were there and couldn't understand why I was so upset. I sat them both in a large chair to begin to tell them the story. I saw my grandmother in the next room walking towards the door with freshed baked bread in her hands, watching us, and I began to explain to them what had happened with me and grandmother and why the small child, everyone knew, was no longer there. I was on my hands and knees in front of them as if I was asking for forgiveness. The fear was overwhelming and tears were flowing down my cheeks as I began to tell them the story and then I awoke. Comments by Dreamer I can usually figure out my most of dreams on my own, but this one has me completely confused. ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ There is 1 message in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. Child of the Beast From: Anonymous ___________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 06:20:17 -0700 From: Anonymous Subject: Child of the Beast Dream Title Child of the Beast Date of Dream The night of June 13, 2001 Dream I was driving to a familiar gym and parking lot with my best friend. When we got there, I parked and walked into the gym. I saw 2 lines of people. Mostly men and only 2 females. I walked in front of the group and noticed they were all wearing black karate looking uniforms. They seemed to be at some type of practice. Both girls were wearing a lot of make up and the first one I saw smiled at me. The second one had ugly make up on and she resembled my boyfriend's ex girlfriend I had insecurities with. She leaned over to me and asked: "Let me guess, child of the Beast?" I thought she was calling me ugly, so I said, "Well, my dad is ugly, but my mom isn't." So I walked back to my best friend who then asked what the girl said. I told her and she asked if I was just going to take that from her. So I yelled: "Bitch! learn how to put make up on right. At least make it look good!" My best friend and I then walked out of the gym to the car. The girl was following us. We got to the car and the girl was either calling me the child of the beast or just saying it to me. Then she asked if I was a freshmen (people often think I'm younger than I really am because of my looks) and she said, "Bam! bam! I'm a senior and a semester!" so I laughed and said, "NO, Bitch, I'm a senior!" we then threw a few hits and she then ran away. So I yelled for her to come back and yelled Fuck You to her. But I also yelled it out loud and woke my brother up. ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ There are 3 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. Searching... From: Anonymous 2. Wild Buffalo by Westgirl From: Anonymous 3. Can't Interpret From: Anonymous ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 17:21:24 -0700 From: Anonymous Subject: Searching... Dream Title Searching...by ZenGirlTN Date of Dream Dream I dreamed that I was in New York City. I was on foot, trying to get to a male friend of mine. I had no idea where I was, but I did know that I was the farthest I could possibly be from his apartment. I kept walking, not even knowing if I was going in the right direction. The traffic was very heavy and the tall buildings blocked out the sun, giving everything a gray cast. I crossed a street at the corner and came to a gray building that was set off the street a little. I can't remember the name of the place, but in the dream I knew it was a landmark, a tourist attraction. I walked a little closer and noticed that the building had three doors. there were signs next to each. One had flashing lights and pictures of cards and dice. It was for gambling. The next door had a sign with pictures of scantily clad women dancing. It too had flashing lights. A strip club. The third sign had a picture of a stage where a play was going on. There were also words, describing the name of the play. I decided to go in that door to see the play. I had to pass by a doorman who seemed to also act as a bouncer for the gambling hall and the strip club. He decided somehow that I was allowed to go in. The theater itself had wooden seats and reminded me of ford's theater, where Lincoln was assassinated. I walked down the aisle and found a seat in the middle of a row. The next thing I know I was sitting, laughing at the play with the friend I had been searching for earlier and another male friend. I knew their names and used them in the dream, but I have forgotten them now. Comments by Dreamer Permission to Comment yes_share_comments Permission Comments ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 17:25:58 -0700 From: Anonymous Subject: Wild Buffalo by Westgirl Dream Title Wild Buffalo by Westgirl Date of Dream 06/16/10am Dream It was early evening, there was myself and a couple in a remote resort surrounding. No one else around. A house, a tennis court. We were talking about something, and i was warning them to be careful of the wild animals (or something this is blurry). The girl and i spoke. The atmosphere was casual, but i felt a little tense. All of a sudden I see a wild Buffalo in the near distance in the, and i say 'they are endangered - wierd'. Then a few seconds later the wild buffalo suddenly appears coming from behind the house up a path, i tell the girl to watch out it will CHARGE. It sees the girl, but peers its wild eyes and big head around a corner to the porch I am standing on. (the guy is behind a fence on the tennis court, the girl is in front of the house, I am on a very narrow porch). The buffalo