E.l.e.c.t.r.i.c D.r.e.a.m.s Subscribe: electric-dreams-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Unsubscribe: electric-dreams-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Subscribe Online: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/electric-dreams o|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|o E.l.e.c.t.r.i.c D.r.e.a.m.s Volume #9 Issue #7 July 2002 ISSN# 1089 4284 o|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|o http://www.dreamgate.com/electric-dreams o|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|o Download a cover for this issue! http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/ed-covers o|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|o C O N T E N T S ++ Editor's Notes New Dream Editor, Elizabeth Westlake ++ The Global Dreaming News Events - Updates - Reviews - More From Peggy Coats - www.DreamTree.com ++ Column: An Excerpt From the Lucid Dream Exchange By Lucy Gillis ++ Article: The World Dreams Peace Bridge as a Long-Term Journaling Project By Jean Campbell ++ Article: Flying Through Science Fiction and Fantasy By Linda Lane Magall¢n ++ Article & Research Data: Computer Dreams Digital Dreaming Series #9a: DATA : Selected Dream entries from July 2001 to September 11, 2001 and #9b The Digital Archetype: Discussions from the C.G. Jung Bulletin Board. By Richard Catlett Wilkerson D R E A M S S E C T I O N : Volume #468 - #502 With Elizabeth Westlake and Harry Bosma D E A D L I N E : July 17th deadline for July 2002 submissions XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX Send Dreams and Comments on Dreams to: Richard Wilkerson Send Dreaming News and Calendar Events to: Peggy Coats Send Articles and Subscription concerns to: Richard Wilkerson: o|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|o Editor's Notes o|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|o Welcome to the July 2002 issue of Electric Dreams, your portal to dreams and dreaming online. If you are new to dreams and dreaming, please join us on dreamchatters@yahoogroups.com and we will guide you to the resources you need. To join send an e to dreamchatters-subscribe@yahoogroups.com With great pleasure I would like to introduce you to the new Dream Section editor! Please welcome Elizabeth Westlake writer@mochamail.com who has joined the Electric Dreams staff as the Dream Editor beginning with this July issue. If you take even a little peek at the dream section, you will notice that it is has become magically transformed in Elizabeth's hands. You can now find cross references on comments, avoid reading duplications, and generally see that the whole format is quite approachable. Elizabeth has been working as a dream interpreter for over five years, both for herself and for others. " Until recently (with the demise of the Webseed Network) I was the managing editor of their dream interpretation site, DreamersHaven.com. I'm currently working on my new site, DreamersOasis.com. I'm still tweaking the CMS (themes, formats, etc.) so it doesn't have any actual content in it yet. " EW If you have dreams you would like added to the Electric Dreams section on dreams, please don't send those to us directly, but rather put then in the dream-flow. You can do this by either subscribing directly dream-flow-subscribe@yahoogroups.com or submitting to the form at http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/temple/ Our news directory, Peggy Coats, from dreamtree.com, has gathered dreaming news from around the world. In the Global Dreaming News you will find the latest dream and dreamwork events, conferences, and seminars. Also you will find research and research requests for subject, updates on your favorite dream websites, book reviews and more. If you have news items about dreams and dreaming for Peggy, send them to her at web@dreamtree.com In this month's Excerpts from the Lucid Dream Exchange, Lucy Gillis herself gets interviewed! If you are interested in what leads people to lucid dreaming and the background of a lucid dreamer, this interview is for you! Are you interested in World Peace? If so, Jean Campbell may help you understand how proactive dreaming can be used to being the global peace process. Since 9-11 Jean has been interested in the reverberations through the dream world and has been involved in a variety of projects that will allow us to dream a new world. Join the World Dream Peace Bridge and read "The World Dreams Peace Bridge: As a Long-Term Journaling Project" Linda Land Magall¢n has been observing for some time how fantasy and sci-fi stories mimic the activities of the flying dreamer. In "Flying Through Science Fiction and Fantasy" Linda explores the texts in some detail and shows how to use paperbacks, comic strips and even children's picture books to incubate flying dreams. A short time ago I was asked a question about the Computer Dreams project that I found interesting. How do the archetypes fit in with computer dreams? You will find some of my thoughts about this in my article "The Digital Archetype: Discussions from the C.G. Jung Bulletin Board." Also included are more dreams from the computer dreams research project. Most of the survey information has been removed, and if you are a researcher and need this information, contact me. What I am presenting here are the raw dreams themselves, with the focus less on who is having them, than what kinds of content they contain. As we move into the Digital Age, these dreams make for fascinating reading. This selection are the dream of the summer before 9-11. Be sure to look through Computer Dreams Digital Dreaming Series #9a: DATA : Selected Dream entries from July 2001 to September 11, 2001 By the way, the Association for the Study of Dreams just ended their 19th Annual International Conference. You can see the abstracts as well as the dream inspired art show and dream telepathy contest winners at http://www.asdreams.org/2002 The dream inspired Art Exhibit is also online: http://www.asdreams.org/2002 http://www.asdreams.org/2001 Our cover artist this month is Dale Shearon. Dale is a former school teacher who currently works as a freelance designer in the Seattle, WA. area. His background outside of education is art and photography, two artforms he likes to blend into his work. The image for this cover consists of multiple copies of three photographs along with his pet image, a scan of an old fashioned magnifying glass. His current project is an interactive CD portfolio for an artist using Macromedia Flash and Adobe's PhotoShop and Illustrator. Dale welcomes e-mail comments. His address is dale@speculardesign.com His web site is www.speculardesign.com Dale is a solid sleeper who seldom recalls his dreams, but has had an excellent flight dream. We don't send the cover with the e-zine, but you can view, download and print up a copy anytime at: http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/ed-covers/ -------------------- Our dream-flow Dreams this month come from all around the Net and have been organized by the software developed by Harry Bosma. Be sure to look through the dreams and see what on the mind and soul of dreamers in Cyberspace. Thanks to all who sent in information for the Dream Resources pages. There is still time to get your site updated. You can look through our collected website links at: http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/resources/ For those of you who are new to dreams and dreaming, be sure to stop by one of the many resources: http://www.dreamtree.com http://www.dreamgate.com/electric-dreams http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/library -Richard Wilkerson /////////////////////////////////////////////////////// <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< G L O B A L D R E A M I N G N E W S July 2002 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< If you have news you'd like to share, contact Peggy Coats, pcoats@dreamtree.com. Visit Global Dreaming News online at http://www.dreamtree.com/News/global.htm. This Month's Features: NEWS - Kelly Bulkeley releases several dream articles - Patricia Garfield's Pajama Party at BookPassage WEBSITE & ONLINE UPDATES - Kristine Mann Library (C.G. Jung) DREAM CALENDAR for June-July 2002 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< N E W S <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< >>>> Kelly Bulkeley releases several dream articles http://www.kellybulkeley.com Kelly Bulkeley, one of the dream field's most prominent scholars, now has several of his articles online. There are also book reviews and other resources. Here is a list of the articles: (2002). Reflections on the Dream Traditions of Islam. Sleep and Hypnosis. (pdf) (2002). Dream Reports for "Dream Content and Political Ideology." Dreaming 12(2). (2001). The Strange Politics of Dreaming (2000). AAR 2001 Presentation: Penelope as Dreamer: The Perils of Interpretation (2000) Transforming Dreams: Learning Spiritual Lessons from the Dreams You Never Forget. Dream Time Magazine 17(1), pp. 6-7. (1999). The Varieties of Religious Dream Experience. The Introduction to Visions of the Night (Albany, NY: SUNY) (1996). From the Yellow Brick Road to Freddy's Razor Claws: Films, Dreams, and American Society. Santa Clara University. Based on a Presentation Made at the 1996 Annual Meeting of the American Academy of Religion. (1996) Political Dreaming: Dreams of the 1992 Presidential Election. Chapter 10 from Among All These Dreamers (SUNY Press) (1995). Snakes. Chapter 2 from: Spiritual Dreaming: A Cross- Cultural and Historical Journey. New York, NY: Paulist Press. (1994) Dream-Sharing Groups, Spirituality, and Community. Presentation made to the Person, Culture and Religion Group at the Annual Meeting of the American Academy of Religion, Chicago, Illinois. >>>> Patricia Garfield's Pajama Party at BookPassage Patricia Garfield Fri., June 28, 7:00 pm Join us for a pajama party Patricia Garfield talks about The Dream Book: A Young Person's Guide to Understanding Dreams ($9.95). Garfield discusses the dreams and nightmares most 10 to 14 year-olds experience. She doesn't just tell readers what their dreams mean, she tells them how to work with their dreams to lead a better waking life. Most importantly, she explains what dreams tell readers about themselves how dreams can provide self-knowledge, help develop self-confidence, and forge personal identity. Come dressed in your pj's and make yourself comfy. Snacks provided. Garfield is the author of Creative Dreaming The address of Book Passage is 51 Tamal Vista Boulevard, Corte Madera, CA 94925. Telephone is: 800-999-7909 Directions at: http://www.bookpassage.com/newsletter/mayjun02/12.html <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< W E B S I T E & O N L I N E U P D A T E S <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< Do you know of interesting new websites you'd like to share with others? Or do you have updates to existing pages? Help spread the word by using the Electric Dreams DREAM-LINK page www.dreamgate.com/dream/resources/online97.htm. This is really a public projects board and requires that everyone keep up his or her own link URLs and information. Make a point to send changes to the links page to us. >>>> The Kristine Mann Library of the Analytical Psychology Club at the C.G. Jung Center of New York http://www.junglibrary.org/ Focused on the work of Carl Gustav Jung, the Kristine Mann Library is a resource for Jungian studies. The KML, established in the 1940's by the Analytical Psychology Club of New York, collects and catalogs books, papers, journals, audiovisuals and other materials by and about C.G. Jung and others in the field of Jungian psychology. The KML collection also includes materials in related areas of study, such as Eastern and Western religions, alchemy, mythology, symbolism, the arts, anthropology, psychoanalysis and general psychology. There is a special article/talk transcription on dreams: Dreams: A Way of Listening to God? I. Presentation by Dr. Gerard Condon 2. Response by Dr. Harry Fogarty and Audience Discussion Also very special, a database search of abstracts of C. G. Jung's Collected Works! >>>> Electric Dreams Articles Archive http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/ed-articles/ Where can you find hundreds or articles on dreams, dreaming and dreamwork online? The Electric Dreams Articles Archive! Electric Dreams has offered itself as a forum for free thinking dreamworkers since 1994 and you can view the whole collection at the Archive. Search for your favorite author's by name from Anderson to Zafren, or do a keyword search for topics. Articles, interviews, columns on topics such as computer dreams, apocalyptic dreams, dreamwork theory, Jung, Freud, Adler, Garfield, Bulkeley. Explore lucid dreaming with articles by LaBerge and Gillis, Gachenbach and Magallon. Look into psi dreaming events and theory. Find out the latest ideas in dream sharing online. Be an Electric Dreamer and stop by the Electric Dreams Articles archive. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< D R E A M C A L E N D A R June-July 2002 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< June 28 in Corte Madera, CA Patricia Garfield Fri., June 28, 7:00 pm Book Passage: 51 Tamal Vista Boulevard, Corte Madera, CA 94925. Telephone is: 800-999-7909 Directions at: http://www.bookpassage.com/newsletter/mayjun02/12.html June 29-30 in Santa Fe, NM "Dreaming Other Lives and Other Worlds", a weekend workshop with Robert Moss. For more information, Contact Shirley at (505) 982 - 2158 or email lizrdwymon@aol.com July 6-12 in the Netherlands Annual Summer Kaplan-Williams Dreamwork Intensive http://dreamwork2000.com/ Jul 20-21 in Orinda, CA Class on "Dreaming as a Spiritual Practice," at John F. Kennedy University with author Kelley Bulkeley. For more information, visit the website at http://www.kellybulkeley.com/upcoming_events.htm o|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|o An Excerpt From the Lucid Dream Exchange By Lucy Gillis o|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|o In the last issue of the Lucid Dream Exchange I interviewed co- editor Robert Waggoner, for his regular column "DreamSpeak - An Interview with a Lucid Dreamer." Turning the tables for the current issue, Robert has interviewed me. (Nice thing about being co-editor is that I got to be as wordy as I pleased...so, if you'll indulge a rambling dreamer, here we go! ******** DreamSpeak - An Interview with a Lucid Dreamer Robert Waggoner interviews LDE co-editor, Lucy Gillis. Robert: So Lucy, how long have you been lucid dreaming? How did you begin? Lucy: I've been remembering lucid dreams for almost 15 years now. I began after I read one of Jane Robert's Seth books in which Seth said that you could become conscious in your dream. I was fascinated by the idea and wondered if it could really be possible. Then a few months later I did it - spontaneously. Robert: Tell us about your first lucid dream. Lucy: It was very brief, and I became lucid only at the very end, seconds before I woke: Meeting My Inner Shelf December 14 1987 A young woman and I are in a university dorm room, getting ready to go to a lecture on Edgar Cayce, when all of a sudden the features in the room are gone and the young woman has become sinister-looking. She is dressed in tight black leather and wears an elaborate ornamental headpiece. She now stands about two metres above me, holding a shining sword, raised and ready to strike. I discover I am now tangled among thick ropes, pinned against a wall, holding on tightly to keep from dropping. There is no floor below me, only a dark void. I know that with one slash of her sword, the ropes will break and I will fall into the nothingness below. She begins to chant something Satanic; one word over and over. I look down into the blackness and think "Shelf. I need a shelf." I release my grip and somehow know that a shelf will appear below me. It does so instantly. When I land, I look back up at the woman, with a slow triumphant smile. I know I'm dreaming. She begins to vanish, like mist, as I open my eyes to purposely end the dream. Robert: What did you think when you woke up? Lucy: To say I was excited is an understatement. I was ecstatic! I could feel a tremendous rush of excitement, like electricity coursing through my body. At the time I couldn't adequately articulate the new sense of freedom, and personal power I felt. It was almost overwhelming. I felt transformed, awakened. I became more and more interested in dreams and consciousness studies and began to read as much as I could on the subjects. Robert: Did you know any other lucid dreamers at the time? Lucy: No. Not one. But the Seth books were an incredible comfort and a great source of information as I explored my dream world. A few years later I read Stephen LaBerge's "Lucid Dreaming" and I was hooked even more! I had no idea that there was a "name" for these conscious dreams and that they had been be scientifically verified in sleep laboratories in England and the States. Through the Lucidity Institute I met and corresponded with other lucid dreamers and learned a tremendous amount from them. Robert: What were your early goals in lucid dreaming? Lucy: Well, basically just to get lucid! I participated in many Lucidity Institute experiments and therefore at the time, my goals were determined by the instructions in the experiments. As for personal goals, I did what most other new lucid dreamers do; fly, walk on water, walk through solid objects, change scenes at will, do outrageous things that I'd never dream of doing while awake! (Pardon the pun.) Robert: I recall reading about your use of singing to engage the lucid dream - tell us about that. How did that get started? Lucy: That started ten years ago. Again, I have to refer back to Jane Roberts and the Seth books, but this time more specifically to Jane's husband, Rob. In one of the books, I read that when he first began trying out of body or projection experiments, he once found himself hovering above his sleeping body but he couldn't seem to move anywhere. He noticed that he could hear his physical body snoring and decided to use the sound of his snoring as a way to propel himself away from his body. I thought that was such a great idea! The next day I used his technique. Here is part of that dream: Skates Flapping/Singing to Fly/Remembering Rob Butt's Technique July 6 1992 ...I hop up into the air trying to fly. I get up only a few centimetres. For some reason I am afraid to fly too high. I think of how I'd like to go into outer space but I'm nervous of trying that just yet. I don't even want to go higher than the buildings. I begin to sing "Aaah" as I jump. I take a breath, jump, and sing again. I recall reading yesterday that Robert Butts used the sound of his snoring to try to propel himself elsewhere while in the "astral state." So I sing louder, and sure enough, I can fly higher. I keep this up and soon I am flying down the street.... I sing "aaah" as loud as I can, but know that my sleeping body is soundless. I can feel the head and throat area of my sleeping body; it is motionless. I marvel at this feeling of duality; my solid sleeping body not moving while my lighter dream throat vibrates. I can't tell which throat is inside the other. At this point I know that I can go on with the dream or wake. I choose to wake so I can write this down immediately. Now when I say I am moved by a particular piece of music - I really mean it!! I use singing mostly for flying (I begin to sing and simultaneously I'll rise higher in the air, and usually my control of flight becomes better). But mostly I will sing about what I see or do, maybe to the tune of a popular song, or a tune I make up. This sometimes helps me to remember the dream when I wake. I won't always recall the exact words I sung, but the images and events I sang about are easily remembered. Perhaps someone versed in brain physiology could explain if this has any scientific basis. I recall Stephen LaBerge wrote about his experiments with singing and counting in lucid dreams and the corresponding brainwave patterns. I was very fascinated by the results. I'd be interested to hear if there has been any more research in this area. I hope to do more personal experimentation with this. If sound can help me to fly, remember my dreams, keep the dream going, what other things could it do? What about self- healing? Could singing or producing particular sounds in a lucid dream stimulate healing, or memory? Robert: What kind of songs would you sing - rock, pop, show tunes, Gordon Lightfoot ballads? (Note: Lucy is from Canada.) Lucy: "The legend lives on from the Chippewa on down, of the big lake they call 'Gitchie Gumee' ......" Whew! Good thing you can't hear me belting out "The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald" as I type this up! I like some Gordon Lightfoot - I admit it! - but I've never sung any of his songs in my dreams. I grew up in the 70's listening to hard rock and metal, so I am more likely to sing songs from that era. Judas Priest, Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin, etc. are always great to soar with! Sometimes I will just hum, or sing notes to the tune of a familiar song. For the requisite Canadian Content, (Canadian readers will know what I mean!) I have flown, swooping and soaring, while singing k.d. Lang's "Constant Craving." And of course the "Hockey Night in Canada" theme.....!!! Robert: I also recall that in lucid dreams, you felt that you might be dealing with "probable" events? What do you mean by "probable events" and what lucid dreams brought that idea up? This could take a long while to explain, but I'll try to be as concise as possible. Once again, I have to point back to the Seth books, for it is in those books that I learned about probable realities. Jane Robert's friend Sue Watkins had many lucid dreams of this nature, and it was in reading about her experiences in Robert's book "Seth, Dreams and Projection of Consciousness" that I got interested in this topic. (Several chapters were on the topic of dreams and probable realities.) As a very basic definition, think of a probable reality as a parallel reality. Almost identical to this world but with some differences. Now think of an infinite amount of them. Seth spoke of the probable field as one in which events are "rehearsed" before they are materialized in physical reality - if they are chosen to materialize at all. Those that aren't materialized here, are actualized in another probable (parallel) reality. Of course this is not done at an ego awareness level, but by the inner or higher self. (I'm really generalizing here.) Seth is not the only one to speak about ideas like these. Several theories of quantum physics support this too; the idea that for every decision made the alternate choices happen in other parallel realities. In other words, you walk down the street and chose to go right at the intersection. In some other reality, you have gone left. Any readers out there familiar with the British Comedy "Red Dwarf"? Ace Rimmer (what a guy!) is a probable version of Arnold Rimmer. The antics of the "Red Dwarf" crew often demonstrate beautifully some of the more interesting theories of quantum physics; time travel, parallel realities, multiple dimensions, consciousness creating reality, etc. But I digress.....(however, in another probable reality, I just keep rambling on about "Red Dwarf" and about how brilliant the writers are, and how the episode with the dream recorder was so cool....!) In some lucids I have met probable versions of myself, and probable versions of family and some friends. It is kind of difficult to explain how I know that they are probable versions and not just "regular" dream characters. The dream feels different. It is just a knowing. Some probable events are quite easy to spot. For instance, in one of my lucids, I literally say that "we are re-doing the probability," as we (myself and other dream characters) make slight alterations to the sequence of events, to see how simple changes can affect the outcome. In another instance, I watch as a building blows up, over and over again, each time I am in a different place, and wonder if I will survive or lose consciousness "this time." According to Seth we enter the probable field all the time in dreams, and that is how some events in our waking world get "created." We just don't recognize that we do so. But in a lucid dream, we are much more alert, and therefore, I believe, more likely to "catch ourselves in the act." Whether Seth and some of the quantum physicists are correct or not, makes no difference. These dreams are delightful and a heck of a lot of fun!! Robert: Do you think that your interest in physics entered in here - or anywhere else - in your lucid dreaming? Lucy: Absolutely. I've always been intrigued with some of the philosophical implications of quantum physics, particularly those that deal with parallel universes, or probable universes and how consciousness creates reality. If these theories are correct, (and I'd like to think they are!) then I feel that consciousness studies is the next step in discovering what we, and the universe(s) are all about. And what better way to study consciousness than from within the dream state? And as an aside, astronomy has always intrigued me, and since it is highly unlikely that I will ever travel to distant worlds or galaxies, then from a purely aesthetic point of view, lucid dreaming allows me my flights of fancy (another pun to pardon) and the opportunity to see what the wonders of the universe may look like. Robert: Nowadays, what techniques do you use to become lucid, or is it most likely to happen naturally? Lucy: Most likely it will happen spontaneously, but some gentle suggestions to myself throughout the day and just before sleeping have proved to be successful too. And it doesn't hurt to reality check once in a while. I can't count how many dreams in which I've done a reality check, out of habit, and been shocked and delighted to discover that I'm dreaming! Trying to read text or clocks is the usual check for me. Sometimes if there is no text or clock nearby I'll try poking my fingers through walls - but a lot of the time it doesn't work, so I'll assume I'm not dreaming. Funny, I never try poking my fingers into walls when I'm awake, though! Robert: What is it about lucid dreaming that intrigues you? Lucy: That you can live in two (or more!) worlds at once. Consciousness fascinates me. How we can dream in such detail, such wonderful scenes and activities, never ceases to amaze me. As I mentioned, I believe that consciousness creates reality. I feel closer to this process when lucid dreaming. When I am lucid I feel as though I am about to be let in on some great secret. When I awaken from a lucid I feel like I have accomplished something very special. It is a real morale booster that leaves me energized and in high spirits for the rest of the day. Robert: Tell us about one of your most personally interesting lucid dreams? Lucy: Since you brought up probable dreams, I'll include my favourite probable dream below, as it appears in my dream journal: The Probabilities Meeting May 15 1998 [Order of events may not be correct. I am staying over at a friend's apartment. I have many false awakenings, but always catch myself and continue to dream lucidly.] I am in Mark's living room. I realize that I am dreaming. I go out into the small hallway by the kitchen. I float and fly up and down the small hallway, wondering what I should do next. I think about going outside, but I don't want to go out in the cold morning air. At some point I find a small round mirror and I look at my image and the room reflected in it [I did not notice if the reflection was accurate], I try to get inside the mirror to see what I'll find there. After a few attempts I give up. Also at some point, a phone rings. I let the machine take the message, knowing it is from or about someone or something named Fabula Caprila. I look back into Mark's living room. I am not surprised to see two Karen's, a few other me's, and one or two other people. I know that I am dreaming and am seeing probable versions of people, myself included [from probable realities]. I am not perturbed, when some of them pop in and out of existence. I don't let the "non-linearity" or "non consistency" bother me. I know that that is just an aspect of the state we are in. Then I am standing on or above a large round table. There are at least two me's, and two or more Karen's and multiple other people as well as a couple, a man and a woman. The man and woman seem to stand out in my perception. I am at a meeting, a probabilities meeting. Expertly I quote from a Seth book, about learning to operate in the probability system. In my mind I "see" the title of the book as "The Search for Seth," but smiling, I remind myself that in "my" reality those quotes come from a book titled "Seth Speaks." Some of the other people here, would have "The Search for Seth" in their reality. I notice that the couple are not paying attention to me. They seem unaware that I'm here, or perhaps more accurately, unaware that they are here. Glancing around the table I become curious as to how many people here are aware that they are dreaming. I ask those who are listening how many of them realise that they are dreaming right now. I am pleased to see a few hands go up, pleased also to see a me with her hand up. The couple continue to talk between themselves, oblivious to their surroundings. I am satisfied that at least some of us are consciously present, and know that those who are not, are still learning and participating here on at least some level of their psyche. At the "end" of the meeting someone falls. We seem to be in a conga line, dancing and having fun. [Does the line represent our going back to a linear-time based system?] Then it seems I am waking. As I look to my right, [I am sleeping on a couch] I see that the chair has different upholstery on it. Immediately I know that I am dreaming. At another time I "wake" to find yet a different upholstery on the chair, and again I know that I am dreaming. Once or twice I "awaken" to find no chair, and again I smile to myself, smug that I am catching myself each time. Once I "wake" up and everything looks as it should. But I bounce up off the couch and pick a book off of the bookshelf and try to read and reread a sentence. I'm thrilled and a bit surprised to find it distorting, again indicating that I am still dreaming. Once again, I "wake" and reach down to pick up a book in which to write out the dream. I don't have my dream journal handy, so I will write on the back empty pages of a SCI-FI novel I'm reading. I slide a bit back on the couch, getting more comfortable. I know it's still a dream, as I have a pencil by the book now, not a pen as I have in "real" life. Except for the pencil, the room looks exactly as it does in "waking life." I am enjoying this. It is like playing a game! Next time I wake for real, pick up the pen and scribble out the dream in the back of the novel. [Could the many false awakenings be symbolic of many probable realities - almost identical to this reality, but with differences?] Robert: What advice would you give to new or aspiring lucid dreamers? Lucy: Never give up! Always honour your dreams - lucid or otherwise - and never compare them to someone else's, or rate them as "poor" or "not good enough." You are unique and no one can have the dreams that you do - it's impossible. Some dreams might seem boring, or uneventful, but always remember that with each experience of lucidity you are expanding your conscious awareness and are growing with each new dream. As for just getting lucid, don't try too hard. I found that when I put too much pressure on myself I had the reverse effect and no lucidity would develop. Gentle, but firm suggestions to myself that I would be lucid in my dream, repeated throughout the day (plus some reality checking) and just before sleeping seemed to work the best for me. Find or develop whatever technique feels the most comfortable for you and go for it! Robert: What plans do you have for the LDE? Lucy: I have no specific plans at the moment, and am certainly open to suggestions. But in general, I'd like to see LDE grow and flourish and reach out to more lucid dreamers. It was my early contact with lucid dreamers and then with LDE, (when LDE founder, Ruth Sacksteder was publishing it) that greatly influenced and shaped my lucid dreaming experiences and ambitions. I learned so much from others and am very grateful to them all. I'm still learning from the readers of LDE. Lucid dreamers never cease to amaze me with their creativity and unique perspectives. I hope that LDE will continue to be a source of information, guidance, and entertainment for fellow dream explorers, and a friendly forum where dreams and opinions can be shared openly. ******* Lucy Gillis grew up in Nova Scotia beside an ocean-fed lake in which she spent many summers frolicking, floating, and daydreaming. She has a Bachelors degree in astrophysics and worked for several years in the physics laboratories in an agricultural college. She currently works as an analyst for a scientific research company in British Columbia. When not at work, Lucy can be found in pubs with her local lucid dream group (that's where the best meetings are held!) or seated behind a very rich designer dessert at Death By Chocolate, hoping that, if she's dreaming, she won't wake until every last crumb is eaten! (If you would like to be interviewed or would like to submit an interview, contact Robert at dreambob@aol.com) ******** The Lucid Dream Exchange is a quarterly newsletter featuring lucid dreams and lucid dream related articles, poetry, and book reviews. To subscribe to The Lucid Dream Exchange send a blank email to: TheLucidDreamExchange-subscribe@yahoogroups.com or join through the Yahoo Groups website at http://www.groups.yahoo.com/ The LDE can be found under Sciences>Social Sciences>Psychology>Sleep and Dreams. o|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|o The World Dreams Peace Bridge As a Long-Term Journaling Project By Jean Campbell o|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|o When the first plane struck the World Trade Centers on September 11, 2001, I was at my computer. "Turn on the television," came the post from a friend. "A plane has just hit the World Trade Centers." From my vantage point in front of the television I, like millions of other Americans, watched in horror as yet a second plane flew into the landmark buildings. Those of you familiar with my work on dreams know that, for the past twenty-five years or so, I have studied the so-called "paranormal" realms of consciousness. My first thought on seeing the second plane hit was, "This is changing the course of history." My second thought was, "Oh lordy, there are going to be a lot of precognitive dreams reported." Back to the computer I went, broadcasting a message to the ASD Online Bulletin Board, which I moderate, and to other online dream groups, that people were welcome to share their dreams and thoughts about the disaster on the Bulletin Board. True to my prediction, the first dreams of the hundreds of 9/11 dreams to appear online were the precognitions. So many dreams, in fact, that I could begin to detect a pattern. A lot of these dreamers were totally new to the world of dream sharing, and some of them were scared out of their wits not by the possibility of further terrorism, but by the implications of the dreams they had dreamed. After a few busy days of reassuring dreamers and helping them to join online forums such as the ASD psidreaming group, I wrote an article, "Dealing With Precognitive Dreamer Guilt," (available online at http:dreamtalk/hypermart.net/campbelldreamer_guilt.htm ) which I asked Richard Wilkerson to publish in Electric Dreams [2001, 8(10)] In it, I talked about my own 9/11 precognitive dream, a snippet around 5:30 a.m., in which I stood in the control tower of an airport, watching as an air traffic controller dealt with what was obviously an emergency. The question with my dream, as with any precognitive dream, was what to do about it. Obviously I had not averted disaster, nor probably could I have averted disaster if I'd tried. So why did I have the dream? I tend to believe that *all* dreams lucid dreams, shared dreams, precognitive or telepathic dreams have meaning for the dreamer. In this case, there I was, standing in the control tower, but only watching as others dealt with the emergency. Why? In early October, ASD member Victoria Quinton from Australia posted to the Dreamchatters online group, a dream she'd had of seeing a single, lighted candle. My response was a childhood memory of watching Bishop Fulton J. Sheen stride onto the black and white television screen, while offstage a chorus sang the theme song of the Christophers, "If everyone lit just one little candle, what a bright world this would be." Following the initial outpouring of precognitive dreams after 9/11, I could sense the growing frustration of the dream community. We might be able to dream in advance of an event, but what could we possibly do to avert disaster? That was when the World Dreams Peace Bridge came to my mind. There are many dream workers who believe that we not only perceive but *create* the world through our dreams. What if dreamers were to become proactive rather than reactive? To take "control", as my dream said? To light a candle against the darkness? In October I sent out around one hundred e-mail messages to dreamers, many of them ASD members but also to family members, friends, and others, asking if they would like to participate in an experiment to see if we could dream up some world peace. Because at the time I was deep into work on the ASD's Online Guide to International Dream Work, I was blessed with the friendship of many of ASD's international membership. The response to the idea of forming a World Dreams Peace bridge was immediate and overwhelmingly positive. Several people said they didn't have time for an online forum, but wanted to be kept informed of other projects. At the same time, the response from those who wanted to become part a forum to discuss peace dreaming grew steadily, until it leveled out at around forty dreamers from all over the world: Australia, the Netherlands, Finland, Sweden, Mexico, Japan, India, China, Greece, Korea, and of course the United States. Right from the beginning, this was an active group, generating well over 1,000 e-mails per month, delving quickly and deeply into feelings and dreams. It did not take me long to realize that we had created something unique to dreaming: an online, interactive, long-term group dream journal, focused toward a particular subject, peace, but spreading ripples into all other areas of dreaming. Not unexpectedly, some of the members of the fledgling group had dreams about the formation of a World Dreams Peace Bridge. "When I mused on your invitation," Jody wrote on October 21st, "I had a dream surprise, surprise. Here it is." I am talking with some people, dark haired beautiful women, I think. They ask me to commit to the task of growing, harvesting and preserving a set of heirloom seeds. I hesitate, thinking of the task and that I may not be so successful with seeds as with plants. Big responsibility these rare seeds, and I'm not completely confident of my skill to do this. Also, that it will require a long-time commitment and patience. But in fact I do accept the commitment, and receive a small, brown envelope with seeds in it. On the package, it says: GOLDEN ERA. The name of the seeds! But I immediately realize what I have been given and what my task is: I have been given the seed forms, the "memes" or images of a "Golden Era," the golden or high time of culture, and it is my job to perpetuate these seeds, these memes or life forms. By accepting the package, I accept the commitment. "Here is a brief dream which I had the night after the September 11 attacks," Sandy wrote: A closeup on the face of Beau Bridges. He looks directly at me (directly into the camera, if this were a movie) and I know there is something really important happening. He does something with his hands. It's out of frame, and so I can't tell what it is and then he raises his hand up, and he has opened a lipstick tube. Once again, he looks directly at me, and then deftly applies the lipstick. He smiles and I know this is really important. "Here is what I make of it," she said. 'Beautiful Bridges' (instead of burning bridges, which is how I was feeling after the devastation). Here is a really strong man. A man who can take charge. He has power, but he needs something else. When he applies the lipstick, I think of it as a metaphor for feminizing his power, and I reckon that this is exactly what we need in these times." Not only was the idea that we could build a beautiful dream bridge impacting the dreaming minds of the people I actually, verbally contacted, but it seemed as if it was impacting others as well. One morning, as I was taking my usual walk in the park near my home, I encountered a couple I often saw there. Moving quickly toward me, the woman, Isobel (who is at best a casual acquaintance) said, "I dreamed about you last night." By this time they were standing in front of me, the embarrassed husband ready to run if necessary. "I don't know if you believe in dreams," she said. I encouraged her to tell me the dream. What she said was that my entire house and yard were being remodeled and renovated. "And you know that ditch by your house?" she said, referring to an old rail road right of way. "That was all landscaped too, with a bridge and these beautiful gardens. "I probably dreamed for you because I couldn't dream for myself," she said as they began to walk away. "Well, next time I'll dream for *you*," I replied. Turning to face me, walking away backward, Isobel smiled. "But I don't want no house and garden," she said. "You can send me on a world tour. I want to go on a world tour singing!" Of course, the World Dreams Peace Bridge was a place to talk about post- 9/11 nightmares. After posting a dream, one New York City resident said, "These dreams are nightmarish when I awaken, but then I look forward to working through them. I know that this is the way my brain is processing all of this . I am grateful for the opportunity to share with you all." In early November, Jeremy wrote from Korea: "Just now, I lay down to nap and dreamed I was awake in my study, and suddenly white dust, like thick snow, started falling from the ceiling. I got up and went to the living room and saw it floating down there too. I alerted my wife, who was already aware of it, and she said we should get some masks. Our child was in the house too, and suddenly I filled with fear. End of Dream. "Obviously this was about Anthrax," he went on. "Death could come so suddenly and soon. All the peace in my heart, that I've been carrying several days now, was swept away by the catastrophe." Members of the online group struggled with the idea of what it might mean to dream the world into peace. There were some people who declined to join the group, because they saw dreaming for peace as an imposition on others. "I would no more want to focus on creating peace than I would on creating war," one woman said. "Who am I to decide what other people need?" I was glad when the members of the World Dreams peace bridge, at Rita's suggestion, adopted the words from the song, "Let there be Peace on Earth, and let it begin with me," as their informal theme song. George put it most succinctly when he wrote: "I have known that piece for years and have heard it in church. I used to think of it as meaning peace has to begin with my being peaceful with others and working to make peace in the world. Now I see it as even more relevant to our purposes than that. "Through dreaming, we work through our own opposites or conflicts. We may speak of this as working toward an integration of consciousness with the unconscious, or working for peace within ourselves. These are the opposites which, when resolved, create a harmony that is seen in mandala dreams. When we resolve conflicts within ourselves through our dreaming, we are more psychologically ready to resolve old conflicts of ours with those around us in waking life. And so we work from our inner harmonizing to our outer harmonizing to, we hope, being able to contribute to peace and justice and harmony in other parts of the world." This having been said, members of the World Dreams Peace Bridge set about deepening their understanding of themselves and each other, even resolving conflicts, when they came up in the group, in the spirit of a deeper opening to the meaning of the dream. Not that this was easy: "I tell you," one member wrote. "If my personality had known what I was signing up to with your Peace bridge, she probably would have taken a vacation instead.:)" When I invited people to "experiment" with dreaming the world toward peace, I meant just that. I had no idea what might happen in this group, nor did I want us to go into it with preconceived notions. I must admit though that I had some clues. Years ago, when I directed Poseidia Institute, a consciousness research organization, we devised a series of dream experiments called "Dreams to the Tenth Power." Over a period of years, we asked several groups of people, ten in each group, to dream together. We would give them specific goals like, "Meet at a restaurant," and see who dreamed together. Sometimes the results were astounding. From the reports of participants, it was obvious that people who had never met in waking life could accurately dream one another's waking physical appearance and share many other elements of the dream. Therefore, I was not too surprised when the synchronicities began to show up unmistakably on the World Dreams Peace Bridge. One of the earliest came when Jeremy, in Korea, wrote to a new member from India, asking her if she happened to know a woman he'd met in India earlier, someone he'd not heard from in a while. Not only did the two women know one another; they were also friends and neighbors. These were the delights of the sharing, while at the same time, this same woman, Radhika, wrote from her home in India, near the border with Pakistan: "Today, and this has been building, I am tired of this war. The Taliban says that Osama is no longer their guest. Bush's picture is in our papers every day looking really important. Apparently the same terrible lords that had Afghanistan under their control before the Taliban took over are back in. These men had long tyrannized and destroyed Afghanistan for their power. So what if there is music in the streets for a while? What really is the fate of Afghanistan? "Remembering Rita's outsider dream and feeling outside. Hmmm." Beyond the synchronicities it manifested, this group began to dream together. Symbols were tossed back and forth from one person's dream to another and, occasionally, people shared the same dream. "What I realize I am doing in this group is staying fully in the flow with my authentic self," one person wrote. " I am not censoring what my heart chooses to discuss and say. I am staying open and present to the energy of each person, and the group energy. I have not done this ever before in my life in an ongoing group setting." "I continue to be amazed by the richness of the threads in our tapestry," wrote another. The sense of purpose among group members continued to grow, both in the dream state and in waking. In early December Sue wrote: "I don't really understand why the white buffalo are showing up in my dreamtime, but last night I had another dream." I had been walking through a museum of sorts, looking at all the exhibits of animals and I remember a kite exhibit. We went outside to another area that was kind of like a county fair. All of a sudden, I see this huge, beautiful white buffalo standing there, just waiting to be touched! I was so excited I said to my husband, "Look, it's a buffalo exhibit." And then as we got closer I could see all sizes of white buffalo. Many were babies . Though Sue, at the time of her dream, was not aware of the Native American legend of the white buffalo, many others in the group were. After recounting a vision from earlier in her life, Valley said, "I have always felt that the return of the spirit of the buffalo meant the return of the People. The return of the old ways that have been gone for much too long." Many experiences like this continued to happen in the group, but the most amusing to me was when the group energy seemed to spill out into the ASD Bulletin Board. All of a sudden, in January, visitors to the Bulletin Board began to post bridge dreams, dreams that had many parallels to the dreams I was seeing posted to the World Dreams Peace Bridge. Some of the Bridge group members then jumped into the discussion on the Bulletin Board. "My feeling when I read about these bridge dreams," wrote Birdy, "is that they were connected to the Internet, because a while back I had a teaching dream that told me the Internet was a bridge." She went on to say, "I found this list (the World Dreams Peace Bridge) through my interest in dreams (but) . It was when I read Jean's purpose for the list that I became excited. It was not the word 'peace' that drew me, as much as it was the word 'bridge' and the realization that this was a place I could go where others believed in their abilities to dream a bridge to their world." The apparent impact of the World Dreams Peace Bridge on the online Bulletin Board was not the only "paranormal" result of participation in the online group, however. Shortly after joining the online conversation, Pam wrote: "Also, I wonder if anyone has noticed an increase in what I can only call psychic activity since being on the Bridge?" She told about a friend who had incubated a dream. Without knowing that the incubation was taking place, Pam said, "I had a dream which referred specifically to the question which I didn't know she was asking. My dream even included the first name and the last initial of the person she was asking the question about." In January, Bob wrote that he and his wife, Rita, both members of the Bridge community, had shared a dream, "But this is the first time we have ever dreamt directly related dreams at the same time," he said. "So, Jean, is that an oddity or what?" Or what, I had to reply, since I have seen this sort of mutual dreaming grow in any dream sharing group with which I've been involved. After a particularly amusing interchange in which Juhani telepathically picked up that the dog represented in one of Jody's dreams was the famous Belgian cartoon character Tintin, to which Jody replied that she was not only a Tintin lover, but was actually of Belgian descent, Juhani wrote. "Wow, what a surprise. Creepy. Tintin is kind of a Global Action Peace Maker. If we ever get trouble on the Bridge then comes his dog and saves us." It was Juhani who suggested I might change my name from Campbell to Dream-bell because, "You really gong-gong shake up people . :)" After a discussion in the group about dreams of Monarch butterflies, Yvonne eloquently summarized what seemed to be developing as the group's philosophy in a post from Mexico: "We, as collective souls, travel and 'migrate' to each other's consciousness. Some faster or deeper, some slower or superficially . "Butterflies do that: start as simple 'worms,' but suffer a metamorphosis until they are ready to share their beauty, touching each other's souls." "Oh, golly," Donna wrote one day in April, this world is so much stranger than I knew." And a day later, "Sometimes I think I could just live here on the Bridge and ponder everyone's dreams and all our synchronicities. But that doesn't do too much for my children." It might have occurred to me, when I was first creating the Bridge, that it would have a particular appeal to artists. People who regularly create new universes of meaning with words or paint or cameras might not see an insurmountable barrier in the notion of dreaming ourselves toward peace. Still, I was surprised to discover the artists who joined the group: several published authors, one of them winner of the coveted PEN New England award for fiction; poets; quilt makers; photographers. The World Dreams home page at Yahoogroups.com soon filled with art of all kinds which inspired further dreams and more art. Art like these wonderful tee shirts some members of the World Dreams Peace Bridge are wearing tonight, with a logo designed by Elizabeth Diaz. Profits from the sale of these shirts go, in part, to women in India and Afghanistan who are working to help their people. One of the most impressive artistic projects to grow out of the World Dreams Peace Bridge in the first year of its existence was a dance called "The Crow and the Phoenix," choreographed by Valley Reed and danced in April at the Cincinnati ASD Regional meeting. This event had an innocent beginning when Valley posted a dream to the World Dreams Peace Bridge group. She had spent the day making books with her six-year-old daughter, Valley said, and she thought we might enjoy the dream from which her book had been made. (It seems that Valley's daughter has an entire library of hand-crafted dream books.) The story Valley told was about a dream character, Annabella, whose best friend was her umbrella. Old Crow takes her to the underworld, where she almost forgets who she is until she is rescued by her umbrella and a friendly Phoenix, who helps her recover. It wasn't until one group member said this sounded like a dance that Jody mentioned she had already been in contact with members of the Cincinnati Ballet Company about the possibility of presenting a dream dance at the Regional. She wondered if they could use Valley's dream. No one in the group knew that Valley was herself a dancer who, at sixteen, had been tapped for the Dallas Ballet Company; or that the ensuing weeks, when Valley agreed to choreograph the dream and then dance the role of Annabella in Cincinnati, would be a transformative process which had several members of the Bridge group dancing in their dreams. The video tape of that dance is available for viewing here at the conference. I'd like to mention, as an aside, that the moderator of this panel, Cynnie Pearson, has called the activities of a group, in which images are passed between dreamers and between waking and dream life, arabesques. "The Crow and the Phoenix" was an arabesque with arabesques! Has the World Dreams Peace Bridge managed yet to bring peace to the world? Obviously not. Jeremy wrote late in April, "The dilemma that the conflicts in Palestine and India that you mention strike my soul as well against violence, and yet victim of it (The ways of violence on both side have begotten even greater amounts like two drunkards fighting in a ring, not even remembering who started it all, blaming the other entirely, one thousand percent!). At wit's end, I turn back to poetry." Nonetheless, the members of the Peace Bridge have attempted to attune themselves to peace. There has been an exchange of news and ideas from around the world. Sometimes I have heard breaking world news on the Bridge, given with a personal perspective, before hearing it from the media: the earthquake in Afghanistan and the recent assassination of Dutch political leader, Pim Fortuyn, for example. And the members of the World Dreams Peace Bridge have attempted to pay attention to their dreams as if their dreams were of some consequence in the world. In December, due to the possibly precognitive dream of one member of the Bridge, relating to terrorism, the World Dreams Peace Bridge held a week-long meditation specific to that event. One of the dilemmas of precognitive dreaming, as I have often pointed out, is that if it is possible to use dreams not only to see the future but to, apparently, *change* the future, then it is possible we may sometimes change a future without knowing it. We cannot really say that the terrorist act predicted by a powerful dreamer might *not* have taken place without the intervention of the Dream Bridge. We simply don't know. However, what members of the World Dreams group *have* done is to take seriously dreams which involve possible future violence, particularly if several people in the group seem to be having similar dreams. In the past few weeks, several dreams have been recorded on the Bridge, talking about possible terrorist attacks in the U.S. later in the summer. Rather than ignore these dreams, the members of the World Dreams Peace bridge have agreed to maintain a daily World Dreams Peace Vigil between the full moon of May and the full moon in June, a period which includes the Summer Solstice, traditionally a time of powerful energy. There is no particular form to this meditation, only that one concentrate on bringing peace into the world. We invite you to join us. And we invite you to join us online if you'd like. There are never too many people to dream of peace. Just send an e-mail to worlddreams-subscribe@yahoogroups.com. o|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|o Flying Through Science Fiction and Fantasy 2002 Linda Lane Magall¢n o|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|o Crossing the skies of Earth, dipping into an off-planet atmospheres or piercing the reaches of outer space, humans streak and bob throughout the annals of fantasy and science fiction. These are the amazing imaginary voyages through the universe that we, the readers and viewers, enjoy, while sitting on the side lines of these vicarious thrills. But where can we experience first-hand the sensation of soaring and floating like Superman? Simple. We can go on journeys out of our bodies and into the depths of our dreams. I've always found it fascinating how good fantasy and sci-fi stories mimic the activities of the flying dreamer. Perhaps their authors were fantastic dreamers themselves? Certainly, stories and illustrations make great dream inducers. If you read and view with the intent to inspire flight, you may well discover yourself aloft as you dream. For this sort of incubation, please put aside your serious literature and bring out your summer reading material instead. Paperbacks, comic strips or even children's picture books can fuel your sleepy-time flights. Okay, so how do you start? Well, by flipping through a comic book, you might discover that Captain Marvel derives his ability to fly from a chant. When Julie Evans and Ed Kellogg told me they use chants in their lucid dreams, I decided to try one, too. Mine was much less complicated than their rhymes, though. I stole it from the old Superman TV series. The chant, "Up, up and away!" got me off the ground. Superman style, streaking though the sky in a horizontal position, is the most popular mode of travel for the flying dreamer. TV, movies, videos and DVDs often feature this type of flight. However, it can be quite intimidating for a newbie to go so fast and so high. Sometimes I'm asked, "Does levitation count as flying?" Sure, it does! Hey, even Superman hovers like a helicopter. So, if your first flight is but 1 inch off your own bed, congratulate yourself. And if you haven't tried that style, I recommend it. It's great practice in dream control. In Randall Garrett's *Too Many Magicians,* Master Sean explains that unlike a static spell, which imposes a condition, levitation is a kinetic or moving spell requiring concentration, power and precision. Sean says, "Levitation causes a tremendous psychic drain; the spell can only be held for a matter of minutes." This reminds me of trying to hold onto a lucid dream. Or a flight in a lucid dream. Dream flying may not be a physical effort. But it sure exercises the mind muscles. However, I'd like to dis-spell another myth. You don't have to be lucid to fly. Arthur Dent, of *Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy* fame, first discovers he can fly while he's visiting another planet. Non-lucid dreaming is truly another planet! In *Life, The Universe And Everything* Arthur happens to be racing from an exploding volcano. Dreamers often fly to escape. The fight-or- flight reaction to fear is one of the most common reasons for becoming airborne. Personally, I applaud my non-lucid dream psyche for having the good sense to get me out of the reach of trouble, as quickly as possible. Later, in *So Long, And Thanks For All The Fish,* Arthur flies with his friend Ms. Fenchurch. Unless you're a sociable dreamer, like I am, to dream of flying with another is more rare than flying alone. But it becomes more usual for dreamers who take the time and effort to work through their nightmares and anxiety dreams. When you're not so caught up in your own problems, you can pay attention to fellow flyers. Zenna Henderson's "Francher kid" is descended from The People, survivors of a spaceship from another planet which crashed on Earth. He can dance in the air and make music without instruments. Dita, a full Earthling, is developing the same sort of talent. Flying doesn't mean you will always do it with grace. But, with practice, it can shift from an escape route to an art form. In order to get airborne, fantasy fiction often uses magic in the form of devices. Sparthera, the thief, finds a levitation charm in "Talisman" by Larry Niven and Dian Girard. Mary Poppins floats into her story by using the wind and an umbrella. On TV, an amulet she found in Egypt on an archaeological expedition, and worn in a headband, gave Andrea Thomas the power of the goddess Isis. With it, she could summon the "zephyr winds" in order to fly. Comic Super Heroes like devices, too. Dr. Strange's Cloak of Levitation allows him to drift through the air. Green Lantern flies from a power ring. It must be recharged every 24 hours at his namesake, the green lantern, which was made from extraterrestrial metal. The Fantastic Four got their super powers when they mutated after being exposed to cosmic radiation in outer space. Two of the Four gained flying abilities: the Human Torch and the Invisible Girl. The Invisible Girl can levitate and render herself invisible by force of mind. The Human Torch can turn his body into a living flame. Without such imaginative inspiration, it might not occur to us that, in dreams, we *don't* have to fly in a body that looks like its physical counterpart. But even when our dream bodies are clones of our waking bodies, the conveyors of flight are many. Dreamers fly in open-air space ships, in cars, in beds, in chairs, in inner tubes and, yes, in costume. Many flying comic heroes have appeared on television in cartoon form, which permits those unique types of flight not possible in waking life. Computer magic is swiftly catching up. But if drawings and virtual renderings are not to your taste, there are literal examples available. The techniques perfected on the physical stage (notably in the theater production of "Peter Pan") and on the silver screen (using a moving backdrop) allow you to empathize with live human beings. Such a TV series was the *Greatest American Hero,* which ran from 1981-83. Aliens in a UFO gave Ralph Hinkley a super suit to do the job. Unfortunately, he kept losing the instruction booklet for the suit and could never quite attain aerodynamic stability. Likewise, flying in dreams is not always an easy task. And just because you desire to have a flying dream doesn't mean you always can. In Ray Bradbury's *Dark Carnival,* Uncle Einar is a member of a family with psychic powers. When he flies into a high tension wire, Uncle Einar loses his ability to fly by night. It's not unusual for a flyer to encounter wires, cords, poles and other lines in the dream world and, yes, they can hinder flight. Like the knee-jerk reaction to fear, the perennial potential to fall and the difficulties in maneuvering aloft, obstructions along your flight path are Kryptonite Factors of dreamland. Experienced pilots know that obstacles and stormy weather can ground you. Temporarily. There's always time to try again tomorrow night. Fantasy uses magical means for flight or floats the fancy of emerging human psychic powers. On the other hand, science fiction tries to provide a grounded explanation of flight based on the known laws of the physical universe. Some sci-fi authors speculate that very light humanoids with enormous wings would be able to fly on a planet with high air pressure and low gravity. Writer Poul Anderson has carefully calculated the planetary specifics and anatomical details of such beings in his novels, *War Of The Wing-Men* and *The People of the Wind.