begins to run at me, and I freak out inside because there is a big railing I will need to jump over to avoid immenent DEATH. I am so tired i say to myself i won't be able to do it, my legs are exhausted from working so many long days/nights.... i try to think of another way to avoid BEING CHARGED AT BY THE WILD EYED BEAST. The porch is completely blocked in by this rail, exhausted i fling myself over the rail, sure i will be crumbled by this prehistoric icon. Somehow, i made it, and i run to the tennis court where we cower behind the high fence. The buffalo wanders off. Upset i wander why it tried to attack me. It seemed poignant. I awoke in real time feeling disturbed and hurt, and could still see the wild eyed brown beast clearly. Comments by Dreamer That's it. My wierd dream.... Any ideas... I would like to hear your thoughts on it. Thanx. ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 19:52:49 -0700 From: Anonymous Subject: Can't Interpret Dream Title Can't Interpret Date of Dream N/A Dream I dreamed I was looking into this mirror. What I saw was horrible. My P.E coach and I were together, naked. He was leaning over me, doing sexual things to me. I looked out at myself with this dazed look in my eyes. Then my coach turned and looked out at me and smiled and went on kissing me. Comments by Dreamer I'm not for sure what it means. My friends think my teacher likes me and they tease me about it because they say he acts different around me. ____________________________________________________________ There are 2 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. "Friends" B.C. From: Anonymous 2. empire state From: Anonymous ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 12:13:37 -0700 From: Anonymous Subject: "Friends" B.C. Dream Title "Friends" B.C. Date of Dream June 5, 2001 Dream I had a dream where I was at a swimming pool, I don't know if it was supposed to be mine. I ended up being surrounded with many of my friends that I had not been in contact with for a while. I talked with one of my friends father in my dream, but my friend was not in it. None of my close friends were in it, neither my girlfriend, which I thought was weird. Comments by Dreamer I don't know if this is telling me that I should keep in touch with my friends, but it has really been bothering me. Permission to Comment yes_share_comments ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 11:46:17 -0700 note: stan requests that his name and e be kept together - editor stan kulikowski ii DATE : 17 jun 2001 11:32 DREAM : empire state the top of the empire state building is a rather spacious place, plenty of room to wander around. they have divided the area in half, a restaurant on one side and a cemetery on the other. it is opening day and the owners of the two establishments on top have planned some festivities to celebrate their endeavors. the restaurant has put out some flutes of champagne and small foodstuffs. i have tried some of these before going over to cemetery part. they have not imported a lot of soil up here for burials, but rather have an arrangement of box like mausoleums, each marked for some famous family of the state. mine is the fourth crypt in the first row, labeled 'phish' for my family. no one is entombed there yet, this being the opening day and the places are reserved for future use. there are about thirty such block houses constructed here on the top of the tallest building. i wonder if my body is destined to lay here lifeless some day. presumably the symbol of burial in a such a high place is to be nearer to heaven so the departed has a shorter journey after the funeral, or perhaps the angels can watch over the site from nearer proximity. whatever the reason, i step up to the balloon to take part is the festivity of the cemetary. young men from most of the families who have one of the mausoleums are being strapped to the side of a hot air balloon. once my harness is in place, the master of ceremonies steps into the small gondola in the center of the circle. with a couple words of announcement that i can hardly hear, he pulls the chain on the propane burner and a loud hiss sends more heat up into the yawning balloon. with a jerk, the contraption ascends pulling my feet off the building. we arise like departing spirits beside the tall central tower intended to tether the zeppelins. i feel the air get substantially colder as we leave the protection of the building. good, i think. colder means more lift for the balloon and that makes me feel safer strapped to the outside of a gas bag. i can not help looking down as we drift past the edge of the building. i would expect that many ghosts feel a longing for the familiar touch of earth when ascending to the heavens. my sense of vertigo kicks in with the walls of the building forming a perspective trap all the way to the ground. but once we drift a little further away, the direct lines descending are broken from my field of view and the vertigo go away. the automobiles in the streets below look like dots below my shoes, which are just dangling there. a whitish fog seems to be trapped between the buildings of the city. i do not really enjoy this experience and wonder why our families allowed its young princes to be thus used. i recall that my family really put the pressure on me to take part in this. it is not too long before the operator of the balloon pulls a release cable which allows hot air to slowly escape from the top of the bag. we slowly descend into central park. ride