* "Wings" by Vonda N. Mcintyre features compassionate flying men. An all-female race of sensual space-faring winged humanoids are found in Sandi Hall's *Wingwomen of Hera.* You may recall Flash Gordon's birdmen from movies or TV. Science fiction also hypothesizes that Terran humans might fly on such a planet, using metal wings. That's the premise of George R. R. Martin and Lisa Tuttle's *Windhaven.* With one-sixth Earth's gravity, wings could also be used on the Moon. In "The Menace From Earth" fifteen year-old Holly Jones flies in a volcanic bubble, two miles in diameter, that serves as the air storage tank for Luna City. Her wings are very similar to that of a metal bird and her process of flight, very much like that of a hang-glider ride. Hang-gliders and airplane pilots often report flying dreams, although, in the dream state, they tend to fly without any vehicle, like Supergirl. Or the improved version of Wonder Woman. Beyond planetary pull, gravity is nonexistent and no wings are necessary. In Spider and Jeanne Robinson's *Stardance,* Shara dances to music in the zero-gee environment of a space station as a camera catches her performance. Later Shara and her fellow stardancers don space suits so they can use the expressive aspects of dance to communicate with aliens. Finally, they are transferred into creatures who are able to dance in the infinity of outer space. Images of free-fall of outer space may lure us into the future, but there are quite practical reasons to fly, right now, here on Earth. In Robert Sheckley's "Carrier" a crippled newspaper boy has the ability to fly. Bed-ridden and handicapped folks have testified that flying helps compensate for their immobility. *The Boy Who Could Fly* is a movie that features an autistic mute. I know several people with mental problems who, nonetheless, can fly in their dreams. For everyone, dream flying can be a healthy vacation from the traumas and blahs of mundane life. So, why not take a vacation trip in your dreams? In "Mana From Heaven" by Roger Zelazny, Phoenix, the sorcerer, draws his powers to fly from a kind of cosmic dust brought to Earth by meteorites. Fairy dust from Never Land helps Wendy, John and Michael Darling to fly in the tale of *Peter Pan.* But you can do Peter one better. Put aside your dusty daily concerns. "Wonderful thoughts" are all that's needed to induce a flying dream before you go to sleep. Bibliography Adams, D. Life, The Universe And Everything. (New York: Simon & Schuster, Inc., 1982). Adams, D. So Long, And Thanks For All The Fish. (New York: Simon & Schuster, Inc., 1984). Barrie, J.M. Peter Pan. (New York: Charles Scribners Sons, 1911). Everett, F. (Ed.) Guide To Supernatural Fiction. (Kent, NY: Kent State University Press, 1983). Garrett, R. Too Many Magicians. (Garden City, NY: Doubleday and Co, 1967). Hall, S. Wingwomen of Hera. (San Francisco, CA: Spinster/Aunt Lute Book Co., 1987). Heinlein, R. "The Menace From Earth" in Asimov, I., Ed., Tomorrow's Children. (Garden City, NY: Doubleday and Co., 1966). Henderson, Z. Pilgrimage. (New York: Doubleday & Co., 1961). Holdstock, R. (Ed.). Encyclopedia of Science Fiction. (London: Octopus Books, Ltd., 1978). Martin, G.R.R. & Tuttle, L. Windhaven. (New York: Simon & Schuster, 1981). Mcintyre, V. N. "Wings" in Goldin, S., Ed. The Alien Condition. Niven, L. & Girard, D. "Talisman" in Niven, L., Ed., More Magic (New York: Berkley Books, 1984). Robinson, S. & Robinson, J. Stardance. (New York: The Dial Press, 1977). Rovin, J. The Encyclopedia of Superheroes. (New York: Facts on File Publications, 1985). Rovin, J. The Illustrated Book of Science Fiction and Dreams. (London: Hamlyn, 1977). Travers, M. L. Mary Poppins. Zelazny, R. "Mana From Heaven" in Niven, L., Ed., More Magic (New York: Berkley Books, 1984). =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= o|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|o Digital Dreaming Series: Article & Research Data: Computer Dreams Digital Dreaming Series #9a: DATA : Selected Dream entries from July 2001 to September 11, 2001 and #9b The Digital Archetype: Discussions from the C.G. Jung Bulletin Board. By Richard Catlett Wilkerson o|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|o ========================================================== 9a The Data and Research The Computer Dream Survey http://www.dreamgate.com/computers was started in 1999 and we have been collecting dreams about computers, the Internet and digital objects ever since. Generally the posts requesting dreams are pretty simple. Here is a sample: "Are you having dreams about robots, cyborgs, androids, Borgs, robots or animated machines? Are you having dreams of computers, programs that take on a life of their own, dream experiences with keyboards and monitors, printers or wires? How about dreams of the Internet, surfing, chatting, interacting with others or online bots? If so, we would like to have your digital dreams for our research project examining the shift in culture from man to machine, organic human to augmented humanoid, analog thinking to digitally mediated virtual reality." However, some requests have been worked in with more speculative and analytic papers, which are listed at the end of this article, and all are available online at the survey site. Listed below are the collections from July of 2001 through September 11, 2001. The 9-11 is such a strong psychological cleft in the collective consciousness, I thought this date would be an appropriate cut-off, through post 9-11 dreams are also going to be significant and I will publish those in a later article. Note that I am just listing the dreams here, without the extra survey information. The raw data is available upon request, and includes information such as age, sex, political beliefs, how participants spend time off and on the computer and other information, which you can get from looking at the survey. ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = I dreamt I was chatting in the chatroom I usually visit with the boy I usually meet there when I was suddenly with him in our own p2p world like a grassy plain nestled near a dark forest. I dream like I'm watching tv. I see myself disconnected and I was on the computer screen with him. It was so cool and I wasn't shocked in the least...what does this mean? ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = chat ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = resently, a few nights ago ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = Anonymous ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = dreams about computers, explaining programs and finding tasks difficult. The dreams are frustrating and I wake up feeling frustrated and upset. The characters in my dreams that I am explaining computers to, and who I am unable to explain them to, are the people I work with. Everything is in colour, but the atmosphere is sticky. The computers are old CTXs and slow. I am in the computer room I work in and I never see anybody I socialise with in these dreams, just my colleagues. ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = Frustrating Computer Dreams ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = For three weeks, practically every night ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = Elizabeth ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = Talking to aman with my brother present about which ISP he should use, me being more in tune with the internet that my older brother. ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = Internet Dream ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = A few days ago ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = Anonymous ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = I remember sitting at my computer, it seemed all very normal. For some reason my screensaver came on, even though I was surfing a Dave Matthews Band site. The screensaver was the blackhole one on the 60s theme of Win98. At first it was weird, the screen kept falling into the hole the screensaver made. Everything was pulled into a certain point that moved all around the screen. I felt my conscience get sucked into the blackhole and I remember reorienting myself onstage at a Dave Matthews concert. All fear aside I took up a guitar onstage. I remember pure satisfaction and joy when I started to play and get cheers from the crowd. Those feeliings multiplied a 100 times over when the whole band came out and we had one huge jam session. The dream ended as the jam ended. I woke up wide awake and still felt the satisfaction and joy. I've never had a dream so complete and vivid. ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = Dream Jam ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = in April 2001 ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = Rusty ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = I had a dream that I was already sleeping. I woke up and quickly jumped out of bed. I hurried to my computer, which I always leave on, and checked my email. I got a letter from someone special and was extremely happy. It's happened twice and the emails were from different people in each dream. It's weird but it's really the only computer dream I've ever had. ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = e-mail dreams ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = about a month ago ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = Anonymous ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = When i had this dream I was awake , it was like "the Matrix" last scene the green numbers and black background was all around me ...it seemed like a drem because was too real to be true my roommate had the same visions ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = The Matrix ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = 02/20001 ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = Anonymous ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = I am a lucid dreamer, and have had many dreams that I'm in a video game. I consider this like a computer dream because for all I know I could have been on CD rom in the game. Usually it's just like a normal life situation with real people and settings, but my goals are to avoid people chasing me, getting attacked by large bugs, or just to survive. One example would be when I drempt I was in this lady's house. It was a two story home and I was in the bedroom at the time. It was sort of old fashioned with pale pink coloring. I was trying to hide from the members of the house, particularly the mom and trying to get out. I was afraid of being caught, not necessarily of being there but because large wasps (bigger than my head buzzing outside the window) and scary plants (which were leafy, but the leaves were as rigid and sharp as razors) were outside. I escaped through a window on the second floor to join 3 other players. We had to avoid being stung, carnivorous plants and things. Our goal was to reach either the river to take us to freedom and the next level or to reach the safety of this large rock shrine surrounded by large stone tiling in a big circle and around that about a 3 foot stone wall. It was all light brown stone with deep carvings of things. This was like the escape, if we reached it, it would end the game. We all reached the river, but they were swept off struggling in the tides and I got scared and climbed to shore. More people after me still, the daughters of the house found me (the one had dark brown hair and in a white flowing night gown and younger than myself), so I started running to the stone monument. The hard part was that it turned into a giant sort of maze, not big around me, but I had to run along a certain path in order to get it to work and it kept turning and spinning on me. I was watching myself and her in a third person view at this time. The girl was as confused as I was and she was very upset with my progress of course. I finally reached the center and woke up. I think a lot of these types had to do with playing Maniac Mansion on Nintendo. The game was fun and challenging but it was scary at the time too. But now I equated my life with how I felt playing that game. Sometimes I dream I'm in my own house and I have to avoid obstacles for points, or obviously, if I get killed I only have so many lives, but my goal is to live and get the heck OUT of the game. So usually I have to run down the street to a certain point, but it's dificult to get there. I have a lot of dreams that I'm in a war too, and I have to survive and get rid of the enemy, but it seems to go in stages, one I was in a trench and the next I had to clear a train of enemies so I could ride to another area and that's pretty scary. That's usually only after I play Delta Force Land Warrior too many times. I hate these dreams though, I wake up and they seem so pointless, like I feel very unocomplished and wish I had a deeper more meaningful dream. Since the time of these dreams I have been on my own and going to College for Massage Therapy and so I must have overcome some of those obstacles my dream suggested. ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = My Life Is A Game ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = I'd say it's been about a year since the last one ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = Anonymous ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = A dream about computers? Or how about a dream of future films. Our movies today, how dramatic. Tomorrow our movies what will they be displaying then? The screen locks the mind, the thoughts. Technology advancements will show concentration, complete. A movie is a real dream. Its when you want to know how its all going to turn out. A movie displays yourself, all movies display what we want, what we are thinking. How about a movie from all of us, a pure movie of the mind, knowledge of One. What is this knowledge, it is always this anwser. You want to see a movie where everything is true to the exact point to where we are today, you will see this movie, after death. After complete where-abouts of yourself. Where are you? Its in the movie. Who is this 'love'? Its in the movie. Only watch the movie. The dream was one only in the future. It was a high tec, HIGH CONCENTRATED film. Nothing else existed but the truth of our movie. Our movie was of today, of our complete reality, our complete love. ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = This Was My Dream ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = 7-30-01 ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = Anonymous ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = i dreamt somebody was emailing very gross and discusting emails over the internet!! i couldn't stop them... one day they found out where i lived and murdered me ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = scary dream ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = last night ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = Anonymous ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = In my dreams, everything is in HTML code, there are no images except of this code, and there is no screen, it seems to be floating around me (in this case, "me" is just my consciousness, I dont actually see myself), on a white surface like there is nothing else behind it, the code comes in different colours: blue, light blue, yellow, pink, red, green, but most of it is dark blue. in my dream I seem to know that what Im seeing is the design of the page I ve been working on, and Im also making the code somehow... ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = suenhodeagua ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = all july 2001, alsmot daily ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = angelica ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = i was surfing the net and then everything become orange (color) then a flower bloomed from the monitor... and then it wrote u are hacked... hahaha.. ( laughing) this was really a dream.. but sometimes i really do not understand that it was really happenning or not!! for example while chatting, sometimes i read something and continue on that issue but the day after when i look at the history part there is nothing about that issue!!! i really do not understand.. ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = orange hack ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = 5 months ago ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = E.angel ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = once i was dreaming that i talk on ICQ with a friend of mine. i definitely remember some of the phrases which are of no significance, though. just a small talk. this and that. been there done that. but then suddenly i sat in my bed, fully awake, and stared into the black monitor of my computer and thought "how the HELL can i chat on ICQ when my comp is switched off?" and it happened three or for times in one night. i realized i dreamed the whole thing about ICQ but hell it was so GODDANM real! ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = talk on ICQ ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = several times ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = NIque ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = I dreamed I was sitting at my computer and flashes of light like a ligtening bolt went across the screen. ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = Lightening ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = month ago Tue, 7 Aug 2001 15:07:39 -0400 (EDT) ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = Anonymous ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = A while ago when I used to play counterstrike alot and then go to bed. I had a dream about playing the computer game. I thought that was pretty funny... At least it wasnt as if i was in the game and it wasnt scary... Um.. dont remember any details really... ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = Counterstrike ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = A while ago.... ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = BenJamer ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = The dream started out and I was at my old house, and my mom was like "Hank is missing" (hank is my brother). And she pointed to like, the backyard and it was like that's where he had been taken or something. So then all of a sudden he was back home and we were in our house that we live in now, but he wouldn't tell us where he had been. Then, I saw the place that Hank and a lot of other kids got taken to. It was very bright. (i didn't actually GO to the place, i just saw it in my mind in the dream or something) So then, Hank is missing again and I somehow knew of this message board where these people hung out and they were the people who knew about the place where the kids went. So i logged onto the message board and I started reading some of the messages to try to find out what was going on and then I got booted off the message board (haha). So then I was looking around my desk and i saw light blue floppy disks that had the label in the bottom ! right hand corner. Everything in my room was normal except for the floppies and well, getting booted from the message board was kind of odd, too. Then, after going to the bathroom to pee and drink some water (in my dream), I woke up. I was very very very scared when I woke up and I was worried someone was in my room and going to kill me. :\ ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = my brother is missing ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = a couple of days ago Thu, 9 Aug 2001 21 ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = Anonymous ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = my dream was with an older computer. i had flimed the switch on the moniter and an image of Jesus appeard to me. it seems as if he tried to converse with me. he tried to connect me with a dead loved one i belive. any idea what this means? -freaked out ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = the man upstairs ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = two nights ago - Fri, 10 Aug 2001 ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = Anonymous ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = I had a dream about the future of mankind. It was very interesting. The dream showed that computers would completely replace us someday. We would become obsolete. The computers could do everything we do, even reproduce. The dream was not disturbing, but it made sense in a weird way. I woke up wondering if the world would be more peaceful.Nation ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = Nation of Machinnes ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = about a year ago -2001 ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = nonymous ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = I dreamed I was using a computer to change the DNA inside an embryo. I felt very powerful because I knew how to make the embryo code for a mermaid. In the dream, my fiance was begging me not to do it. ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = Genetic manipulation: mermaid ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = January 2001 ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = Anonymous ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = I dream about the type of chat I do: graphical program called palace. In my real 'online' avatar collection, I use mermaids. In my dreams, I'm really in this universe as a mermaid. I change colors and shapes but I always have a tail. In the dreams, I don't know the ppl I chat with, and don't recall too clearly what we talk about. I'm usually just admiring my own form so much that I don't notice the other "avatars" or people. Everything else seems "normal" except that I know I am not really a mermaid. In the real chat program, everything is in 2-D, flat. In the dream, everything is 100% real, most of all, my actual mermaid body. I swim around in a swirl of shapes and colors, and am just plain fascinated with the way I can move. I've been chatting in palace as a mermaid now for years, and dreaming that it's real seems required. heheheh ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = Digital mermaid ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = recurring, mostly when I can't really chat. ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = Anonymous ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = I had a dream about just waking up in the middle of the night in my bed, and their right in my face was a monitor screen with a blue border just hovering just above my waist. On the screen was white words and symbols that were shooting down the screen like in the matrix but for some strange reason I my mind felt as though it knew what it was displaying and the information was directed right to me. ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = Hovering Screen ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = 9 months ago ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = Poysen ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = it was a dream whioch contained a various amount of boys which i hav fancied in the past along wiv the guy i'm currently besotted wiv. the guy i currently fancy i met on a school residential bout a month ago we did kiss and share beds and i miss him and hav bin thinking about him sinsce the residential.i havn't been intouch with this guy because he lives in america and i live in,london. however he was in my dream last night and he was in bed with me and the other guys that i had previously fancied were sitting in the same hotel room where me and i guy i currently like were in bed together and they weren't saying or doing anything just sitting there surrounding me and the guy i was in bed with whilst we were kissing passionatelt ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = romance being watched over ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = yesterday 16/08/01 ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = suki ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = Someday I dream about I was in future 25 years ahead in a school. I was pushed to that time or was beeing sleeping till there. Simple building, all natural, with wooden chair and desks, but we used watches with microprocessor and a polymer pad that simulates a desktop and monitor. It rolls in watch as a button when we close it. ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = 25 years in future with a watch computer ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = in beginning of this year maybe february ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = Ayorius ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = I once dreamed I was in a game of StarCraft. I still controlled the game but as a general would his troops, issuing orders to individuals. We were Protoss, or at least they were. I'm not certain what I was to them, an entity to be obeyed unquestionably. We won the battle against the Zerg. Recalling the scenario, they had the high ground, an excellent tachtical advantage. They also outnumbered us, three broods to my one army. Perhaps it's because my almost omnipotent role, being able to look at the battle from a far and zoom in on individual troops, that won us the battle. I don't recall 'feeling' anything. Just a sence that I must win and loose as little as possible. ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = StarCraft ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = Midday, a years ago. ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = Anonymous ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = As a fragment of a larger dream, I picked up a TV remote control. I noticed a small video screen at the top, like a calculator. I pushed one of the buttons and the remote unfolded into a small computer, with arms and sections of keyboard and screen sliding out from the back. I realized that some unidentified secret admirer (sort of a stalker, but not really scary) had come into my apartment and modified the remote into a computer. I was annoyed that my space had been invaded, yet excited about the remote/computer, because it was really a nifty little gadget. Japanese anime-porn began scrolling across the screen, which I found a little distasteful, since my stalker had put it there, yet it was titillating, too. ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = Remote Control/Computer ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = about 4 months ago ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = Noel ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = Am dreaming that I am trying to go to sleep but can't until I shut down the computer. It keeps telling me that the system is busy and can't end task/shut down. I "push any key" to return and am very very tired and want to go to sleep....but it never will let me shut it down. ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = can't log off ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = month or so ago... ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = kim ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = The dream consisted of me attempting to program a glass of milk in a reality form. My methods of doing this were not clear. All I remember pondering about the program was would the milk return a value or be a void() function. I woke up screaming and in tears and sweat. ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = void or return ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = around 3 years ago ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = Anonymous ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = dear sir i have a big dream to learn c as a language i don't know any programing language i would like to learn the c language i tried to learn it i bought the visual c++ i find explain the language in english a little hard for me but i tried but i failed can u help me i need need need very much to learn this programing language help me please ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = c/c++ visual c++ ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = a long time ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = hassan ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = I was sucked inside the monitor.I went into the molecular level and traveled out into space,among the stars.i couldnt find my star again. I was lost in space,drifting. ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = the computer sucks ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = after eating a peyote button last night ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = Anonymous ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = I dreamt that I was talking to "my grandfather" on tha computer. And he spoke in native american language, he spoke in oglala lakota. Which is not the tribe that we are from, and I dont speak it, but I understood what he was saying to me though. He told me in lakota to beware of certain white people. ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = lakota ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = about a month ago ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = Anonymous ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = I recently dreamt that I was swiming underwater in a very dark,remote lake.I was swiming alone in the very early hours of the A.M. I kept seeming to notice some sort of illumination coming from deeper sections of the lake.As I would swim deeper in the lake to investigate I would absolutely loose my sense of direction,not knowing if I were going up, or down?I began to panic thinking I could very possibly drown. In my hysterical,confused state I began to swim towards a flourescent,soft light.As i eventually arrived at the light I discovered that the face of Yoda from STAR WARS on a monitor.Yoda was trying to explain to me the conection between the ancient sumarians and aliens???? ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = union-carbide reunion ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = 9-4-01 {9:45 A.M.} ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = Phil Van fleet ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = "Before I went to sleep I had thoughts about the waste of time sitting at the computer during graduate school." I dreamt that I was at my computer working on my master's thesis and I lost a very important piece of work, chapter 6. This chapter being the synthesis of all my research. I was in a total panic. I kept searching in different places and it would not come up. Suddenly my screen turned into this panoramic view of a mountain and valley. I entered the screen. I was somewhere in Europe and in another time. I headed toward town. I was on a dusty dirt road. I knew this place! I became excited, the learning center was here! I began to run down the street asking the citizens "Where is the learning center?" I came upon the learning center, which had giant red-clay pillars out in front. ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = Learning Center ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = 1993 ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = DreamTime ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = I had a dream that I walked in to my boyfriends office and saw a scripture from the Bible in big bold flashing letters on his Desk Top. It said 1st Corinthians ch.6. When I woke up I looked up the scripture and it seemed to be bit of advise for some issues that were going on at that time in real life. ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = Flashing Message ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = one month ago. ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = Josie ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = I can hear high pitched frequencies, mind you, I don't dream, haven't for years (they say it's dangerous, and can make you schizophrenic or some other such nonsense). I do however sometimes have a sort of daydream when I'm waking up, my imagination sort of run's away with itself (damn it for having an affair with itself!!) and I have the closest thing to a dream as I can get. So, the reason I told you I can hear high pitched frequencies. One night I'd gone to bed and left my PC on, well, later that night I woke up, and as I was waking up my little not a dream occurred. I was in a building and I heard this piercing sound, but no matter how well I covered my ears I could still hear it. It was MADDENING, and nothing could make it stop. The building was grey and dark, and there wasn't another soul for miles. A few of the windows were broken I think, and I began to run. The noise was an alarm of some sort, something of a warning. It had something to do with computers, IN the not a dream. Something about crashing, and their were computers in an office that I ran by. I came completely out of it when my feet slipped on the railing and i fell hard on my behind. Note, I have a VERY strong imagination! If I imagine falling, or flying, or moving my body will jerk, violently sometimes. It's even happened during day-dreams at school. If I imagine say...punching someone (I box), my arm will jerk. So I woke up and the noise was coming from computer. I'd never noticed it before since I usually have music playing when I'm at my PC. I just thought it was interesting. I'd heard of people dreaming their alarm clock was a phone or something else, but I didn't think this would happen in something that wasn't even a dream. ::shrugs:: Perhaps not dreaming does something to oneself after all. ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = The not a dream dream ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = Um...a long time ago ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = Amberlay ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = I dream that my consciousness is like an operating system and applications (like Word, Excel, etc., are like states of mind or ways of dealing with outer reality. Most people use Microsoft Word but there are many programs available to use. They are ways of experiencing the world. Comments: I have variations of this dream frequently. ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = Mind As Operating System ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = 2001 ----------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = I often dream about downloading & saving files, but in dreams, such things are often difficult... Not quite nightmares, but close... ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = File: Frustration ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = often ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = Anonymous ---------------------------------------------------- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ You can participate by posting your computer related dreams at: http://www.dreamgate.com/computers References: Wilkerson, Richard Catlett (1999 August). Research Request: Computer's in Dreams : Pre and Post Internet Perceptions. Electric Dreams & Part I Pre-Net. Electric Dreams 6(8). Wilkerson, Richard Catlett (2000 March). Digital Dreams: The changing (inter)face of dreams in the twenty-first century. Electric Dreams 7(3). Wilkerson, Richard Catlett (2000 July). Digital Dreaming Series: Computer Dreams II : The changing (inter)face of dream texts. Electric Dreams 7(7). Wilkerson, Richard Catlett (2000 November). Digital Dreaming Series: Computer Dreams III :: The Digital Shift in Culture. Electric Dreams 7(11). Wilkerson, Richard Catlett (2001 January). Digital Dreaming Series: Computer Dreams IV :: Dream Code and Decoded Flows. Electric Dreams 8(1). Wilkerson, Richard Catlett (2001 May). Digital Dreaming Series: Computer Dreams V :: Emergence of Digital Imagery in Analog Dreamers. Electric Dreams 8(5). Wilkerson, Richard Catlett (2001 June). Digital Dreaming Series: Computer Dreams VI :: Digital Dreaming: Emergence or Replacement Imagery? Electric Dreams 8(6). Wilkerson, Richard Catlett (2001 August). Digital Dreaming Series: Digital Dreaming Research Project: Project Goals and Considerations. Electric Dreams 8(9). Wilkerson, Richard Catlett (2001 August). Digital Dreaming Series: (7b) Digital Dreams from March 2001 through April 2001. Electric Dreams 8(9). Wilkerson, Richard Catlett (2002 March). Digital Dreaming Series (8a): Data: Dreams from April 2001 to June 2001. Electric Dreams 9(4). Wilkerson, Richard Catlett (2002 March). Digital Dreaming Series (8b): Uses of Computer Dreams as Personal and Cultural Meaning Maps. Electric Dreams ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ # 9b The Digital Archetype: Discussions from the C.G. Jung Bulletin Board. - Richard Wilkerson Various myths and gods have been suggested as a way to understand the archetype that most deeply informs the emerging new paradigms brought out by the Internet. Robert Bosnak has suggested Mercury, not only for his relations with commerce and communications, but also his somewhat adolescent, boy-like qualities, which were the first large group of people to start surfing the Net. My general intuition is that the digital archetype is a newcomer, or a emerging archetype that has shown up here and there in history, but generally has been lying dormant. Initially I considered a god like Janus or other two-faced gods, but this doesn't really get at my intuition of the digital revolution. Yes, it is dual, but not really on and off, rather opposed faces. Also, there is for me something beyond the discrete on-off that has become essential, which I will address in a moment. Still, the digital vs analog issue needs to be addressed. The reason binary works so well in computer chips is that we can assign a value to nothing or off (=0) and assign a value to something or on (=1). Theoretically this forces the universe, at the level of the chip, into discreet rather than continuous parts. True, we can build up to a point where things become continuous again, but unlike our natural view of the world, we start now with the *abstract* and build towards the *concrete*. There is no reason I can see to theoretically exclude abstractness from archetypal, (see for example Hillman's discussions of the distance of Apollo) but I think that it might be better to see abstractness, mathematics, geometry, grid-thinking as included a little in every archetype's pantheon. Apollo has his own style of abstractness, and Hephestos (tools) has his, and even Venus has hers (love of generality), and so on. In this sense, abstractness is a grid- thinking, grid-acting part or aspect of all reality, limited as it is. But when we come to the point where our egos are stripped silly by the experience of abstract binary networks, its is here were the abstract becomes unlimited and we come up against the archetypal core and encounter something which I have yet to hear anybody name, there is just shaking and trembling. What shakes out is the new archetype's pantheon of sub-gods, demons, satyrs, saints and minions which are more visible and approachable. Here I see generally the unique realm of the digital *virtual*. Virtual? Lets make this simple first. You and I decide to play tic-tac-toe without a board, just in our minds. We can do this by agreeing on the same protocol, calling the rows 1-3 and the columns a-c. We play in virtual space. In fact, it could be said that the virtual exists where any distributed set of rules can interact. And we don't even have to have all the rules be the same. The Catholic Church creates an immense virtual reality, a realm in which people can immerse themselves in a kind of shared- imaginary. Once seen this way, we can see that the virtual is a kind of mutual imagination that exists everywhere. With computers, we simply have a computer mediated virtual reality. But there is something a little different . So let's assume for a moment that the digital virtual is this new archetypes realm. (or the digital virtual realm is a sub-realm of the god/dess of Virtuality) . Taking a quick tour of this realm I see: -- The original and the model coincide like they never have before. With other gods, the birth of these children give to the universe, for better or worse, something new. In the virtual digital world, everything is based on digital discreetness and therefore duplicatable down to the last byte. Hence this Deity shakes up and puts fear into capital enterprises that are based on duplication and its control - as we have seen in the music and movie industry. There is no difference between child one and child one million and one. -- For humans, bless our lost souls, this means we will be spending more and more time with models of reality rather than reality itself. This has already happened in fact, as I'm sure someone will call me on this and say "What do you mean by reality?" We no longer can agree on this, its lost, distributed across the globe so that each individual must decide for him/herself. But the self has itself become divided, seen as polyvocal, heterogeneous, a swarm of identities, many of which contradict and conflict with one another. It takes tens of thousands of dollars per person to get them through analysis and resuscitate an alignment with the Self. And so each person has multiple realities as well. Like a fractal bomb, the division of the self into multiplicities is accelerating towards the speed of light. Soon speed itself will become a value and the society will spin into orbit. It already has in many sectors, as we can see in the global economic restructuring that is laying old empires to rest and replacing them overnight with free market competition. No reason to morn the loss of humankind, the Virtual god loves this. Money is abstract and turns all values from quality to quantity. Everything is valued according to its market value. Libido is stripped from the tribe, from the family, from the king, the pharaoh, the gods, the soul and recoded on the back of capital. Once abstract, it can flow in digitally mediated reality. I don't want to sound like this is a Marxist critique. This capital stripping of values means I don't have to do what my father did, and I don't have to believe what my family believes and I don't have to worship the gods my city worships. My point is rather that this Virtual archetype, this Digital Deity, will be gathering up the pieces torn asunder and re-distributing them across a new horizon, one that is going to look quite different than the world we were used to. In this sense, Jungians and dreamworkers are in the right place as the right time to take on the new tasks of living in virtual reality. It will be more like a dream world. Object and subject will collapse and everything, everything, will be interactive. Just as all parts of the dream may be seen as parts of our Self, or self, all parts of the new digitally mediated world will be parts of selves as well. Don't be fooled by watching the news and hearing how the society can control the Internet. Napster was an archaic attempt that had one foot in the digital virtual and one foot in the old regime. As long as there is one foot in the old regime, it can be cut off. The new paradigm will be more like Gnutella based programs that exist *only* in cyberspace, doing what they do with little recourse to any particular computer, any particular person, any particular group. And this is a key point of the new archetype, that there is a distribution, an explosion, an infection, a deployment, an unchecked reproduction of binary machines that have no functional connection to biologically based life what-so-ever. From a Jungian point of view, we might say that not only have signs won out against the symbolic, but now no longer need the creatures that gave birth to them. The swarm of signs that were originally produced by the earth, by the societies that rose up out of the earth and on the earth, have now reached such a velocity that they have taken orbit above and beyond the human. Again, we panic as body, flesh & blood based creatures. This is almost like a taboo that we cannot look directly at. But then one could never look directly at the core of an archetype and survive. But lets assume that the Self does know, and not only ~looks~ directly at the core, but continually ~aligns~ the core of the Digital Virtual archetype, along with all the others, to itself. And if so, that our dreams are continually playing with this digital evolution. It is interesting to me that computer dreams ~don't~ seem to follow the statistical pattern of traditional machine dreams. Content analysis of dreams shows that we typically have problems with machines in dreams. For all that machines have done in raising our standard of living, one would think we could be more grateful. But this isn't so, and we can't get our cars to steer right, our brakes to work, our phones to connect to the right people, our light switches to work. It's as if there were some kind of basic antagonism between what the dream-ego expects and the real path of the dream when it's about machines. Perhaps as Jung is often quoted as saying, we just went too far, too fast in developing our tools for controlling the outer world, and there is some kind of immense inner compensation that occurs in dreams. And yet, with computer dreams, one just doesn't see the incidence of conflict that occurs in machines in general. Oh, they are there, and they are regular, but far less than other machines, and far less than machines that work so much better than computers! The tendency with computer dreams is to see them as a vehicle for transport and communication, as a fellow being with an identity, as a screen through which we might change dimensions. And so, in terms of the big picture and the archetypal pressures and forces at work with humans and the digital virtual revolution, I almost want to align myself with the odd ball UFO groups that see, (on a symbolic level anyway) that *something* big is about to happen to mankind. I almost want to take up with the digital elite that see the whole world, even material world, as code, and once de-coded, converted into digital format. I almost want to join with the cyber-enthusiasts that see the economy shifting from real-estate to virtual-economy. Almost. I sure thought that the cyber-feast would continue thought 2004 and I got caught sort when it didn't. Things don't evolve smoothly, but more in discontinuous leaps, both forward and back. The time-table now for the full ascendancy of the Digital Virtual deity is pushed back for me by decades, many centuries, from where it was for me in 1999. And as Jung has pointed out, there are some problems with signs, and therefore with abstractions, and discrete quanta. They tend to be soulless, to be a bi-directional item that points to something beyond themselves on one hand, and are motivated by where they came from on the other. They don't care much about us, and they have their own destinies. Much like the replicants in the movie "Blade Runner". The androids looked and acted like humans, but they admitted that they had other plans; to live in places humans had no interest or possibility of living, and of creating things beyond which humans had no interest or possibility of creating. It's not at all clear to me where my own alignment is. Stick with flesh-based, slow brain thinking that is very muddy, or upload myself into android with a quantum brain or network of virtual identities and take part in the birth of a new paradigm? In my dreams, my computers are replacing other objects. And so too this is occurring in the general populous. Just as cars replaced horse and buggies statistically in dream imagery, the digital objects will replace objects with which we have less attention and time. What is the dream saying to us through and about these new objects and the digital revolution? I don't have an answer that deeply satisfies me yet, either personally or for the large culture. This is all part of the continuing study of dreams and computers, but also the continuing struggle to keep the human as an important model, if not an important concrete reality, in the virtual realm. --------------------- Notes: 1. Re: computer dream statistics: these are just my eyeball view of the stats and gross over-generalizations - see the raw data for your own conclusions. See http://dreamgate.com/dream/computers/about.htm 2. I was just kind of thinking out loud, and so ravished many people's ideas. I wanted to include here some of these: Carl Jung, Sigmund Freud, Gilles Deleuze, Felix Guattari, Jean Baudrillard, Ray Kurzweil, Henry Bergson, Stephen Aizenstat, Jayne Gackenbach, G. W. Domhoff, Patrica Garfield, Robert Bosnak. =========================================================== <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< Where is the Global Dreaming News? Now at the beginning of Electric Dreams! <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ** DREAMS ** DREAMS ** DREAMS ** DREAMS ** DREAMS ** DREAMS +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ New Series begins with dream-flow@egroup.com Digest #1 09/29/2000 This issue includes volume #468 - #502 Hello and welcome to the DREAM SECTION of Electric Dreams. This section is edited by Elizabeth Westlake and the DreamEditor, a software creation of Harry Bosma, author of the Dream interpretation and journaling software "Alchera". (homepage: http://mythwell.com) Please note that we print these dreams as they come to us and that means we do not correct the spelling. Some dreamworkers find these spelling mistakes a great window on the dream and dreamer. The Electric Dreams DREAM SECTION includes dreams and comments from the DREAM FLOW, a project to circulate dreams in Cyberspace. 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An Archive of dream-flow is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/dream-flow@egroups.com/ Pre-November 2000: http://www.mail-archive.com/dream-flow@lists.best.com/ Pre-November 1998 http://www.mail-archive.com/ed-core@lists.best.com/ Pre-April 1990 Use Electric Dreams Backissues http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/ed-backissues __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 468-001 Subject: (unknown) Hi. My name is [name removed] and my boyfriend wanted me to find out about a dream he had. He had a dream that I smiled at him and my teeth were falling out. Most of them were gone and the others were crumbling out of my mouth. Please write me back and tell me what this means. Thank you. [name removed] comments: 469-001, 469-002 __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 468-002 #ed.note: message removed non-dream post# __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 468-003 #ed.note: message removed non-dream post# __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 468-004 Subject: Sea of waterlike energy dream_title: Sea of waterlike energy dream_date: june 151997 dream_text: Looking at a Sea of waterlike energy while on a cliff. A Aquatic Humanoid stands beside me and tells me to dive in. Once doven in I see aquatic creatures of past and present, when I sight a Black Sphere in a cluster of coral. I come to the surface where he awaited me. I was dry and laid the coallike sphere on the gagged ground before the Aquarian. The object levitated and burst into a electic rage all of which absorbed into me and filled me with a strange power that I could not control yet. Four more did apear Around me one of fire, wind ,water, and one of white light all of which I at 22 years of age can't explain to this day. dream_comments: All I ask is an explination to my dream if at all possible comments: 469-003 __________________________________________________________________ ____ Message: 469-001 [468-001] Subject: Re: (unknown) I have heard (but I don't remember where) that dreams of teeth falling out can signify a feeling of loss of control, but this usually refers to the dreamers own teeth. Don't know if that helps any, but that's what I know about the subject. __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 469-002 [468-001] Subject: comment on the teeth dream I have had some dreams myself that are like the one your boyfriend had, [name removed], but I always interpreted them as being a simple fear that is being repressed or maybe just isn't being confronted the way it should be. I think that maybe the fact that your teeth fell out in the dream were that maybe your boyfriend is worried about a personal habit of yours that he's afraid might have long term effect on you, like biting your lip or something, and he's afraid to talk to you about it. It could also be something silly. Maybe that day you ate a lot of candy or drank a lot of soda and in the back of his head he was a little nervous but in his conscious mind he didn't think anything of it. Dreams are very strange, and the set meanings to parts in dreams sometimes don't apply. It all depends on the dreamer and what caused the dream. [name removed] __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 469-003 [468-004] Subject: Re: Sea of waterlike energy It is common dream lore that water means life, or new life. The black sphere could have been something good or bad, because dreams tend to go "opposites" on you at times, but either way I think it may have been some kind of premonition, or warning. I myself have a tendency to dream something and then it happens, but I believe that when a person premonizes, they're either comforting themselves or warning themselves. A woman who premonized about a rather memorable train wreck told me once that the psychic part of the brain we all have, but whether or not we use it is what makes a person a psychic. I think your dream meant that at some point in your life, you're going to have a change, perhaps where you will be in a position of "power". I'd imagine you'd probably get a major promotion at work, but then again I don't know you, it could be something completely different. But what the dream was trying to tell you was that no matter how good that power feels, don't let it consume you, otherwise you might abuse it. Abused power can result in a lot of pain and conflict, and eventually the abuser gets what's coming to them. I think your dream was comforting you because you may have been at a weak point in your life, but at the same time it was warning you. [name removed] __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 470-001 Subject: Yosemite Sam and the demon girl dream_title: Yosemite Sam and the demon girl dream_date: 1998 dream_text: I am sleeping in my room during a thunderstorm. A girl breaks through my window with a knife saying I'm going to die. The thing that really scared me was that she was half-girl half-bloody skeleton! All of a sudden Yosemite Sam jumps up from under my bed and scares her away! dream_comments: I woke up screaming and crying. I was six at the time and I still remember it. Comments: 470-003, 472-004 __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 470-002 #ed.note: message removed non-dream post# __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 470-003 [470-001] Subject: Re: Yosemite Sam and the demon girl You know, I dreamed something like that last year. I was in bed in the dream, thinking I was awake, and I was moaning about a guy I liked, when this really short dwarf-like man in armor threw a dagger at me and it hit the board on the bed right above my head. He was very angry and I think he was yelling something about my future that might have involved the apocalypse but all I remember about what he said was that it was something I didn't believe in. While he was yelling, a robot strongly resembling R2D2 walked up behind him and was nidding in agreement that he should kill me or something. Then right behind him came this person who I think was a man and he resembled a Buddist monk. The monk agreed with the dwarfman too but it seemed like he was in a way trying to help me, like he was stalling the dwarf for a while. Then the monk led all of us into a room full of television security monitors, and the monitors were showing my previous dream that night. That particular part that we walked in on was me dancing like an absolute moron. The Buddist monk guy said, "Look, there's [name removed] 'shaking it' ". After I sat down to watch whatever was on these monitors, suddenly I forced to glance at the dwarf, as if it were against my will, mind control or something. I don't remember much else about that dream except that on the way to the room with the monitors, we passed an island party with women in bikinis. I suddenly felt a strange urge to dance with the women, but when I did the Buddist monk grabbed my arm and yanked me away so fast it felt like it were real. It was really weird. I just thought I'd share that with you because your dream seemed to strike a cord and remind me of this one in spring 2001. __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 470-004 Subject: roaches dream_title: roaches dream_date: 5/17/02 dream_text: I keep dreaming that I put a bunch of seeds in a glass jar with water. After about a half an hour on my clock in my dream, the seeds turn into roaches and i put a book over the jar's top because i'm afraid that all the roaches will come out of the jar. Finally i put the whole jar in the garbage and throw it away. dream_comments: What does this mean? __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 470-005 Subject: The Collapse dream_title: The Collapse