over. i am rather grateful to get back on the ground and unharnessed from the balloon. the restaurant has provided a similar buffet spread here at the landing point as they had up top. i feel my cell phone ring in my pants pocket. taking it out, i hear a friend on the other end. "don't eat any of the food." i hear him tell me. "they contracted a department store to cater this affair. they used leftovers from their bait store to prepare it." i look at a plate of finger shrimp. suddenly they do not look as appetizing as a minute ago. i wonder why a restaurant would let a bait shop to prepare their food. i know my mother and sister have gone inside a fenced off area to take a table. i pick up a wide mouth glass of champagne and go to the line waiting to get inside to join them. perhaps they will not eat any of the buffet offerings before i can get inside to warn them of the low quality. the champagne also tastes rather cheaply made, but i know my mother likes it that way, not too fizzy. i hold on to my empty glass when i have finished, but during the wait in line, i see that i have broken it. a large fragment from the side is missing. =( the clock says 07:41 when i awake. i do not write this right off, and fall into a light sleep as i hear my wrist watch across the room beep beep beep at 09:30. still later i have another dream which i can not recall at present. finally around 11:00 i sit up to write this. i have been to top of the empire state building once as a boy. it was not nearly so spacious as this. i did not enjoy the experience as the vertigo of looking over the edge was extreme for me and the feeling of the building swaying the wind under my feet gave me no sense of security. i do get vertigo only from visual cliffs as described here, not just from height either from being on top of ladders or airplanes. obviously, my family name is not 'phish' which was marked above the door of the mausoleum. i do not know why the quality of shrimp from bait stores would be that much different from seafood vendors, but i guess it might be if that family name is pronounced 'fish'. eating the tainted food then going off toward heaven sounds like some kind of death ritual. )= stankuli@etherways.com ___________________________________________________________ There is 1 message in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. gems dream From: Anonymous ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 21:16:20 -0700 From: Anonymous Subject: gems dream Dream Title gems dream Date of Dream once a week Dream i have a reacurring dream, in this dream me and my boyfriend of 2 and a half years are climbing up ice stairs, with difficulty but every time we reach the top we appear at the bottom again. We have a good relationship so if you could interpret this dream i would be very grateful. gemma age 18 my boyfriend is 21 Comments by Dreamer please could you e mail me with the interpretation ____________________________________________________________ ___________________________________________________________ There is 1 message in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. Dream Fair From: Anonymous ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 18:39:09 -0700 From: Anonymous Subject: Dream Fair Dream Title Happiness or not? Date of Dream 9th or 10th around 11pm-2am Dream I am at the fair and it is night time the lights are bright and colorful. I am there with Megan, Brian, and Jose. We are walking I am holding hands with Jose and eating Pink cotton candy. We are walking by the games and I hear the Fair music and the people going Winner! But all the guys I ever thought I loved were there and all of the ones Megan thought she loved too. Even Jose!and Daniel! But in my dream We didnt see them! it was like they werent there only I could see them they were we walked along and we saw all the other people stranger and friends just none of our old loves. Not even Jose! It was like to us they werent there he said "Hi" and is like in my face and I still dont even know he is there we just keep walking and having fun at the fair. I was happy and felt fulfilled inside. Comments by Dreamer Megan- is my Best Friend Jose and Brian- are these new guys we just met. Jose- is this guy I loved so.. much I would get butterflies everytime he came near me. Daniel- is Megans Ex-boyfriend I dont understand cause there is no way i could just walk by the ex-loves of my life without even noticing there precence what does this mean? and does the fact that Jose and Brian are with us mean anything? Permission to Comment yes_share_comments Permission Comments Just dont change it for any reason. ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ There are 2 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. I was gonna die... From: Anonymous 2. Fighting with Friends From: Anonymous ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 11:40:31 -0700 From: Anonymous Subject: I was gonna die... Dream Title I was gonna die... Date of Dream 6-21-01, 5:30AM Dream I was beaten up by some guys in the town near where I live, had severe internal bleeding, and was told that I was gonna die. Finally, my mother appeared and we were crying because I wasn't ready to die. Before I died, though, I woke up. ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 11:40:02 -0700 From: Anonymous Subject: Fighting with Friends Dream Title Fighting with Friends Date of Dream 6/18/01 7.30 Dream I had a dream about me and my friends. And we were sitting on my porch of my home and me and my friend bursted out into a fight over his new girlfriend.. the water was very muddy and the waves were very high and when i tried to get my friends attention he ignored me and then we made up after wards... but the girl hes going out with was hanging all over him and we still fought about it and i don't want to lose him as a best friend... what does this all mean??? im i just jealous of her???? well thats all i can remember. i really don't know what to do i really had a crush on my friend at the time... ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ There are 4 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. teeth were falling out From: Anonymous 2. Swimming Pool From: Anonymous 3. Safe as Wood? From: Anonymous 4. Run Lola Run! From: Anonymous ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 20:51:26 -0700 From: Anonymous Subject: teeth were falling out Dream Title Adrienne Date of Dream 6/21/01 Dream My were teeth were falling out especially the left middle tooth. Along with teeth blood was pouring out. I saw myself not clear but I knew it was myself in the mirror with a missing tooth ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 20:50:57 -0700 From: Anonymous Subject: Swimming Pool Dream Title Date of Dream 6/21/01 Dream I was in a swimming pool, it was very deep. There were a lot of people in the pool I was way down below the surface and I was working my way to the surface. I could see that there were a lot of people and there was also a big bar that went across the top and I had to make sure that I didn't bump my head on it when I came up. (It looked like the bar above the back room on my boyfriends boat that I had bumped my head on in real life.) I started to see that there was no room for me to surface and I started to get scared. Then up behind me came Chris, my friend Kelly's new husband. He swam up underwater and from behind me and guided me several feet up to the top of the surface safely. As soon as we surfaced, I turned to him and kissed him passionately on the lips. He was tan and bare chested and I thought he had nice shoulders. He returned the kiss. There was music. The kiss felt foreign and exciting, but he was not that great of a kisser. His kissed with his lips kind of thin and pursed. Then he and I and maybe some other people were outside lying on the ground. We were watching a large 747 airplane in the sky. It started spiraling and twisting and turning into a squiggly form as it was circling above us. I pointed to it, and Chris started to say it was nothing, but then he said "No! its going down!" and then the airplane got closer to the ground and crashed. Chris and I both knew that since the airplane was so close, we would die from the explosion. We turned on our stomachs away from the plane and covered our heads. I thought to myself that I was going to find out what it was like to die. I was bracing myself for extreme pain. I thought it would be quick, but that I was going to feel what it was like to burn up. We got hot, but did not die. We were amazed. Then we were in a house. There was a futon or thin mattress on the floor with blankets. We kissed again, but not on the bed. The kiss was exciting yet still disappointing. I asked him why he was not in Costa Rica where they were going for their honeymoon (in real life). He said he had to come back because he couldn't breath and that his lungs were bleeding. I thought I remembered that he had lung problems. He said that Catherine was still there. Both of us knew it was just a kiss, and didn't mean anything. But I knew that Catherine would be upset if she knew. Then Catherine came home and I looked at the bed on the floor. Even though I hadn't been on the bed, I wanted to make sure it did not look like two people had been in it. It didn't. Only one side was turned down. I was not worried at all about her finding out. ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 21:05:21 -0700 From: Anonymous Subject: Safe as Wood? Dream Title Safe as Wood? by Tree Date of Dream 22/6/01 a.m. Dream I believe I was working, but not at my current job. Some people came by for business and I had to go. We were travelling in a weird mini van. Everyone looked really cold and sterile, unemotional. The van broke down and we had to cross this clay bridge. So I got out and walked over the bridge which turned into a ground level tube station. Suddenly I was in this cold sterile office, lots of people chain smoking in the hallways. The whole thing had a military feel. This military woman came by and kicked me on the leg. I got angry and started yelling at all the people about the constitution, the the 1, 2, 3, amendments. Everyone ignored my comments, they said they were trying to maintain a safe community. I thought it was sad. Next thing I know I'm at my parents house, looking for my husband, and I found my self looking out the front door. I t was dark. I saw a little girl and my aunt came up next to me to let her in. I looked out the door again and saw a little boy holding a small block of wood with a nail sticking out of it. I called out through the door. I told him to drop it and he did, but it fell under my mother's car. I openend the door and told him to get it. He did. I said he could come in if he threw it away. He said no. I thine said, give it to me and you can have it back when you leave, "that's fair isn't it"? He agreed. So as I let him in the house he handed me the block of wood with the nail in it and a half full plastic carton of milk! Comments by Dreamer To me maybe this dream speaks of issues of authority, personal safety, and sexuality. But only general. Most of my dreams aren't this vivid. Felt the need to write it down. ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 21:07:39 -0700 From: Anonymous Subject: Run Lola Run! Dream Title Run Lola Run! Mr. Majestic Date of Dream 06/22/01 Dream I find myself running away from harm, But I can't run. I'm moving but its so labored. I get basically no where. I really struggle to get away. I even try to use my hands to help me push. These are repeating dreams that have been going on for years. ____________________________________________________________ __________________________________________________________ There are 2 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. broken glass and sis From: Anonymous 2. Re: teeth were falling out From: Sbeach688 _________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 07:17:37 -0700 From: Anonymous Subject: broken glass and sis Dream Title broken glass and sis Date of Dream 6/23/01 am Dream I was walking on broken glass. The glass was all over and I had no shoes on. I was calling for my daughters boyfriend to help me. He picked me up and put me on a table and helped get the glass out of my feel.. Comments by Dreamer The dream was very vivid but I don't remember color. Also I remembered it easily. ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 14:24:16 EDT From: Sbeach688 Subject: Re: teeth were falling out ____________________________________________________________ ___________________________________________________________ There is 1 message in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. the fledgling From: Anonymous ___________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 13:01:26 -0700 Note: stan requests that his name and e remain with the dream text. stan kulikowski ii DATE : 24 jun 2001 11:03 DREAM : the fledgling =( last night was a typical saturday evening. mother watched a couple broadcast television programs and i put on a dvd, _proof of life_. meg ryan was somewhat disappointing in that. i kept hoping to see her sparkle, but she seems to have lost it. i went to bed a little early, around 01:00. i have been rather sleeping too much lately. did not do anything productive all evening which is unusual for me. )= the end of a school day is that period when many students surge through the hallways like a tide. i am waiting for an appointment in the vestibule of this high school, so i must put up with the jostling of the crowd as the students flow out to the waiting buses. i have to mind the small cardboard box i am holding so it does not get crushed in the hurley burley. soon the students ebb away and the buses leave. now the halls echo with emptiness except for the distant sounds of extracurricular activities. a secretary from the front office finally has time to see me. she comes out to call me in. "do you have a license for that?" she points to the cardboard box as i put it down on the counter in the office. "did not know i needed one." i open the box and a small bird shakes away the loose packing material around it. "our team is called 'the hawks' and this is our mascot. it is traditional that such animals come to games." i put my hand down near the bird and it jumps up on my wrist. she looks at the young bird with obvious distaste, but says nothing more. we compare our calendars for the next season to schedule in several game dates. i am a soccer coach. our business concluded, i go back into the hallways preparing to leave. when i start to put the bird back in its traveling box, it takes off trying to fly. it manages to get to the glass doors, but since they are closed it has no where land and plops down on the floor. i hurry over to retrieve it before some might injure it, not noticing such a small bird walking on the floor. i scoop up the bird and put it back in the box, making a nest in the packing material. the university provost comes in from an adjoining hall. "do we have to have any special licensing for a team mascot?" i ask him. "i will look into it with the school lawyers." he replies. with the bird back in its box, i go out to my car in the parking lot. it is a triumph spitfire. i put the box in the small backseat and get ready to start the car. before i do, a young lady comes over and asks "can i get a ride with you?" "sure, climb in." i reply. i do not ask where she wants to go. it does not seem relevant. i would be happy to drive an attractive girl like this anywhere she wanted to go. leaving the school parking lot, i discover that the campus is in the center of a large city. the streets around it are torn up with construction, so i can not get to the lanes that i want. i go over a bridge in the wrong direction and have to make a u turn when the traffic allows. crossing over the river again, i still can not find the signs of how to get on either routes 69 or 40. from either of those i can find the course home. after some driving around, i pull down a side street and remember a task that i could do while i am in town. after a couple blocks i pull over in front of an abandoned building where i used to have an apartment. i was hoping she would wait, but the girl gets out and waves bye as she departs down the street. i take the box with the bird and go behind the building. there is a very small fenced in backyard. the fence is a privacy fence, long wooden upright poles lashed together. i remember