dream_date: October 1998 dream_text: The first part of the dream was more vague as to my exact activities and the characters. I was at a church meeting where some of the elders were trying to get me out, it was clear they wanted to shut me up. I was threatening to the leader, an evil man. I was trying to expose him for what he was. There was a young woman also involved helping me. The focus shifted and I became aware that all of earth's systems both man-made and natural were collapsing, implosions. The sky had gone dark as night. I recall looking at the sky and feeling shock and a lump of fear in my throat as I looked around me and wondered what to do. I felt awe, fear and panic at the realization of the things around me, those things that I relied upon were falling apart. I decided to go to LC & JC's to be with them. [this family in reality live in a very rural, primative area of the country] I went to a house [not known in real life], up a long stairway to an apartment and set to work to quickly gather some things together for the move. The house was old, the stairway long, steep and narrow as so many of these old style houses have. I felt a strong urgency to leave, unsafe and vulnerable. I urged others to join with me to strengthen, encourage and support each other. There was a man in this upstairs area who was close to but not yet retired laborer. He seemed closed off, tired and cynical in his own world. He wore a muscle shirt over his pop belly along with his tan twill pants for work. He sat in his recliner, remote control in hand watching TV. He would not respond to me, or acknowledge a word I said even though I tried to explain to him what was happening. He remained untouched by the declaration that all systems were failing. He was content to watch TV and obviously intended staying where he was. I left down the stairs, letting him go, respecting his choice. I had no more time to spend convincing him although I felt pangs of sadness about him but glad there were others with me. The dream ended with me closing the door to the man. dream_comments: A very powerful dream. It struck terror in my heart and still influences how I think and feel about the world events. __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 470-006 Subject: plane crash and flooding dream_title: plane crash and flooding dream_date: 18/19 May 2002 dream_text: In a small plane and I remember seeing lots of deep green trees below me. The pilot turns around and says we need to make an emergancy landing. I look at the trees and think there is nowhere to land. Just as we are about to crash and i start to panic a clearing on a beach turns up and we land safety in Hawahi (i am from southwest england). Next thing I know is I am making a chicken salad for someone in a beach bar with not much on and my friends brither walks in. My boss is also there. FLOODS- Running away from the floods trying to get high ground. My boyfriends says he knows a short cut but i dont trust him and say we should stick we the others. My antie is with me and she is drubk so I feel the need to look after her more. dream_comments: My dreams are always really vivid. I can also go back to sleep and go back into the same dream.I am soon going travelling for a year with my partner. I have been with him for 12 years. I am 25 he is 28. __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 470-007 Subject: senior prom dance dream_date: 5-20-02 dream_text: I was in my senior prom dance and i went without a date and all my friends were there with their dates. but i was happy and i felt pretty. then this boy who i've liked since junior year comes up to me telling me that he loved me since senior year started. i told him i liked him since junior year. then he told me there was a problem that he had a prom date already and i walked away to tell my friend what happened. then she told me to just wait. then i turned around and he was there. he told me he left the other girl for me and that he loved me. but then i walked away from him. dream_comments: I'm a junior now. __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 470-008 Subject: Bad dream dream_title: Bad dream dream_date: 5-4-2002 dream_text: I was in a school with the girl from Alex Mack adn the black girl who is on her show and they were detectives, but suddenly they disappeared. So then I was a detec. and I started looking through these halls. Then I saw one that had I HAVE SINNED written all over the wall in blood. Than I though to myself that I'm in a dream and if I go down that hall I'll get caught in a bad dream. So I turned around and went to other halls that were painted green, and was peeling. The halls were lined with doors that had a bright shining light coming from within so I couldn't see inside of them. Then I was with my mom at some museum kinda place and it was christmas. Than I was with my brother [name removed] fishing on a bridge and I caught a fish and he was helping my reel it in. I remember feeling as if it was still christmas. Than I was with this white woman and this black man cooking ham. Than my mom came to get me and when we got outside we looked up at the sky and it was pink and gray in one place and it was lightning. End of Dream. dream_comments: I have no idea what this means. __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 470-009 Subject: Afraid to Fall dream_title: Afraid to Fall dream_date: 05/19/02 dreamer_name: Danielle Marie dream_text: I dream I am on the second level of a place like the mall...Everythings fine until it's time to go down the escaltor...then I freak out. I can't go down, I am scared. I try to go away from the escaltor but something is holding me to stand right where I am. The glass barriers surrounding the walkway aren't there anymore, and the paths are getting narrow. I try to walk into a store but I can't. Something still won't let me. I always end up laying down or sitting, I guess I feel like I have better chances of not falling, then I wake up. dream_comments: I am not afraid of escaltors in real life. This has been a dream I have had for years now. Please use the name I put above...thanks __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 470-010 Subject: Dying in a collapsing building dream_title: Dying in a collapsing building dream_date: May 14, 2002 dream_text: I was in, and walking through a large heavily structured white building with lots of architecture. Someone was next to me but I couldn't see their face. I noticed that one of the beams that support a wall was coming loose and someone else touched it and pulled at it. The entire building became weak and began a soft, low rumble - it was in the stage of total collapse. I looked at the ceiling which was huge, white and rounded, and shifting because of the weight of the struture becoming weak. We ran down stairs to try to escape the building. My heart yearned out for my husband and my daughter which were not with me and I didn't know where they were. I knew I would never see them again as I waited impending death in moments to come. Parts of it were already crumbling down. We got to the bottom level and stood in the center of the room realizing that there was no longer any hope for escape - death was inevidable. The person next to me got on the floor on their knees with their back to the cieling, I did the same thing for less impact when the heavy white ceiling would fall on me. I anticipated if I would feel any pain while the heavy ceiling came down on me. In my last few seconds of life I cried out in a loud voice in my mind "[name removed] I love you", "[name removed] I love you", God please receive me and forgive me. There were all kinds of low rumbling sounds heard from the building's beginning of final collapse. In my last few seconds I wondered if I would feel the sudden impact of the weight of the building crushing the life out of me or if it would be so instantaneous that I would not feel a thing? Then there was an eary silence, and unkowing. I asked the person next to me "are we dead"? They said yes. I got up with a feeling of "it's over - my life as I knew it is over - it's all gone - everyone I love and that was a part of me is gone". I had a feeling of cold emptyness inside and a feeling of abandonment, and a question, what do I do now? dream_comments: I welcome any insight. I think I have figured out parts to this dream but I need more information to complete it. Thanks! __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 470-011 Subject: Constantly searching dream_title: Constantly searching dream_date: often over past few years dream_text: I've had this dream over and over again.... the only thing that changes is the building i'm in.... I'm in a large building, could be a college or multi story office building... I keep running searching for something... i do not know what i'm looking for but my pace takes me through all sorts of hallways, doorways, cubbie holes, stairways going up and down... when there is an elevator it's the really old type with the sliding mesh door... but i never find what i'm looking for... there are others in the dream - i don't really know them but sense them to be friendly... sometimes i run outside to the exterior of the building but re-enter only to find myself in another maze.I do not find myself to be afraid or even out of breath from my searches... just lost. dream_comments: I've had this or like dreams, on and off, for the past 3 to 4 years... i've never been able to figure out what it meant. __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 472-001 Subject: The Frame dream_title: The Frame dream_date: 1989 - present (2002) dreamer_name: Vox Angelis dream_text: [1989] - I am standing in almost total damp darkness in either a stadium sized room or outside. there are no sounds. before me theres an old victorian picture frame barely visible. it is about 7 feet tall and its top is tilted away from me. i cant see what is beyond the frame but whatever it is it wants me to go through. i dont even know if there is any ''ground'' on the other side. [1993] - this is my fifth visit to the ''frame'' and each time its becoming more vivid. attention to detail is an understatement as i have now become aware that im dreaming the moment i see the frame. the ground beneath me has tipped toward the frame like a ''gravity wagon'' and although before i could stop myself from sliding through the frame by grabbing its left side, the frame has become too wide. it is clearly a gold flaked old elegant frame that is chipped all over. i used to be able to wake myself from the dream the moment i saw the frame, but its getting harder and harder to wake. [2001] - the frame has adapted quite well to my balking its calling. the absence of the bottom of the frame now is only making an easier task for the invisible formless hands to ''pull through'' me to get me to enter the frame. i keep thinking while i fight that this is only a dream and i should go through the damn frame so i can end this nightmare, but the terror i encounter is paralyzing me now from thought based action. i now am scurrying for my life AWAY from the frame while i fight to wake up. my fear is at the same level as a perpetual ''shock value'' of the monsters that make you jump at the theater. imagine feeling that moment of psychotic shock for an ENTIRE dream you fight to control. dream_comments: people keep telling me that its a tough decision in the waking world that i must make, and by going through the frame somehow birds will sing and i'll find ''the meaning of [my] life.'' i even tell myself that in my dream every time...'here i go. im going through it now... thats what im supposed to do... AAAAAAAAA'' and i still won't go through. feel free to share my name and my email: vox2vox@msn.com comments: 472-003, 476-002 __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 472-002 #ed.note: message removed non-dream post# __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 472-003 [472-001] Subject: Re: The Frame I think that what's beyond that frame is a memory or unwanted feeling that you have buried so far into your mind that it takes a dream like that to make you face it. You just need to trust yourself and know that if it's been haunting you for this long, obviously it has to be brought to light, no matter how scary or painful it might be. Just know that once you see what it is you'll be able to wake up and come to terms with it on your own turf: Reality. [name removed] __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 472-004 [470-001] Subject: Re: Yosemite Sam and the demon girl This dream reminded me of a dream I had when I was about 4 where a monster (being 4 it was naturally a big furry muppetty one), came up to me while I was in bed and told me he was going to eat me. I defiantly told him he shouldn't eat me. He looked really shocked and then got sucked into the light globe that hung from my bedroom ceiling. Now that was only the only dream I've ever had that I identify as a nightmare. I woke up all afraid and crying and stuff. I attribute the fact that I defied the scary monster at a very young age to not ever again having something in my dreams really scare me. [name removed]'s dream seemed similar so I wonder does [name removed] still have scary dreams? I think that [name removed] needed Yosemite Sam to help scare away the threat is significantly different to my own confrontation. On to another, unrelated dream, my flatmate dreamt I turned into a wookie and read the EEL Estate section of the news paper, a wetter, fishier type of house market. ha ha I'm a wookie [name removed] __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 472-005 #ed.note: message removed non-dream post# __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 473-001 Subject: recurring dream about Vampires dream_title: recurring dream about Vampires dream_date: NA dream_text: I have been having a recurring dream about Vampires. I am always the last human and realize that all of my friends and family have been turned into one of them. I have to fight them off. The location of their lair is dark, cold and stormy. It is located on the end of a cliff by the ocean, underground. I have to fight them off, which I do gallantly for a while, doing humanly impossible tricks, like the Matrix. But I feel myself getting tired and weaker because there are so many of them. I feel alone, I know that it will not last, that eventually I will have to give in to them, then I wake up. 3/14/02 I dreamt that I was in a very cold place, where there had been ice glaciers and things. As I am wandering through this place I find very old items, a watch, a few necklaces, little things like that, and a dog chain of someone from 1877 or 1977, can't quite remember but there was a date on it. I realized they were very valuable, because many old ships had sunk out there. The next part of the dream I am trying to help get something very important somewhere, I don't even know what it is. But there were a few of us on one team working together to get this thing across the airport. I remember our teacher/leader or someone had to stay behind, and it was sad, I cried. Then we left and I had to leap over the metal detector so not to get caught, and the others were my decoys, they went through first setting it off so that the security would ignore me and search them. I got through. And made it onto the flight. 5/22/02 All I remember is that I was painting using many different colors, all of the colors in my pallet and I was randomly brushing them over my canvass. All the colors of the rainbow, when I see myself I notice my hair is also all the colors of the rainbow. I have stripes of colors all over my hair. The painting started out as something and then just became a random thoughtless piece of work. I had the feeling that it [ed.note: dream text ends here] dream_comments: I don't really understand the symbols in my dreams I know they mean someting very important or I would not have remembered them so vividly. I have many dreams, I guess you could say I look for answers and ask myself to dream the solution. I do but then I can't seem to figure them out. Can I get some help with the interpretation or is it completely up to me to relate it to my life? Comments: 473-002, 473-006 __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 473-002 [473-001] Subject: Re: recurring dream about Vampires Warning dreams (relationships)..2 q's: who is the female in your life invovlved in witchcraft? Can you recall any colors in the last dream? Jewelry is generally a good omen. If you are lacking trust in someone right now>or believe they are ie: backstabbing you. They are... [name removed] __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 473-003 Subject: (unknown) Hi. My boyfriend had another weird dream he wanted me to find out about. He had a dream that he was talking to me with his back to me. When he turned around, I was REALLY pregnant. He said that I was huge and we were both smiling. What do you think this means? Comments: 473-005 __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 473-004 #ed.note: message removed non-dream post# __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 473-005 [473-003] Subject: Re: (unknown) Maybe there's going to be a change in your lives that will make you both happy. __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 473-006 [473-001] Subject: Re: recurring dream about Vampires It sounds to me like you scare easily, and you dream what your mind is fearing from what you have seen. The dream about the airport and the metal detectors probably is because of September 11th. You probably were dreaming about some paranormal things at first, because let's face it, Hollywood today wouldn't be as corrupt as it is without all that vampire crap. But the part with the airport is probably because somewhere in the back of your head you were remembering how Bin Laden said he was doing this because we are evil, so you dreamed that you were the one smuggling contraband into the airport. The rainbow is because of spring. The last couple of days the weather has been nice for everybody, and yesterday I even felt a burst of energy and cleaned the house from top to bottom. And I never clean, I just take care of my part of the house. But your dreams represent your fears. If you had been watching a little too much "Buffy", or maybe you're a stickler for horror flicks, that would explain the vampires. If I were you, I'd try taking a little more time to wind down before you go to sleep. It's not good to sleep right after watching things on television, even the news, that might affect the way you sleep. __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 474-001 Subject: Before I was eaten by a Giant dream_title: Before I was eaten by a Giant dream_date: May.23,02 dream_text: When I was younger I used to have this repetitive dream that I was very small, maybe the size of a tomatoe, and i was in a sandwich. Not just any sandwich a bolony one. The smell was very strong and made me sick to my stomach. Then all of a sudden I saw a huge sweaty giant picked up the sandwich and started to eat the sandwich I was in. I wake up after that every time!!!!! dream_comments: What does this mean??????? comments: 475-011 __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 474-002 Subject: death dream_title: death dream_date: 5/22/02 dream_text: I was in a medical ward and everyone in there had to be killed kids adults. I was shot 3 times 2 in the hand and once in the heart i immediately wanted to go to my infant and lay with him my daughter was already asleep. I couldn't die. Comments: 475-012 __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 474-003 Subject: Dating dream_title: Dating dream_date: 22nd May dream_text: i was dating one of my close male friends and i was really happy but one of my other female friend who i havent spoke to for a long time was really jealous and kept being nasty towards me!!! dream_comments: What does this mean, please help me comments: 475-009 __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 474-004 Subject: orphan of zirka Stan requests that his name and e remain with the dream text. - editor From: stan kulikowski ii DATE : 22 may 2002 04:36 DREAM : orphan of zirka =( last night was a tuesday. i got home from teaching early in the afternoon, but could not motivate myself into any productive work that i should be doing. there was an extra long season finale to _buffy the vampire slayer_ which i watched, but i had missed most of the season with a tuesday night course last term. later we watched roger corman's _battle beyond the stars_, the second remake of _seven samurai_ that i know of. the previous night we had run _the magnificent seven_. i went to bed around 00:30 and got right to sleep without my usual reading. )= i feel the slim cold band of metal circle my forehead and all my nervous activity suddenly calms then stops. in still silence i sit and hear a man's whispered voice from behind me say "remember". a memory uncoils within me. i see the darkened silhouette of a thin child with a long neck, maybe four years old. a nurse puts her hand on his shoulder and says "this is your father". the boy looks up at the stranger before him. i can see his eyes glitter and move within the bones of his face reflected like an x-ray within his shadowed shape. around his forehead i can feel the cold, slightly moist band of zirkon like the one around mine. "father?" the boy says. i can feel my lips moving, saying the same thing as his. he is looking at a stranger who is looking at him, hope in both their eyes. i understand now that they had to rush this imprinting session, not because of my need, but that the father would lose the ability to bond with me if they waited much longer after the birth of his own child four years ago. that child had died and the hospital took the opportunity to substitute myself with it. i am one of the orphans from zirka. that is why my memories of life before four years have a vague postcard like quality to them. they are not real, but have been told to me in zirkon sessions like this one. people from the planet zirka have a natural susceptibility to the metal zirkon that comes from their planet. zirkon is mildly radioactive and its gamma rays resonate with nerve synaptic activities. the zirkon native to earth only produces a mild reaction like a trembling in my fingers when i touch it, but zirkon from zirka have a quantum spin that matches its native nervous tissue and causes a total paralysis. that is why the shadow government of earth imports these metal bands from zirka to assure total control of the immigrant population. superman must have a similar susceptibility to kryptonite from his own planet. i can wonder now how the woman i know as my mother must have lied to herself. it is natural to need a baby after the months of pregnancy but how could she not sense that her child was stillborn? perhaps it wasn't and was just put into fosterage so i could be placed here. still, she had to wait years while my infancy in the hospital was required to adapt my body to the air, water and foods of earth. how clear things become when i have contact with the metal of my home world. how muddled they become when it is taken off. during my twenties, when i was in college, i would some mornings wake up and not remember the night before. we were told that this was due to alcohol consumption at the time, but now i know these incidents to be lengthy zirkon conditioning sessions. the queasy aftermath i felt were because my internal organs had been poorly regulated for hours when the activity of the vagus nerve had been suppressed. even now i can not recall what the government agents did to me when they placed the metal band around my forehead. usually i would wake up at home after a black out, but sometimes i would be god knows where next to a woman i did not know. part of a breeding program i assume. i certainly remember no pleasure from the activity. i would dress, go outside and wander the streets looking for my car parked somewhere i could not recall then to drive aimlessly searching for landmarks until i could find my way home. =( i wake around 04:00 and it takes me a while to decide that i am awake enough to type this into my dream log. i have no idea how this content features into my life. my memories of life before age four do have a viewed quality to them, but i assume that is natural. in my waking life i must have missed the breeding program where you wake up with strange women. i do not recall right now if 'zirkon' is a real metal or something that frank zappa made up. the beginning of this dream had a very creepy feel to it like someone was in the room with me while i slept. i can still hear that husky whispered command to 'remember' like it was not part of the dream. it has a musical breathless quality like that 'welcome' in the grand rest at the start of the rock opera _tommy_. )= comments: 474-005, 474-006 __________________________________________________________________ _____ Message: 474-005 [474-004] Subject: Re: orphan of zirka No offence but I dont think it has to do with your life at all, I just think you watch a little too much Buffy. lol but thats ok, if you dont mind having those kinda dreams. :) Anyways, when I read your dream, I rememberd an episode in Buffy when I used to watch it, when Riely was in there, and there was this red dude, that walks around killing poeple,and he had wires attatched to him and stuff, I dont know what he was called, but the only way to destroy him, was the use of a spell, to give Buffy powers. He was also created by some scientist, but not physically created by her. And he called her Mom. Talk to you later, I hope th is helps. __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 474-006 [474-004] Subject: Re: orphan of zirka they say that at least one of your dreams that you have through the night will be of what happened during the day and what you watched or did before you went to bed. which ever sticks in your subconscious more. I agree with [name removed] it has nothing to do with your life. hope this helps __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 474-007 Subject: my dream dream_title: my dream dream_date: 5-21-02 dream_text: i was walking around with my friends and the guy i like got shot then i was next then next thing i saw i had a bullet in my stomach and I was strugling with my crush as we were dieing. dream_comments: It was freaky. Comments: 475-010 __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 475-001 Subject: the accident dream_title: the accident dream_date: 1996 dream_text: When the dream began, I was walking across the road in front of my mother's house, where I grew up. It was dark, and i didn't see the car that was coming. It hit me, and everything went black. Then all I could see were very bright ligths, and i seemed to follow them without walking...down to the highway about a half mile away. There was a terrible accident there, and I was walking around looking at the ambulances that were sey up to treat victims. Many of the bodies were charred, burned beyond recognitiion. One was a child. The vehicles were being pulled away from the scene. A red car was so badly mutilated that I couldn't tell what kind of car it had been. Then, as they raised it to tow away, the door came open; and I recognized the toys that fell out as having belonged to my daughter. Then I heard a police officer telling someone on the scene, "The man and child are dead, and the woman won't last must longer." dream_comments: This was the dream that left me the most shaken, but I often dream of people I love dying, of car accidents and fires. Although this one didn't, most of my dreams start off happy, and end badly. They are all long and involved with a storyline or even a twist, like this one. Sometimes I actually see credits go up at the end, no joke. Comments: 475-004, 475-007 __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 475-002 #ed.note: message removed non-dream post# __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 475-003 Subject: current dream Just to start in with dreaming... finally... 5/24 I seeemed to be in a group composed of people from different parts of past; we seem to be attempting to escape from some type of prison ( a certain land area, I believe; possibly New England somewhere...) at one point we (each of us) decide to turn into stone no in our current form, in a smaller, more abstract version with few features...;this is done to prevent dying... Later, a large crystal is used by( ? ) to reactivate the group into human form...I am still attempting to remember the rest of this dream in which there are attempts at two other transformations( which do not work...0 prior to this one. Thank you.... [name removed] comments: 475-008 __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 475-004 [475-001] Subject: Re: the accident Is it possible that some of these things you are dreaming of premonitions? OR things that have actually happened, and you are there..not in the physical plane but another level? __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 475-005 Subject: scary dream_title: scary dream_date: 5-6-02 dream_text: My dream was when I was caught in this house of dark walls and I was running from something but I don't know what it was. When I was running,the floor opened up and this fireball was under me. What does this mean? dream_comments: TELL ME WHAT THIS MEANS PLEASE!!!!!!! comments: 475-006 __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 475-006 [475-005] Subject: Re: scary Usually when you don't know what you're running from it means that you're running from yourself. Sometimes nightmares with metaphors represent thoughts, feelings, problems, or even positive situations, like relationships, that you're subconsciously afraid to face. The fire under you may mean that it has to do with religion. It could be either good or bad, depending on what exactly fire means to you. __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 475-007 [475-001] Subject: Re: the accident Maybe you're watching too many dramatic movies about families being separated. I have trouble with that and it is for that reason that I refuse to watch Lifetime Channel after dark. You also might have trouble shaking a fear that you're going to lose everything good in your life. If those dreams really bother you, don't watch any of those movies or television shows for at least three hours before you go to bed. __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 475-008 [475-003] Subject: Re: current dream Have you ever heard of the phrase "sands of time"? Sometimes time goes by so quickly that we don't want to let go of the past. But after a while these irrelevant memories seem to feel like a prison, especially if they're sentimental or even parts of our childhood that we really wouldn't want to remember anyway. Sometimes it helps to become more active into the community, besides working, maybe take on some kind of volunteering thing of some sort. Sometimes even forming closer relationships with the neighbors will replace some of those memories, which, even though they may be good, have been around for so long that they start to haunt. The "transformation" part made me think of witchcraft. If you're into that, I'd get away from it, it might alienate your friends and family. But if you're not, be sure keep a good distance from that stuff. I had my own dream once when someone said, "Witchcraft isn't wicked, it's just misery." Just try to be around people more and not think so much about your past experiences or "misery". __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 475-009 [474-003] Subject: Re: Dating Maybe you're wondering about this female friend, and what she's up to lately. I really don't think the part with the guy means anything, though, unless you have a crush on him. __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 475-010 [474-007] Subject: Re: my dream Maybe you feel a little self conscious about your weight. I'm not saying there's anything to be worried about, because I've never met you, but maybe you think your crush doesn't like the way you look. __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 475-011 [474-001] Subject: Re: Before I was eaten by a Giant I think you want to live a better life, like a fairy tale, but the endings to most stories have been anything but. __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 475-012 [474-004] Subject: Re: death You are reminding yourself of what you would do for your children, no matter how impossible. __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 476-001 [476-001] Subject: Re: Constantly searching Dear [name removed], I have two reactions to this dream. One is that it is a dream about using one's capacities, or talents, to the fullest. There is something unfulfilled. A dream like this is often an anxiety dram, but you report no feelings of stress with it. It would be useful to consider what has been going on in waking life each time this dream has occurred. Only if you keep both a dream and a regular journal could you do this. My other reaction is that your spirit guides are giving you a tour of your inner world. They stand by ready to help but do not impose themselves on you. They allow you to see through your elevator (the mesh door) so that you can see yourself move through different levels. If you want to contact them, try thinking about this dream and addressing them just as you are falling asleep. They may show themselves more actively when you dream again. __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 476-002 [472-001] Subject: Re: The Frame Dear [name removed], I also have dreams in which I revisit the same places. I enjoy these dreams and try to gather new information about the place each time I visit. I'm trying to develop a real map of them by numbering and crossreferencing the places in my dream journal. I'm surprised that your fear increases rather than decreases with repetition. There is something for you to see in the dream that should not frighten you. If it's lack of control that frightens you, try carrying an amulet of some kind. Find an image that resonates with your beliefs and tuck it under your pillow. Think about the dream and about the protection you have as you fall asleep. Perhaps then you may have the dream without the fear and find out what is really there for you. __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 476-003 Subject: Crazy monkey and the end of the world dream_title: Crazy monkey and the end of the world dream_date: 9/17/01 dream_text: Once I dreamt that there was a flying monkey in the air, yelling threats to me, and saying that if I didn't comply with them, that he would hurt everyone that I know and everyone around me!! I couldn't do anything about it, but I don't remember exactly why. The world ended, and it was all my fault. dream_comments: I have no idea what this means. With everyhthing on 9/11 I thought it could haveto do with that, but I still dont know what the monkey had to do with it all. My unlce died the week before... could that have meant something? He died from a monkey attack at a zoo... it wasn't publicized or anything.. it was terrible. Anyway, why did I have that dream, and whats it saying?? __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 476-004 #ed.note: message removed non-dream post# __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 476-005 Subject: the house dream_title: the house dream_date: 05-21-02 dream_text: I had a dream about a house of a person in my work building. I remembered it very clearly and when I saw her I laughed as I told her about it. She got almost hysterical and said that I had just described her house excactly. I have never been there of course. She wanted to talk to me later as she had to go. This is not the first time I had a dream of that nature. I have had many dreams about situations with coworkers that turned out to have happened. What happens in my dreams is that I see what is or has happened and the people they are about know there is no way I could have known. I am starting a dream diary after many many years of intense dreaming. I am now listening to them dream_comments: Sorry if I didn't detail a dream. The point is that I dream every night and when I discuss them the people around me tell me that it happened. This is getting a little annoying. Comments: 478-010 __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 477-001 #ed.note: message removed non-dream post# __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 477-002 Subject: kulba dream_title: kulba dream_date: 1984 dream_text: it was the birth of man, behind a mountain 587 feet high and he was made from a monkey into a homosapien and they were asking questions about life to this mountain and as they found an answer they grew more human. it has weight . if you really think you can experience trips man, you can be sure the wind is full of surprises. __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 477-003 Subject: archaeology dream_title: archaeology dream_date: 5/25/02 dream_text: A series of tunnels have been discovered under the city of Rome. Spelunkers are very excited. one person tells me, "we have found a large room with entrances to 40 more tunnels...we have named the room Bartlom," I looked confused for the informant then explained, "you know after Coscious Pulmanar" which told me nothing so for the rest of my dream time I made a conscious effort to remember Coscious Pulmanar so that I could look it up on the internet and then know why they had named the room Bartlom dream_comments: I am not kidding about the dream except I can not guarantee the correct spelling of he nonsense names...so, of course, I could not follow up with an internet search...if anyome wamts to comment..my email adress is chappy@houston.rr.com comments: 478-008 __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 477-004 Subject: lucid vision: explosion dream_title: lucid vision: explosion dream_date: 27/05/02 dream_text: Lucid Vision: Bombing I had just gone to sleep for the final time at 5am. I was sure I would have difficulty resting, but soon enough I was lucid. My first thought was of a girl, who I really liked and seen earlier that day. However, my attempts to meet her in dreaming were to no avail - I got the feeling there was something much more important I should be paying attention to. Soon enough, I felt someone approaching, at first I thought it may be the girl I knew, but then I recognized it was a spirit. This spirit was powerful, in the way they took control of the dream and seemed to know exactly where they were taking me. Instantly, I was in a plane of some sort. I could see the ground below me, but could not identify where the place was. I could hear the sounds of gunfire, at first I thought I was playing a game. For a second, I paused I didn't really care that much about shooting, but if it was a game, then maybe I should. I heard more shots, and soon I looked down at the ground. Below me there was a huge explosion. A huge mushroom cloud erupted below. I became shocked at what I thought I had done (by thinking of it) but instantly knew it was not me who had made the shots. I was amazingly clear, and even though I knew I was lucid dreaming, it seemed I had no control over the situation and was going to die. The explosion seemed to cause a chain of similar explosions, in the surrounding area, and I watched as strokes of lightning fell from the sky. This was the scariest part of the dream and I really wasn't sure If I was ever gonna come back from this. However, I soon got the feeling that was not a participant in this situation, just a viewer. I think there were at least three strokes, it reminded me of a story of forked lightning, and I thought about the different ways the lightning would go. The last explosion I saw, spread quickly over the plains of the land. The land had a couple of trees, but did not seem all that full of people. I remember seeing animals trying to escape from the fire from the explosion, but it burst over the ground burning all in its path. As I watched this horrible devestation take place, I wondered where this place was. The view hanged, as I moved from the explosion scene to the area nearby. I was watching the view of a coastline, and I stayed here for a while to get a look at the place. At the same time wondering why it was that that the place looked like a bitmap image or a computer game, but not for one second doubting why I was being shown this scene. It seemed I was up there for a while, but I remained lucid after this event, and thus have difficulty remembering some of the details of the vision. I tried to maintain lucidity for a while after this, but it seemed the spirit did not want me to do this (perhaps to save energy, for remembering the vision). I found myself in my room, in my dreaming body, with a staircase where my bookshelf was supposed to be. I clambered up it, but decided to jump back into bed (still lucid). It was at this stage, I woke up. dream_comments: I got the feeling that this vision was really urgent. Your hopes and prayers for averting this situation would be appreciated.. __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 478-001 Subject: Aliens dream_title: Aliens dream_date: 5-25-02 and 5-26-02 dream_text: DAY 1: I was at my house when then long worm thing came out and was chasing us then stoped. My family and I was looking for it but it really never showed up. I went outside and looked up the hill when I saw two motorcycles come down but I looked in the driveway and nothing was there so I looked up. There was this little dome car, like the Jetsons but it had a blue purle clear top and there were regular people in there. They asked if we wanted a ride and we said yes and they said we could bring 3 animals if we wanted so we choose are 3 dogs. Then I wished we would have brought are cats. So we went zooming in this thing in the sky and then I see this flash like we had passed over to another place. I looked back and saw the huge light and said to everyone I knew there was a different life form out but I really don't think it is aliens. So we flew a little more when we came to this city. We stoped my Mcdonalds and got some food then the guy took us to this home. We got out of the space car I guess you could say it was and went inside to eat. I was about done with my food with the fries on my plate have turned into theses little worms but I still ate them, chasing after them on my plate one by one. After I went to the bathroom and said I had lost 45lbs then woke up to a little girl screaming next door. DAY 2: I was on the school bus going home when my friend had all these books about death. In the dream my friend jacob had died and I was really depressed so I took the book about death. I went up to the front and so did my friend Dustin. We sat there talking as he leaded over and kissed me. We stoped and kissed again then I asked what that was for, looking at the ground then him and he had turned into an alien. He was a green color but still kinda had the face of him but slowly turned. He pointed at me then I replied "just because of who I am" and he said yes. He didn't have a round shaped head but almost scare. I woke up instantly after and went outside. dream_comments: I don't know what this is suposed to mean but its freaking me out. Its now the second night. I hope you can help me out a little. __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 478-002 Subject: I am me, and I am my daughter dream_title: I AM ME, AND I AM MY DAUGHTER dream_date: 5/22/02 dream_text: i dreamed i was walking down the street thinking that my daughter (who is also me) had died the day before. I was walking to work and wondering why I wasn't taking any time off work because of my daughter's death. I was not particularly saddened, just kind of befuddled. dream_comments: if anyone has any idea what this dream could mean, i would love to hear from you. Comments: 478-007, 478-012 __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 478-003 Subject: marriage? dream_title: marriage? dream_date: 5/20-24/02 dream_text: I have had this dream many times. It is always the same. And I still don't understand what it is about. I and single as in not engaged but I am in a serious relationship With Jeff and have been for some time now. well here is my dream: It stares out with me and one of my friends flying up to Boston, Mass to see Jeff. When we get there it is the normal greeting two people who are in love have. We kiss and hug oblivious to everyone around us. Well, then he takes my friend and I to meet his Uncle who is waiting for us by the exit. we stand there and talk for a while then they take us back to their place where we will be staying instead of a hotel. The next couple of days Jeff shows us around Boston. We go sailing. And have so much fun. A couple day later after a long day of just being together alone with Jeff everyone goes to be except Jeff. he said he wasn't tired. I go in my room and try to sleep but I can't so I get up and join Jeff in the front room. I sit down on his lap and put my arms around his neck and he kisses me long a loving. We sit like that fore a long time and talk about nothing in particular. Then he tell me that he will be right back he has to go get something so I slid off of him and he stands up and disappears into his room. he is not gone very long. When he returns instead of sitting on the couch he kneels in front of me on one knee. He takes my hand and pulls out a ring box. He then opens it and looks me striate in the eyes and he asked to be his Bride. I of course am shocked but I slid off the couch and through my arms around his neck and I say yes and kiss him. then he smiles and says good. Then he tells me he loves me and I tell him I love him. Then he stands up helps me up and he takes the ring out of the box and he slides it on my finger. Then he kisses me and picks me up carries me into my room where we sleep together for the first time. Then I wake up. if anyone can help me to understand this dream pleas e-mail me at HeavenSent8381@aol.com dream_comments: I don't know what my dram means or anything but this is only one that I could share. i dream all the time and I remember most of them. I can sen more if you want. Oh I put my e- mail address on my dream so peaple can e-mail me what they think my dream means if they want. So please use my e-mail. __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 478-004 Subject: Collage of dreams..cont. dream_title: Collage of dreams..cont. dream_date: 5/26/02 dream_text: I accidentally hit return before I was finished..I was telling about several dreams I remembered from last night with a wheelchair theme. I don't think I am remembering them in proper order, and some of them may be parts of the same dream. The next one I remember is a dream of my stepfather. I dreamed I saw him and he had aged 20 years..his face was gaunt and wrinkled and he was walking so slowly and on a cane. He had bruises and red marks as though he had fallen. I was helping him to bed. I asked him what was wrong, he said he had broken his hip. I felt very sad for him. I couldn't believe how old he seemed. Another one I remember is that I was at some sort of support group, day care or home with a bunch of youngish (thirties and forties) men in wheelchairs. They were all in a circle, and there were women around that were to care for/entertain them. It was my first time there and I was going through some sort of initiation where I had to perform something for one of the men, determined by a drawing (like drawing the deed out of a hat) or a spin of a wheel or something. I had to kiss one of these men, and I had to put red lipstick on before doing it. The one I thought I had to kiss was actually an old friend of mine..I thought "The joke is on them, I have kissed him before" Then they told me it was this other man, who was more like a leader, or maybe he was rich, but he had some status...I was attracted to him, and I gave him a long sensuous kiss..he was pleased, saying "That was nice!" The last one I remember is the most exotic and captivating, and one of the most unusual I have ever had. I was at a fishing lake, a pay lake. I was fishing with people I knew. The place was so crowded you could barely find a spot to sit and fish. The weather was hot and the sun seemed to be blazing. It seems there were foreigners there observing us fishing. I was thinking "I hope they don't think this is how Americans get their food" The water was full of debris. I felt a tug on my line and got very excited, I had a bite!! When I reeled in my line, on the end of my hook was a foam head, the kind you put a wig on to hold it's shape. It was painted silver and had a face drawn on it. I can't explain why, but this dream seems to have some importance or meaning to it. Any thoughts would be very much appreciated. dream_comments: In real life my stepfather is only around 60, is very active and in good health. We have a good relationship. The friend in the wheelchair in real life can walk just fine..we have been out of touch a long time, but have recently been talking over the internet. __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 478-005 Subject: The Big Choice dream_title: The Big Choice dream_date: Oct./01 & May 20/02 dream_text: Oct.2001 dream: A faceless man gave me two presents. The packaging was identical and the contents were similar. They were gold boxes with the type of lid you lift off (like a hat box only square) and were tied with a rich, burgundy ribbon with gold trimmed edging. A man, whose face I couldn't see, told me if I could tell which one was the better gift, then we could be together forever. I opened the lids and reviewed the contents. Each gift was similar items such as bath oils, soaps, and makeup done in shades of burgundy and fragrances like raspberry. Gift #1 was obviously luxury items that were brand-name like Body Shoppe. At first glance, Gift #2 appeared to have the same product. But on closer inspection, was comprised of Dollar Store knock-offs that were cheap quality. I chose correctly in the dream but, upon waking, could not remember which I chose. May 20,2002 dream: I was at a beach resort/golf club type of place (part of me feels that it was a university campus) looking around the gift shop when a man tapped me on the shoulder. When I turned around it was a blond guy who looked like a guy I knew. He's average height with a stocky build, attractive but not gorgeous. Even though he didn't look the same, I knew it was an acquaintance of mine named [name removed]. I was excited to see him and gave him a big hug. When I pulled away from him his looks changed so that he looked like Sean does in reality slim build, dark hair and eyes, just beautiful He held up two identical gold ankle bracelets he had just bought and asked me what the difference was. I looked them over and one cost $18.99 and the other was $5.99 but otherwise they were the same (18K). I told him that he got ripped off on the $18.99 bracelet. He smiled and put one bracelet on me, then the other on himself. Then he said, "Would you go out with me?" to which I ecstatically replied "YES!". He kissed me and passed me a duffle bag that contained a jacket and something else (looked like airline tickets), and told me he was staying at another place and to meet him there. He said, "It's just like this one, just in a different location. But at least you'll get different scenery." Then I was driving up a hill on a lovely city street with palm trees and sand and the ocean off a bit from the road. I knew I was on my way to see him and I had never felt happier. Comments: 478-006, 478-009, 478-011 __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 478-006 [478-005] Subject: Re: The Big Choice Did this Sean move to a coastal area? Do you eve know where Sean is? I think either you miss Sean and you would like to get together with him or maybe this dream means in general that you're looking for your soulmate in the wrong place. Maybe you might have better luck in that area you dreamed about. It sounds like it could be Florida, with the city road, ocean view, and palm trees all in the same place. Of course I haven't been around a lot, but your description sounded specifically like the Melbourne area. __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 478-007 [478-002] Subject: Re: I am me, and I am my daughter How old is your daughter? Maybe you two aren't connecting as well as you should be. If she's a teenager, you need to connect with her more so. You might just need to spend more time with her, no matter what age she is, and get to know her better so you can trust her and she can trust you, if anything should happen in her life. The other upside to spending more time with your kids is that you form the kind of relationship with them that a lot of fathers lack. With a daughter, it's pretty difficult to share an interest, but after all, she is your kid, you have to have something in common. When I'm with my father, we don't like all the same things, but two things we do agree on are movies and basketball. He calls me constantly to find out what movies are coming out on video (i work at a video store) and to ask me if I've seen the latest game and the fight that happened in it. That's what I think your dream means, you're not close enough to your daughter and subconsciously you're afraid that she might die suddenly and you'll regret not spending enough time with her. __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 478-008[447-003] Subject: Re: archaeology Sometimes words in foreign languages sound or look like words in English. Coscious Pulmunar sounds like Conscious Pulmonary. I don't care if you're not sure about the spelling, your whole post in general sounds really interesting. It also sounds like a sign of a heart problem. That phrase that I just hopefully interpreted sounds like it's a synonym-type phrase for "living, beating heart". We all know what the word conscious means, and Pulmonary is a word that is used to describe the particular system in which your heart pumps blood through your veins so you can breathe. Pulmonary Resuscitation is a method used in the emergency room when someone goes into cardiac arrest. Those tunnels sound like how doctors have to clear out your main veins in the heart to make it work normally again. The Roman thing could mean one of three things: You're a little tiffed about the recent child abuse case involving that priest, the root of the problem is too much italian food, or you will be saved in a Catholic hospital. But I think that your body is telling you more than your mind in this particualar dream that you need to have your cholesterol checked and have a complete physical right away. __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 478-009 [478-005] Subject: Re: The Big Choice I notice some patterns in these dreams...important choices being the strongest. But the comparing of two simular items, and having to judge which has more value, which is more genuine, having to look beyond the surface and dig deeper to know the truth...perhaps part of you feels you are being fooled..it seems you are choosing between good and better, because both of your choices come in the form of a gift....no matter what you choose it seems on the surface you would benefit...but I sense that emotionally within the dream and upon waking the dreamer felt that the choice was urgent, echoing the idea of digging deeper, looking closer, etc. These are just my gut reactions. Neat dreams, thanks for sharing. __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 478-010 [476-005] Subject: Re: the house Welcome to the club. I've been doing that "dream what is, what has been, and what will be" kind of thing since I was a small child. My grandmother does it, too. It's really fun as long as the people you tell your dreams to don't think you're crazy. When I was REALLY young I would dream things and they would happen, from specific tornado warnings right down to a turn in the plot on General Hospital, long before it's announced in the magazines. It doesn't happen as often as it probably does for you, so when it does happen I go into shock and anxiously wait for it to happen again. __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 478-011 [478-005] Subject: Re: The Big Choice If it were my dream, I would consider it a dream telling me that I have a choice before me. On the surface the choices seem alike but in closer examination, one is second class, counterfeit. I am reminded of the difference between the choice to follow God, the highest good or the counterfeit. The second looks good on the surface but at closer examination is not the quality of the first. __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 478-012 [478-002] Subject: Re: I am me, and I am my daughter I suggest to make a list of characteristics that come to mind when you think of your daughter. Then consider the symbol of death. It usually means change, endings. Does it mean that to you? After considering the possible meanings of these symbols in your dream, ask yourself what characterisitics in yourself is this dream telling you have through the use of the symbol of your daughter, i.e., what characteristics you listed of your daughter apply to you.... which are somehow changing in you? The dream might be suggesting that you are not paying the attention to/ or noticing the changes (if that is what death means to you) in yourself, which rather surprises you that it does not bother you more. The change may cause you some disorientation and feelings of being befuddled, but it isn't a big deal afterall. What qualities in yourself are changing that maybe you thought would bother you worse than it does? __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 478-013 Subject: movie part 2 dream_title: movie part 2 dream_date: may 25, 2002 dream_text: This is the second dream i had on the same night...I was in the same movie theater as before and there were shelves full of bookbags with a counter in front of it. One of Ricky's friends was working behind it giving out people's bookbags. For some reason i was staring at that kids bracelets and rings (he had the same ring as me). We gave the kid a number (10) and he gave us a bookbag that wasnt ours. We were looking 4 money in it to steal. We searched through alot of bookbags but we couldnt find any money. dream_comments: this is the other dream i had in the same exact place as before and with the same people but a different dream. I also found this wierd so can u please tell me what it means? __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 478-014 Subject: The Movies dream_title: The Movies dream_date: May 25, 2002 dream_text: I was at the movies with my friend Ricky and 2 of his friends that i have never seen before. There were also 2 old ladies there that i didnt know either. We all went to see a movie and the boy sitting next to me really liked me. So when the movie finished the kid wouldnt let me go. I was screaming Ricky's name to help me and i ran behind him while he was in the arcade playing video games. Then the kid left me alone. After that we went in the car with the 2 old ladies and we went home. dream_comments: I really would like to know what this dream means because it was really wierd. __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 480-001 #ed.note: post removed (non-dream post)# __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 481-001 Subject: Nightmare Lately, I have been having alot of lucid dreams about myself. Which is rare. The omens, the signs are very clear. They are positive suggestions that fit with what I am going through. Last night however, the dream was really a nightmare. Extremely intense and vivid. However, all the signs were the same. I didn't feel fear then or when I awoke. What troubles me is why it was a nightmare? Any thoughts? Comments: 481-002, 482-003 __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 481-002 [481-001] Subject: Re: Nightmare Dear [name removed], A nightmare without fear could easily be your unconscious telling you you have overcome fear already, or preparing you to face something fearlessly. That would be my interpretation. __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 481-003 Subject: Speaking In Toungs dream_title: Speaking In Toungs dream_date: 5/?