when i put that up many years ago, but now it is old and falling apart. i open the rickety gate. inside the small patio area, i open the box to let the hawk flutter around for exercise. it is too young to get very far and the surrounding area is sufficiently closed in to be safe. i pick up some clutter in the patio area and pile it neatly over to one side. i look in through the sliding glass door at the empty rooms and recall some good times i shared in there with various friends. it was a very small place, really a garage that had been converted to an apartment, but i managed to enjoy this place more than most. usually the places i have lived have been happy, so it is a little sad to see this one about to be demolished. i start to dismantle the privacy fence and stack it over by the side with the other. when i get about half of the fence torn down, two over dressed ladies come walking down the alley. the little hawk flies up into the air toward them and lands on the handbag of one of the women. "oh dear." she exclaims rather flustered, but she does not swat at it which would probably injure it. i go over and take the bird from her. "it is just a baby hawk." i reassure her. "it can not hurt you." =( 09:37 is on the clock when i awake. there are many associations in this dream. the provost was d*** f**** who used to have that position at the university here in pensacola until four years ago. the city was dayton, ohio, where i used work in summer theater downtown during three of my undergraduate summers, 1966-68. one of the few urban city areas i ever got familiar with. i have always lived in rural or suburban areas. the one-room apartment with the fenced in patio, was one i had in amherst for a while around 1981-2. the high school is unfamiliar, could have been any of dozens i have been in over the years. i have no athletic interests and would never coach a team unless made to do so. the spitfire was my first car, a 1966 model but i did not own it until about 1970. the little hawk is novel to this dream. i have never known anyone who kept raptors. to me, this seems like an unremarkable do-nothing kind of dream, except maybe for the various threads of my personal past life woven through it. i do get a vague sense of past lives here blurring together. times when i was rather different from how i am now, but still at least historically connected in one person, myself. when i consider the me that worked in theaters, or the one that drove the spitfire, or lived in the garage apartment, they do not seem to have much in common with the me here today. and worse, they all blend just as easily with that false me as a soccer coach. )= . stankuli@etherways.com ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ There are 4 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. snake bites From: Anonymous 2. family and people, From: Anonymous 3. reincarnation From: Anonymous 4. apparitions From: Anonymous ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 19:10:19 -0700 From: Anonymous Subject: snake bites Dream Title snake bites - charlesie Date of Dream 06/24/20014:00 am approx. Dream i dreamed i was in a work place, everyone seemed ok that there was lots and lots of snakes there. i was bitten & told a co-worker i needed to go to the hospital. i gathered some sort of machine & headed out to the hospital when i woke up????? ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 19:09:08 -0700 From: Anonymous Subject: family and people, Dream Title family and people, : danielle Date of Dream 06/25/001/ 3:00amDreamsometimes its colour and black &white, there is a alot ofnegativey and there is verable abuse also. there is alot ofrunning in my dream, when there is pain in my dream.Comments by Dreamer i dream about them everynight andalonged time.since i moved out on my own in 1991.Permission to Comment yes_share_commentsPermission Comments " please help me what should i do" i can'tdream about anything else, i can't escape from it, i feeltrapped. ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 19:09:39 -0700 From: Anonymous Subject: reincarnation Dream Title reincarnation Date of Dream 06/25/01 Dream i had a dream that i had died some how but returned in the body of an old friend i haven't seen since childhood.but the body i was in had various physical defects,my teeth were chizzled and carved while i was in the dream, i also had a small tooth like bone under my hairline.very strange dream. Comments by Dreamer i have alot of unusual dreams like this. almost every night,very detailed dreams. i wish someone had the answers to these dreams... Permission to Comment yes_share_comments Permission Comments somebody please help me with these dreams!! ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 19:09:59 -0700 From: Anonymous Subject: apparitions Dream Title apparitions Date of Dream 06/20/01 Dream this is the 2nd dream i am submitting.this time i had a dream that i came home to a house i have never seen before. when i arrived i ran into a little girl ive never seen. she was sitting down staring at me.i then proceeded to close a nearby window but as i approached it the shutters on the window slammed shut. i felt very scared at that point and ran out of the house. i then began what i thought was running down the street past some more children. thats when i realized i wasnt running, i was floating, and the children were asking how i was doing it. very weird dream , is there a meaning? 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