/02 dream_text: My dream does not start with speaking in tounges. In fact, the beginning of this dream may be a completely different one. The memory is very vague now. I am first rock climbing with some friends. They reach the top. I on the other hand see nothing but black before getting to the very top. I somehow find a cave that is like a hollow square to rest in. The room begins to fill with a televison or two. That part of my dream breaks and I find myself in what seems to be a foriegn land. During this part, I have lost my shoes and I need to find them. I start asking people where my shoes are in Spanish. It was spanish, I've had three years of it in school so far. People that I am talking to respond in Spanish. I keep asking people until I somehow find myself in a shack asking people where my shoes are in spanish. They begin laughing. I turn around and find myself in another room with my shoes. I turn again and I am in a different room with someone who mutters something to me. The person sounded like he was from Jamaica. That is all I remember from my dream. dream_comments: I have never had a dream before where I spoke in another language. Comments: 483-001 __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 481-004 Subject: My Conscience Is Running Away From Me? dream_title: My Conscience Is Running Away From Me? dream_date: around April 16th, 2001 dream_text: I was living in the house i live in now, only now my family isn't there and the only ones who do live there are girls of all ages w/problems... they use drugs, drink, prostitutes, stuff like that. There was also the Italian guy who watched after us. I'm not sure why i was there. I had this guy who i couldn't see who kept talking to me... maybe he was my consciense or something. But he said that my time was running out and i couldn't stay here anymore, i had to run away. He was my only friend and the only person i could trust, so i listened to what he was saying. He told me to, "Go downstairs, pack my bags, and run". So i went into my basement, only it was way bigger tan my real basement and had a concrete floor. Other than that, it was the same. Even the bath towels. I know because i went into the bath room and wrapped a bunch of pieces of glass in the hand towels and put them in my bag with all of my other things. Then i went into the main room again. Then i looked at this tall girl w/blonde wavy hair and i heard this voice say "Kill her. Kill her and run". So then i go up to the girl and stab her... she quietly and slowly slumos to the floor. All the other girls started going over there to see what i did, and the Italian guy comes down the stairs to see what's wrong. That's when i go upstairs. I got up and heard the voice say "Take the birth control pills behind the picture of Italy," so i do. Then he tells me that i CAN'T run away. I was trying to convince him... he said that "If u run now, don't expect me to help you, you'll be on your own and no one else will help you, either. Trust me, I will just run the other way if you go out that door." I stood there, one hand on the sliding glass door, thinking. He had been the one who was supposed to help me; he was supposedly my only friend. But i knew that my time was running out and that the cops would be here soon... so i slid open the door and ran. I jumped a fence and bolted; and saw the voice for the first time as he turned out of the house and ran the other way. I ran past one street where my friends live, because even though it musta been about midnight, i knew they would want to talk to me, and it would stall me. So I turned into the other street, while a girl running ahead of me went straight. Then a woman who was outside in her lawn at the corner of the street looked at me and yelled "Geez, where's the haunted house!?" Not understanding at the time that she probably meant why was i runnig so fast, i yelled back, "My house.". She just started laughing and yelled to the other girl who was running, "Did you hear that, Samantha? A haunted house right on my own street!" and kept laughing. This is where i woke up. dream_comments: Okay..... i have NO clue what this could mean.... I only really know why i took the glass. Everything else is lost to me. Comments: 481-012, 483-003, 484-001, 484-002 __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 481-005 Subject: sharebear dream_title: pregnancy dream_date: may,2002 dream_text: the first night i dreamed i was pregnant then the next night i dreamed i was at my aunts house and i was pregnant and my water broke,i was sad because my boyfriend didnt want to come with me to the hospital and i said i was going to be alone for another one, My sister was there and she told me that she would come with me this time but i told her no make my boyfriend come and he did i had a long labour but i then had a baby dream_comments: what exactly does this mean, I had my cords tied 5 years ago and i did have 2 pregnancy's alone, But what does that have to do with it ,, Thanks comments: 481-015 __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 481-006 Subject: miscarriage dream_title: miscarriage dream_date: 5/22/02 dream_text: the other night i had a dream that my friend and i were pregnant together. than one day out of the blue she comes over to my house that she had a miscarriage. i am 4 months pregnant now. that is my worst fear. is having a miscarriage. Comments: 481-013, 482-002 __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 481-007 Subject: weird dreams about famous people dream_title: weird dreams about famous people dream_date: 29/05/02 dream_text: I keep having dreams featuring famous people, who are in my dreams nearly every night. They are just like friends in my dream. The celebrities and myself aren't involved in anything unusual, just normal daily activities. I don't feel phased by them being there. It feels as normal as if a friend were present. Comments: 481-011, 481-014 __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 481-008 Subject: Savage dream_title: Savage dream_date: 05-28-02 dream_text: The manager of a dark an old building, was a horrible and old man. I met him since he was younger. He had old women and little girls shut in the building. He beat them with a whip, like they were his slaves. I saw when he did it, and believe me it was horrible. Then he told strong words to one of them, and she was crying. Comments: 481-016 __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 481-009 Subject: Dark Skies dream_date: 5/29/02 dream_text: STrange strange dream but it started where I was on the phone talking with someone, trying to explain to them the weather I was experiencing. It basically was very cloudy (dark dark skies) and I was explaining it to someone on the other end of the phone by saying that it was as if there were a bunch of people surrounding me from above with a huge blanket or cover of some sort and they were trying to cover me with that cover. I could see people standing in a circle looking down at me...however, within my dream this was not actually happening...it was what I was using to explain how the skies were "closing in" with darkness.(meaning, I could see that image in my dream but I knew somehow that it wasn't actually happening, it was just something of my imagination so I could describe the skies to the person on the other end of the phone) Then..to the left by the horizon I could see 2 or 3 tornadoes and I thought to myself that if they touch ground, I didn't have to worry. One (very skinny) tornado did indeed touch ground and dirt, etc. was exploding..but again, this was at a a distance. Suddenly I realized we (the people I was with???) needed to run for cover somewhere so we headed down into what semed to be a basement, to hide under a staircase or something. THat is all I remember. dream_comments: What on earth could something like that mean?? comments: 481-017 __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 481-010 Subject: Scene at My uncles dream_title: Scene at My uncles dream_date: 5/30/02 Dream: my uncle had died and I was at his house. I seen my little sister and all my cousins getting out of a car while my uncles wife held the door open. My uncles wife was talking to me like it wasn't bad that my uncle was dead and I was crying.then I was on a road and my oldest sisters car came in my head like a vision and passed by me and I don't know how but I knew my sister and my nephew were dead, in an accident. All during the dream I was crying like it was really happening and I felt the pain that I would feel if it had really happened. I woke up and started crying. I still felt the hurt I felt in my dream. Comments: 482-001 __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 481-011 [481-007] Subject: Re: weird dreams about famous people Hi There, I just wanted to tell you I went through a phaze like this a few months ago....I had dreams about several different famous musicians for a span of two or three weeks. I don't know why, and it didn't last. My thought at the time was maybe it was because I'm a musician too. I ocasionally have dreamed about famous people all through my life, but never like that one period where I dreamed about Bonnie Riatt (who I love) Phil Collins (who I'm not as fond of, at least as a singer) and several others over that short period. Don't know what it means, just thought I'd share it with you. __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 481-012 [481-004] Subject: Re: My Conscience Is Running Away From Me? Do things sometimes happen in your house that you can't explain? Your house really might be literally haunted. That voice you were hearing might have been the ghost trying to make him/herself known, maybe trying to tell you how they died or why they're in the house. __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 481-013 [481-006] Subject: Re: miscarriage Your dream was just reflecting your fear. Is your friend pregnant? If not, you might have been trying to calm yourself by saying that you're just as likely to have a miscarriage as she is. But just to be safe, I'd stay off your feet more and eat enough to keep the baby growing. A lot of times the first baby leads to a miscarriage, because the new mother isn't sure how her body would react to pregnancy. If you're really worried about it, don't go out walking or running, or doing any yoga. There are a lot of women who miscarry due to too much exercise. Going out shopping is enough. Any doctor who tells you different is the kind that waits until you miscarry to order you to stay in bed. __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 481-014 [481-007] Subject: Re: weird dreams about famous people Some people say "A dream is a wish your heart makes." But some people become so relaxed when they are asleep that their dreams aren't necessarily what they want, just whatever would make them feel content enough not to worry all night. Your dram sounds like that. It's very pleasant, and you don't wake up actually wanting it, you just wonder why the heck you dreamed it. __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 481-015 [481-005] Subject: Re: sharebear Maybe even though your tubes have been tied, you might still want another child. Your boyfriend, however, might not. But the dream could also be turned around. Does your sister have a boyfriend or a husband? It's possible that she's pregnant or might be soon. __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 481-016 [481-008] Subject: Re: Savage Did you have a troublesome childhood? I did, and it was for that reason that I used to have dreams like yours. Dreams like that also reflect worry over various trivial matters that you might want to confront to sleep better at night. Yes, I did say trivial. Even the smallest worries can cause nightmares if there's more than one of those worries. __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 481-017 [481-009] Subject: Re: Dark Skies In dreams tornados generally represent disaster. That darkness sounds like a very bad situation that you were not aware was going to turn into a disaster. You also said that you were describing it as "people covering you with a dark blanket". That sounds like negativity, which probably had caused the situation. Are you around a lot of pessimistic people? If you are, it could be affecting you in a bad way. __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 481-018 Subject: unusual dream Maybe one of you can help me with this dream. Let me explain my current situation first before I tell you about my dream. Up until March, my best friend from kindergarten [anme removed] was my roomate for the last 2 years. She moved out so my bf and I could have our own place. Since she's left, I haven't spoken to her. She lives in the same apt. complex but never comes by or calls. I think she is upset with me for some reason. I've also recently had my kitchen tile redone. Now that you have this bit of info, let me tell you my dream. My dream: I dreamt that [name removed] and her current Bf were here in my apt. I don't know why she was here, but it wasn't to see me. Things were really awkward at first. We began talking about a framed poster I had in my hand and I was deciding where to put it. I didn't want her to think that some of my walls were still empty from when she left. We were in my kitchen and in the corner, by my bathroom, the tile was ripped up and showing concrete. My toilet was missing in my bathroom and the hole where it used to be was sealed up with plaster. I kept telling her, "we're remodeling, my toilet should be back soon" but I really didn't know why my toilet was gone. I felt like I couldn't show her how I ws living. I wanted her to think that my life was perfect. Then, it jumped from this to us all being in Las Vegas. I was there with co-workers for a work vacation. All my co-workers and I were sliding down what ws supposed to be an escalator, but had no stairs. We were all lying on the floor with our luggage and I remember asking a co-worker if [name removed] was supposed to be there.(she doesn't work with me, so in real life she wouldn't be at any of my work functions) I felt really awkward. Even though in the beginning of this dream we had talked, this part of it, I hadn't seen her since she moved out. Someone said yes she is and then I saw her and her Bf sliding down the "escalator". The almost superior/too good to talk to you feeling felt mutual between us. Then the dream jumped to our apt. complex but it wasn't really our apt. complex. It was supposed to be the resort we were staying at. They were in they're apt. and I was walking by the back and looking through the window at them. Her apt. was really nice with huge fish tanks and plants everywhere. [name removed], her bf, and a few of our neighbors were all sitting in there laughing and having a good time. I felt left out and betrayed. I suddenly felt like they were going to catch me so I ran off. I woke up after this with a really weird feeling. If any of you have any insight on this dream it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 481-019 Subject: Lillian A couple of nights ago I kept having this dream over and over again that people I didn't know were walking up to me in the most bizarre places and giving me gift wrapped boxes. They might have said who the gifts were from, but I don't remember. I was excited every time, but every time the box was empty. Each time I would see an empty box, I would leave the dream and eventually I would be back in it again getting another box. Can someone please tell me what this means? [name removed] __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 481-020 Subject: Violent Games dream_title: Violent Games dream_date: 5/30/02 dream_text: I've had a couple violent dreams recently, but one has really been bothering me. It was set on the balcony of a creepy, old mansion. There was someone having a contest with three little kids. Each of the kids had to do something that the man told them to do. I don't remember what the first one did. The second kid had to take an awl and shove it into his head once. Lastly the third had a retractable awl and had to shove it into his head three times. __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 482-001 [481-010] Subject: Re: Scene at My uncles Sometimes dreams allow us to fully feel emotions we're not recognizing in our waking life. If you have lost something or had to give up something, some activity, say,then this dream is allowing you to mourn that loss. __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 482-002 [481-006] Subject: Re: miscarriage Hi: For me dreams of miscarriages represent lost opportunities. If I'm pregnant and dream of losing the baby, I can be pretty sure that in reality I won't have a miscarriage, but I may want to consider the possibilities I have consciously renounced to in order to have a child. They will probably seem pale when I hold my baby in my arms for the first time. Blessings. [name removed] __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 482-003 [481-001] Subject: Re: Nightmare Maybe that is it. Someone asked me how I could have a nightmare without fear? It is hard to explain. But perhaps you are right:-) Thanx [name removed] __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 482-004 #ed.note: message removed non-dream post# __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 482-005 #ed.note: message removed non-dream post# __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 483-001 [481-003] Subject: Re: Speaking In Toungs maybe your worried bout not getting the luanguage right and finding the right answers,you look and look and you still cannnot find them. just some advice. __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 483-002 [481-004] Subject: Re: My Conscience Is Running Away From Me? thats strange, I had the same prob, I was told I'd run out of energy soon or something like that, and that is the day before I asked a question,and when I do ask a question by writing it on paper, I get a strange voice in my head too, I dont understand it __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 483-003 [481-004] Subject: Re: My Conscience Is Running Away From Me? In reaction to [name removed]'s comment, I had a friend once who would hear voices every time she looked in the mirror. She believed that they were spirits and looking in the mirror made it easier for her to hear them. I would have to think really hard for a really long time for me to hear any. Everyone's brain processes thoughts differently. But dreams are the one time that you're most capable of hearing them, because the brain just doesn't follow it's normal pattern. The pattern for every dream is different too. __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 484-001 [481-004] Subject: Re: My Conscience Is Running Away From Me? ya, that's neat, thanks for the information :) I know what you mean, and I think thats very special to hear spirits talking. __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 484-002 [481-004] Subject: Re: My Conscience Is Running Away From Me? ya, I think that's special to hear something like that, maybe your friend too,can ask a question and look at the mirror and hear a response, maybe the person is watching over,and in your dreams, you can do the same. :) __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 485-001 Subject: nightmare on oak st I had a strange dream last night that I was on vacation with people that I didn't know and some of them I knew and didn't particularly want to be around. But we were in this building, I think it was an auditorium in a grammar school. Every time I would be alone, I would see Freddy Krueger flashing his nails at me. I kept giving him things so he would like me and not want to kill me. It worked, every time he was around I would give him some kind of gift and run away. Then he would chase someone, never me, and disappear. But after a while he went nuts and started going after everyone in sight. All of us in that place gathered together and locked doors hoping it would keep him out for a while. Then a look-a-like (someone who could pass as freddy's twin) strolled in. The only difference between this guy and Freddy was that this guy wasn't disfigured. He was really bewildered and demanded to know what was going on. I was about to tell him when he looked out the window and saw Freddy trashing what seemed to be some sort of resale shop. He said something around the lines of "For Goodness Sake, Not Again", and took off after Freddy. I stood around for a few minutes, I don't remember what I was doing. Then I looked out the window to see him sitting on a bench next to Freddy, who's head was hanging down as if he wanted to cry, and the guy was talking him through it. Then the dream was over. All through my childhood I would have nightmares about Freddy Krueger and I never saw the movies. Nothing else ever scared me in such a way, not Jason from Friday the 13th, not Michael Myers, from Halloween. When I became tired of the nightmares, I decided to picture myself actually killing Freddy while I was wide awake. It worked, until a few months ago. Then they just started up again. This dream was the weirdest, that's why I shared it. Can anyone tell me what this means, or even relate to it? [name removed] __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 485-002 #ed.note: post removed - malicious content# __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 485-003 #ed.note: message removed non-dream post# __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 486-001 Subject: Dinosaurs dream_title: Dinosaurs dream_date: 6-1-02 dream_text: In this dream a group of people (some of which i know)and I are running from dinosaurs. At first it's almost a game in which we all enjoy participating although some people are caught and killed. It consists of a series of patterns and moves that ensure our escape and safety. I decide to omit one pattern (rescuing a lost puppy) and find myself unable to escape while the others watch. I know that if I let the puppy go that will probably divert the dinosaurs, but I don't do it. I'm able to hide underwater for a few minutes undetected but am eventually found by flying dinosaurs and electric eels. I know if I emerge from the "pool" i'll either face the dinosaurs or the people controlling them. I get out of the pool and decide to fight these people but they overcome me and start spraying me with acid. This is when I wake up and almost feel the pain of the acid. And no, I didn't have any funky food before I went to bed. dream_comments: The pain I feel on my arm is what woke me up and I could still feel remnants of the pain as I lay in bed awake. I wasn't cutting off circulation because I was lying flat on my back with my arms out to my sides. I'm more interested in the possible meaning of this dream than I am in the cause of the pain. . .although an explanation of that would be interesting as well. __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 486-002 Subject: dont remember dream_date: dont remember dreamer_name: lenawink@fastmail.fm dream_text: i felt like trying to make something appear. so i spin around wishing for bud in my pocket when i stop. i stopped, no bud. then i walk to a picnic, look around, there a huge bag of buds on the ground. i bend down to pick some up, a man sitting on the table near says, " thats not yours, its mine." i ask if i can have some, he asks for ten dollars. i check my pocket for cash and find ten dollars. i get weed and i find a bong with a stem thats too big. i then start walking down the trail into the woods, see some wild creature, realize its a big wolf. i start seeing a few of them, looking mean with huge sharp teeth. i panic, then realize what i have to do, i look at my hands till i can spin, i stop, then start floating up into the sky. i look around, there are bright lights red white, all beautiful colors, super bright. its a carnival, i look straight ahead and there are huge mountains, amazing snow covered mountains right there. i fly higher and higher till all i can see below me is water, its the ocean. im in the ocean. with nothing but water for miles and miles. i wish for a ship. i bump into something, look around, its a ship. i grab onto a rope ladder that appears on the side, climb up to the top its narrow. i see a midget sized peg leg pirate silor man. he says "who are you? you dont belong here." i thought he was going to kick me off, but instead he takes me to shore and wishes me happiness. i kept "waking up" and looking at the clock which always said 9:30. all i remember when i "woke up" i looked out my front door and the ground was covered in the years first snow in the end of august. dream_comments: this was a dream i had a while ago, but it was the most vivid and lucid dream ive had where i could make things appear, and was not afraid of anything. please use my email. __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 486-003 Subject: unusual childbirth dream_title: unusual childbirth dream_date: 5/30/02 dream_text: I had this dream that I was giving birth to twins and I needed a c section. The baby girl came out fine, except for the fact that she needed a heart monitor. The boy was pushing the cervix, though, for natural childbirth. The obstitrician on staff sent me to a "specialist" for this. I was wheeled to a different wing with my belly still cut open, and I didn't feel any pain. I hadn't felt anything at all, just fear for the baby. When the boy was born, I held him and I felt much closer to him than the girl, even though you wouldn't think anyone would notice at that point in time. Then I suddenly found myself sitting at home, wondering where my kids were. I remember thinking at the time that they were still in the hospital and not big enough to be sent home. I tried to call but I couldn't get through. I was screaming that if I didn't call the hospital someone was going to take my kids away from me for neglect. Then I woke up. dream_comments: I have a friend who is pregnant, or at least she was the last time I talked to her about it. She has various health problems and her obstitrician told her that he is going to order a c section two months before the baby is due. He said that she (the baby) might not survive, but if my friend carries the baby full term my friend might not survive. Now my friend is a twin, but I was more attached to the boy in this dream and she was told during an ultrasound that she's definitely having a girl. __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 486-004 Subject: holding on dream_title: holding on dream_date: 6/3/02 dream_text: my dream began lastnight. in this dream, a former male that i had been dating was holding onto me in the middle of a parking lot. the male now has another girlfriend, but in the dream, it didn't seem as if we were being pulled apart, but that we were being brought together. the dream ended after we located my vehicle dream_comments: what could this dream mean. could it mean that we will be brought back together? __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 486-005 Subject: waves crashing the movie dream_title: waves crashing the movie dream_date: 6/4/02 dream_text: in my dream i was in a movie theatre with a guy. all of a sudden there was a huge panic right as a huge wave was coming in from what appeared to literally be the sky. before the man and i had a chance to escape, the wave entered the theatre and began to fill up the room. luckily we were able to make it outside, but just as we were coming to the surface, the dream ended and i was awakened by the sound of a ringing telephone. dream_comments: what could this dream be trying to tell me? __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 486-006 Subject: Crash dream_title: Crash dream_date: 6-3-02 dream_text: Ok, my dream begins at my childhood home, where i lived from the age of 4-14. I was having people over and a girl from my highschool class was driving a huge Lincoln towncar up my driveway. She was late coming to the party so i told her to park by our garage. well she kept going and fell off the end of the driveway into the ditch behind. I just stood there motionless. It was very random for this girl to appear in my dream. Next i went to go check on the girl and her passengers, and the ditch turned in a lake and her car turned into a coffin, floating on the lake. My backyard somehow surrounds the lake and my backyard turned into Tuscany...then i wake up. __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 486-007 Subject: Love Lost dream_title: Love Lost dream_date: 06-04-02 dream_text: I had a very real and vivid Dream of my Boyfriend that passed almost two years ago. I dreamed that I couldn't believe anyone he was alive until I seen him. He took his time telling me how much he has missed me and how much he loved me. I couldn't let go of him throughout the dream. We were running away from old friends and family. As though If he gets caught we couldn't be together anymore. I made sure going through cemetaries that He said the lords prayer together. So, the thing I'm not sure what wouldn't get him. We jumped into a flowing river together to outrun them ( I'm afraid of deep dark water) It didn't matter We had to get away. We reached the shore together I laid in his arms and stared into his eyes as I told him how much I love and miss him. He said he is always with me and loves me dearly dream_comments: . I awoke just then. I haven't dreamed about him since a couple of weeks after he passed. He was real in my dreams both times I just know it. But, I wish I knew what the dream ment. __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 486-008 Subject: The Flying Ball Contest dream_title: The Flying Ball Contest dream_date: June 4, 2002 dream_text: I was in Japan, at a beautiful house, when I soon found out I was a competitor in the ball walking contest. You had to keep rolling on top of your ball for a week, travelling through all of Japan. It was amazing, you would fly and then, land and bounce up and down...I was very good at the start. then, people placed bets that I would win as I moved to first place. I was about to roll by one of my competetitors who had already lost his ball. It was my Grandpa. He evilly grabbed my ball and threw it down below...into teh clouds. I was so mad, I wanted to kill him. How could he have done such a thing to me? I sat down and because I had already lost the race. I started to eat Dim Sum. dream_comments: Please use my Real Name: Sophie Celeste. __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 486-009 Subject: pet cat in school bus dream_title: pet cat in school bus dream_date: 06/6/02 dream_text: i was waiting to get on my bus when i saw my cat,kitty, standing by my bus stop. i asked her if she wanted to go home and she meowed and, what seemed to be, nodded. i picked her up and got on my bus and payed. i sat down and kitty tried to get away she kept biting me and running away. she ran upstairs to the upper level of the bus and all the people up there were watvhing movies about people killing each other with knifes and they were trying to kill each other like the movies so i grabbed her and ran down stairs. then there was this old woman on the bus and she took kitty and said i cant look after her and said she would take her ome with her. i let her have her for a bit and sat down for a bit. then nearer my stop i asked if i could have her back, she said no, so i said i would ring my mum and see what she says cause its her cat so she gave me her back. then i said i would let her go when we get to a road she knows, and that i should have catched another bus. dream_comments: please tell me what this dream means as this isnt the first time i ve seen kitty in a dream at school __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 486-010 Subject: northern flight dream_title: northern flight dream_date: June 4th 2002 dream_text: I was in a boat that was flying. Although I was not driving the boat, I knew the driver (don't know who it was in real life) We went from the water to the air, and it was in the north for there were beautiful mountains and snow and ice, although I was not cold at all. It was very beautiful and wonderful- very enjoyable. I did comment that there was a frost (I live in the farm country and am very tied to the weather), and laughed at the fact that ofcourse there was a frost. __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 486-011 Subject: The Watchers dream_title: The Watchers dream_date: 6/4/02 dream_text: Had a dream I was with some friends & the DEA was spying on us everywhere we went. I remember in my dream coming home, & they were hiding around every coner. dream_comments: Wonder why I would have a dream like this & what it's suppose to be trying to tell me. __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 486-012 Subject: My Dad Stabbed Me dream_title: My Dad Stabbed Me dream_date: 3/5/2002 dream_text: It takes place in a field near my home. Me and my two friends are being chased by my dad and so we hide behind a rock. He looms over us at the top of the rock and in a flash he is standing infront of us and my terrified friends desert me. My dad then starts to stab me in my chest and abdominal area. Next minute i am back at home in my bedroom. My sisters head pokes through the ajar door. She asks me what is wrong and i say "Dad stabbed me " she tells me to stop being silly and that my dad is next to her wanting to know what is wrong. I shout at her showing her my wounds with blood spooled out all over the floor then it ends. dream_comments: This is strange as I have a fairly good relationship with my dad he left My mum, sister and I when i was 18 months which is over 15 years ago. This is one in a series of dreams I have had in the past six months concerning my dad and I having either a fatal relationship or a sexual relationship. Comments: 487-001 __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 486-013 Subject: Documentary dream_title: Documentary dream_date: 6/23/02 dream_text: First of all, i should give some background. See, my mother gave birth to my oldest sister, then another little girl: [name removed]. She tragically died of SIDS a month and a day before her first birthday, however. Then i was born followed by another sister. Okay. I dreamt that i was up at my grandparents' cabin, up north. I was on the couch watching a documentary on TV. The thing is, it was about my family. I've seen things about my ancestors on TV before (old New England family... don't ask), but this seemed to be about my immediate family. More specifically, it was talking about my mom, dad, and Margaret. It showed a picture, and they seemed to be in rather old-fashioned clothes. They did a close-up on my mother and started to talk about her. They labeld her an eccentric, which is strange, because in the waking world her sister is, but she really isn't. Then they started talking badly about her... casting a morbid glow over her and making her sound... almost EVIL. Then they made it out so that it was my mother's fault that Margaret had died. Immediately upset, i went out to the old wooden porch to find my mother and tell her what had happened. I found her, sitting on the porch, holding a baby. In my dream, i thought nothing of it, though there are currently no babies in our family. I told her that they called her an eccentric, and she laughed. Then i was about to tell her about the accusations they had made... And i woke up. You guys, this is really bothering me. I know that it's not my mom's fault that my sister died, it's obvious. But then why did i have this dream? See... i've been through quite a lot this past year and been depressed for longer than that. But i just got a new boyfriend and a new band, got rid of some bad habits, and i'm finally HAPPY for the first time in a long while. But the thing about the morbid mother... have i passed my sadness onto my mom? I would hate to do that... i love her way too much to want to make her sad. Sometimes i do feel guilty for being the next born after Margaret, if that helps any. And my mom says that out of all of her children, she thinks Margaret would have looked and acted the most like me. Can anyone help me with this? I would really like to know... dream_comments: HELP!!! PLEASE!!!!!! comments: 486-014, 487-004 __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 486-014 [486-013] Subject: Re: Documentary Hi [name removed]: Don't know why, but I have the rather fanky feeling that the documentary was about a past life of your mother's in which she caused the death of her child, and then had another baby. It seems that in this life she had to pay her debt with [name removed]'s death, and then you brought her joy again! __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 487-001 [486-012] Subject: Re: My Dad Stabbed Me I had similar dreams when my parents split up a long time ago. usually this stuff falls into Freudian categories really easily, you may look in to that. Are either of your parents started seeing somebody in the last six months? [name removed] __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 487-002 Subject: chase dream_title: chase dream_date: recurring for last few months dream_text: Ok.... I can never remember the beginning of this dream, all I know is I'm walking down a really long dark tunnel, like an old railway tunnel. Even in my dream I know this is stupid and probably a bit dangerous. I look around and I can see spots of light on the ground which i assume comes from air vents in the roof of the tunnel. It makes me think that it's daylight outside. The tunnel is cool and balmy and I feel myself begin to sweat. I have a great imagination and i start to get myself frightened, so I begin to walk faster. Suddenly from behind me i hear a splash, like someone has stepped in a puddle of water. I spin around but I can't see anyone. I can hear footsteps behind me. I speed up. The footsteps also speed up, keeping pace with me. I start to run, I can hear him (?) running behind me. I'm running as fast as I can but he's gaining on me. I can't breathe no matter how hard I try and I'm crying. I feel him grab my shoulder and pull me close to him. Then I wake up. dream_comments: I wake up from this dream crying and scared. I know people think chasing dreams are about procrastination but i honestly don't think this one is. It leaves me feeling cold and hollow and for the rest of the day after I've had it I feel on edge. I'm scared of it. And I'm scared of going to sleep at night in case I have it. Can anyone help me figure out what it means or stop it?? Please? Comments: 487-003, 488-002 __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 487-003 [487-003] Subject: Re: chase Dear [name removed], This dream can be caused by a physical anxiety attack in your sleep. You feel the tension mount and you begin to breathe faster, which reinforces the dream until you wake up. Are you having anxiety attacks during the day? That would be a good indication that this is what's happening. Try relaxing with sloww breathing before going to sleep, and use that technique of relaxing different parts of your body, and this might be enough to rid you of that excess tension. __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 487-004 [486-013] Subject: Re: Documentary Dear [name removed], This is similar to many dreams I've had in that it is a family dream. When we come from self-aware families our dreams often reflect our relatives and when we are stressed we tend to see our relatives in our dreams. You say you have made all these good changes in your life, but that tells me there is still some stress. You are getting used to being happy and beleive me, relatives are the first to interfere. So old family patterns are coming out, in distorted form, in your dream. I wouldn't worry about it if I were you, just enjoy your life as you have it set up and let the relatives in the dreams gradually fade away. -[name removed] Message: 488-001 Subject: Spongebob dream_title: The Mirror dream_date: 5/29/02 dream_text: My friend Danielle and I were in a room together. In the room there was this mirror there and there was a picture of a guy kind of stuck there, he was really short to. We broke the mirror into pieces, and then I took the piece out where his heart was and said "there nows his heartless", and gave it to Danielle as said that. But it wasnt a good thing at all that he was heartless.And then Danielle took out the piece where his leg was and said "there now his legless" and she handed me the piece. that was it that was when i woke up. dream_comments: When i gave Danielle the heart, it kind of felt like a bad thing. Not towards the guy a bad thing towards Danielle. It wasnt a good thing to have his heart or his leg, it was like we were insulting eachother with it. Comments: 488-003 ____________________________________________________________ Message: 488-002 [487-002] Subject: Re: chase It sounds like the man in your dream represents something or someone you have forgotten and you're feeling that you should remember. Your dream was probably your conscience trying to solve a really old problem. ____________________________________________________________ Message: 488-003 [488-001] Subject: Re: Spongebob Have you and Danielle been fighting lately? Whether you were or not, sometimes the things that people say to each other every day can be hurting their feelings and neither of them wants to say anything. It can be something simple, like you looking at a pretty girl when you're with her, or her being more sensitive than you can understand. That could have been what the dream meant. You were both tearing each other apart. Mirrors only show what's in front of them. ____________________________________________________________ Message: 488-004 Subject: Teeth falling out dream_title: Teeth falling out dream_date: 06/06/02 dream_text: I had a very vivid and disturbing dream where my teeth kept falling out. They would be fracturing in my mouth or they would become wobbly and I would eventually spit them into my hand, hoping that it would stop, and feeling relief that it would, but it didnt. dream_comments: This dream was particularly vivid and I actually woke up thinking I didnt have any teeth, except my front ones left. Can you help me interpret this - I am at a loss. Comments: 488-005 ____________________________________________________________ Message: 488-005 [488-004] Subject: Re: Teeth falling out I remember reading more than once that dreams of teeth falling out are a symbol of loss of control. Maybe there is a situation in your life you feel you are losing control over. Hope that helps. ____________________________________________________________ Message: 489-001 Subject: Girlfriend Kills Me dream_title: Girlfriend Kills Me dream_date: Re-acurring dream_text: I am having re-acurring dreams about my girlfriend cheating on me. We are very close, and are considering marriage. Once we both complete college. In the dreams we are often having sex (we haven't yet) and then she will get a knife or my gun and shoot me. Other times she ties me to a tree, and burns me. With she has sex with other men. During the dreams it feels real, i can feel the heat. One night I woke up with a knife to my throat. I am not suicidal. and i do not need to go to a "looney bin." Please help. Comments: 489-002, 490-002 ____________________________________________________________ Message: 489-002 [489-001] Subject: Re: Girlfriend Kills Me Dear [name removed], You are certainly right that you do not need to go to a "looney bin". When you're facing a big moment like marriage, it would be abnormal NOT to have disturbing dreams. These dreams reflect the pent-up emotions and anxiety that are natural to this time of your life. You say you and your betrothed have not had sex yet. That is contributing to your anxiety, anticipation mixed with fear. All very normal. Death in a dream often symbolizes transformation. Your bride is about to transform you into a new man, a husband. Killing off your old self. Not to worry. The rewards of a loving marriage are many, and you have those rewards ahead of you. Relax! ____________________________________________________________ Message: 490-001 Subject: cheating dream_title: cheating dream_date: june 9 2002 dream_text: went t0 the house and find my boyfriend whit a girl on the bed we fight comments: 490-003 ____________________________________________________________ Message: 490-002 [490-002] Subject: Re: Girlfriend Kills Me Could it be possible that you don't want to marry your girlfriend? Or maybe you're not ready for marriage just yet? That's one thing that could cause that kind of dream. ___________________________________________________________ Message: 490-003 [490-001] Subject: Re: cheating Your dream sounds like one fof those dreams that reflect your innermost fears. You're probably so close to your boyfriend that you're becoming a little insecure about his feelings for you. ____________________________________________________________ Message: 490-004 Subject: RED CAPE OWL dream_title: RED CAPE OWL dream_date: 06/06/2002 dream_text: I had a dread that the sky was pretty and I looked up and there was a huge owl with a red cape floating in the air. Comments: 491-001 ____________________________________________________________ Message: 490-005 #ed.note: message removed non-dream post# ____________________________________________________________ Message: 491-001 [490-004] Subject: Re: RED CAPE OWL You know the whole idea of your dream reminds me of a nocturnal form of Little Red Riding Hood. ___________________________________________________________ Message: 491-002 Subject: [name removed] (my crush) dream_title: [name removed] (my crush) dream_date: 5/11/02 dream_text: Me and [name removed](one of my friends) were playing at [name removed]'s house(my other friend)and [name removed] came and said to me "will you marry me and I'm only 10?" I siad "yes" and I siad to him "I love you."And then my dad woke me up. dream_comments: I was really sad becuase it was just a dream! ____________________________________________________________ Message: 491-003 #ed.note: post removed (repeated post)# ____________________________________________________________ Message: 491-004 #ed.note: post removed (repeated post)# ____________________________________________________________ Message: 491-005 #ed.note: post removed (repeated post)# ____________________________________________________________ Message: 491-006 Subject: eyes stairrng dream_title: eyes stairrng dream_date: 06/11/02 dream_text: Bats looking down at me from my bedroom ceiling. ____________________________________________________________ Message: 491-007 Subject: Eating Soap dream_title: Eating Soap dream_date: 6/9/02 dream_text: I had a dream that I wa eating soap, but only the fruity kind. I rember that it tasted good and smelled like different kinds of fruit...raspberry, apple and mango.(Yes, I ate three bars) but the other types smelled like soap so I wouldn't eat them. (oatmeal,aloe, ect... My friend warned me I would get diharea, But I didn't. dream_comments: My mother washed my mouth out with soap. I am in the process of hiring a large number of staff for work. Comments: 492-001 ____________________________________________________________ Message: 491-008 Subject: i wish i was dead dream_title: i wish i was dead dream_date: the night before sept 11 dream_text: i have only just found this site, so i don't know if there have been alot of dreams like this, or hoaxes, but i am not a liar here... most of the dream is very vauge, and fragmented because dreams are usually hard to remember... from what i remember i was walking through a street, which kinda looked like what i would imagine egypt or somewhere sandy/dusty would look with some old friends which i had not seen in a while. After walking one way down a street, i found myself in a big car park with a huge glass building on one side (my friends where still there, i seem to remember them speaking but i cant remember for the life of me what it was they were saying). As i slowly approached the glass building it, *and i remember this bit soooo clearly* an airplane painted with the stars and stripes crashed into it... then i woke... the morning after, i felt like shit. i went out to delivered some things as a favour to a freind, when i arrived home i switched on the TV and saw my dream... it was like something from the X files or something, i was shaken up quite alot, and havent shared it with anyone really... i guess it's too late now... dream_comments: i have spoken to others who had simular dreams that same night, some dreamed they were inside a huge colpsing buildling... some had dreams like mine... i leave my e-mail here for others who have been touched by the events of sept 11th in any way, although i respectfully request you not send abuse or viruses *thank you* "El_Bristow@REMOVETOSENDhotmail.com" ____________________________________________________________ Message: 492-001 [491-007] Subject: Re: Eating Soap Do you have chronic illnesses, like colds, upper respiratory infections, asthma attacks, or maybe serious allergies? That's one thing that would make you feel the need to eat healthy food. You could also feel the need for that particular food group if you're having digestive problems. I'm wondering if maybe the fact that you didn't have diarrhea in your dream could be for that reason. I really don't want to be too specific here so hopefully you know what i mean. ___________________________________________________________ Message: 492-002 Subject: Moonlight walk dream_title: Moonlight walk dream_date: reoccuring dream_text: I have a reoccuring dream that I am walking along the tower of a large wooden castle set in the middle of the ocean. There is no land under or around the castle; it just rises out of the ocean. Also, there is no doors on the castle, only windows. It is nighttime and the sky is pitch black with no stars but it does have a large silver full moon hung low in the sky. As I walk I stare out at the moon's reflection on the ocean's calm rippling surface. Comments: 494-002 ____________________________________________________________ Message: 492-003 ed.note: post deleted (non-dream post)# ____________________________________________________________ Message: 492-004 ed.note: post deleted (non-dream post)# ____________________________________________________________ Message: 492-005 Subject: getting married dream_title: getting married dream_date: 061102 dream_text: i saw my self getting married with white man but he never show up in church but when everybody was gone.the whit man shoew up. and i was just crying and crying. and by the way i'm hispanic comments: 494-003 ____________________________________________________________ Message: 493-001 Subject: TORNADOS dream_title: TORNADOS dream_date: 6/8/02 dream_text: I was at my house and it was in the gunis book of world recards for the strongest house that nothing could knock down.It was made of bricks,cement,and glass for the windows.Well we (as in me ,mom,dad,my brothers and my best friends chyna and savanah)were waching the news and it said there would be over 10000 tornados on 67 tornado drive.(witch was our adress)Then belive it or not we were here in the safest place on earth during a tornado. And my parents told us it would be safer to go outside. So we went outside and tried to douge more then 10000 tornados. dream_comments: The wierd part is that it didn't even seem like a nightmare! Comments: 494-005 ____________________________________________________________ Message: 493-002 Subject: Two Falls in One Night dream_title: Two Falls in One Night dream_text: One night I dreamed I was running and I was heading straight for a cliff.I went off the cliff and I was falling and the ground below me turned into spikes.Just s I was about to hit them I woke up and it felt as if the bed was falling. I went back to sleep again and this time when I went off the cliff I fell in the water.It surrounded me cutting off my air.When I couldn't breahe completley I woke up and my face was in my pillow. dream_comments: I have these same dreams almost once a month.It's always the same thing and I always wake up before I hit the spikes.The weird thing is that was the first time I had both dreams in one night.I can't figure out why! Comments: 494-004 ____________________________________________________________ Message: 493-003 Subject: I dream. When I dream its usually about running from something.I never see what it is but I am running.I do sometimes get a falling feeling like I am falling threw empty space.I have had lunchs in my dreams with people like meg ryan who in real life would probally avoid me......more on dreaming later..... comments: 494-001, 494-006 ____________________________________________________________ Message: 494-001 [493-003] Subject: Re: I dream. I had running fearful dreams many years ago and it continued for quite awhile. It bugged me. I was told to confront it. But couldn't seem to. When I stopped running and confronted what it, it stopped reacurring. The upside was I felt strong the next day like I had a victory. [name removed] ____________________________________________________________ Message: 494-002 [492-002] Subject: Re: Moonlight walk All I know about full moons is that they mean and cause trouble. The full moon reflecting on the calm water could represent a problem that arises at the least expected moment. ____________________________________________________________ Message: 494-003 [492-005] Subject: Re: getting married I had that dream once, only when the guy didn't show up, my father, or someone I think was my father, made me get engaged to someone else. It was after that and after everyone left when the groom showed up. The whole dream got really confusing. ____________________________________________________________ Message: 494-004 [493-002] Subject: Re: Two Falls in One Night I can't say what falling in a dream means, but I've had a few falling dreams myself. It's amazing how a person always wakes up just before the dream turns fatal. And also how sometimes dreams tell you if you're uncomfortable. The part about you suffocating and then waking up with yoru face in the pillow reminds me of how sometimes I dream that everyone around me is using the bathroom and I wake up having to go. I do wish I had my dream dictionary on hand, though, that falling stuff sounds intriguing. ____________________________________________________________ Message: 494-005 [493-001] Subject: Re: TORNADOS Tornados represent disaster, and the fact that you weren't afraid meant that whatever may be coming or may be already happening is something that you're definitely strong enough to handle and you have no reason to worry. ____________________________________________________________ Message: 494-006 [493-003] Subject: Re: I dream. They say when you are running from something specific, you should try to remember to turn around during the dream and ask whoever or whatever you're running from what they want. After doing this, you usually wake up knowing exactly what the whole dram meant, no matter how confused you were in the dream. If you're running from nothing, it means that you're being too cautious with your life and you need to take more risks, even if it means facing things that you feel you may not be strong enough for. ____________________________________________________________ Message: 494-007 Subject: spreading my ashes dream_title: spreading my ashes dream_date: June 9, 2002 dream_text: My dream starts with me running through a beautiful yellow field, maybe wheat. I am exuberant, very happy and carefree, smiling and laughing and NUDE! My husband is running after me as I look back at him; a very pleasant, soothing and carefree feeling. Suddenly I look up to the left where there is an old, delapidated house, it is white and evident that it hasn't been painted in 30 years & in complete disrepair. I immediately see a man in the window in the top of the house. He is mean, scary, and frightening! I panic & immediately convince my husband to help me get rid of the evidence that we were ever there. I insisted that we pull the field up (& we did) like pulling a "wall-to-wall" carpet up from all corners of the a floor (in this case, the entire feild)and folded it over & and over like a blanket. Next, I'm still so frightened that he'll find out so I convince my husband that we MUST cremate my body and secretly spread the ashes over plants and in soil of some sort of green house. As my husband & I are spreading my ashes I notice that the ashes are not normal looking, instead it looks like tiny peices of paper stuck together, something like you might find from a mouse or squirrel nest. I was afraid during the dream but also disconnected or "numb". It didn't seem unordinary or odd that I was spreading my ashes. dream_comments: The house is the house I grew up in, I remember the field close to my house. The man is my step-father who was horribly physically abusive. I have had similar dreams in the past about dying and secretly geeting rid of my body before he or anyone else found out. Comments: 494-008, 494-009, 495-001 ____________________________________________________________ Message: 494-008 [494-007] Subject: Re: spreading my ashes Perhaps you saw yourself as dirty or unclean, unloveable or unworthy. Its sounds like you suffered a lot. I think running through a feild naked is a sign of real freedom. The yellow something radiant new and beautiful. Your new life with your husband must be wonderful for you till you remember the past. Its ok to feel free. Your dream is amazing and directive. Burn up the images of the old you. Its the past. Spread the ashes and no longer be ashamed. The beautiful radiant new you is your inheritance. You are worthy,loveable and wonderful. > ____________________________________________________________ Message: 494-009 [494-007] Subject: Re: spreading my ashes I'm not a dream interperater by any means, but this dream sounds to me like you still have many issues around the abuse you suffered during childhood that need to be explored..perhaps through therapy, or maybe even journaling on your own. It sounds like maybe these awful memories come up at the most innoppertune times...here you are running naked through a field, carefree, having a peaceful happy day with your husband, and you run smack dab into your old house with your abusive stepfather in it, watching for you, waiting for some sign of you so he can hurt you again. It's not enough for you to leave the area, you feel you need to erase every sign that you were ever in existance, not only remove the field you were running in, but even destroying your body and hiding the ashes by way of scattering them. Psychologically speaking, it's common for victims of abuse to not want any sense of self, to not look in mirrors, to not define their own personalities very well. It seems some part of you would rather not have existed than to have suffered such outrages at the hands of an adult who should have been loving toward you. If you are able, next time you dream, try to realise you are dreaming. This is called "lucid dreaming", where the dreamer is aware that they are asleep and dreaming within the dream. Some people can do it easily by telling themselves before falling asleep "I will know I'm dreaming tonight within my dream." Some people like me only get a gift of a lucid dream now and then, no matter how hard we try. The point I am getting to is...this is YOUR dream. You are not a child any more, and this person can't hurt you now. In YOUR dream, you don't have to run or hide from this creep. You can deal with him as you see fit. In your dream, you are the director, you are in control. You can curse him out, laugh at him, burn his house down if you want. It's time for you to own your whole life and give this man no more power over you. I'm not a therapist, and most dreams, though I enjoy reading them, I never respond to. But something about yours touched me and told me to tell you to try this approach. Best of luck and thank you for sharing such a painful experience. ____________________________________________________________ Message: 494-010 Subject: wonder ... dream_title: wonder ... dream_date: 8/6-2oo2 dream_text: I was i a jungle with the most beautiful birds in the world all the colours were so strong and emotional .... i had this white feather every were i was even when i changed dream... i't was a world of harmony .. dream_comments: the thing was that this dream was the night i became 20 .. so some how i think it had it's meaning comments: 495-002, 495-006 ____________________________________________________________ Message: 494-011 Subject: marring a old man with lots of money dream_title: marring a old man with lots of money dream_date: 6/14/02 dream_text: I was marring a old man with lots of money. When I told my parents that I was getting married they told me is that what u want to do.the thing was I was wearing a purple dress and shoes.when I was getting married I had my period.and my fiance was worried about my cramps.it was taken care of by my bridal party. My dress was beautiful. White that came down on the shoulders. Then after the marriage my husband ask me if when are we going to have kids.I said not yet. Then my sister brought me a cake for my graduation. dream_comments: MY MOTHER SAID THat my dream means that someone is going to die. Comments: 495-003 ____________________________________________________________ Message: 494-012 Subject: dreams Had a dream last night about looking for my 57 chev.I looked everywhere and could not find it.I seem to be searching for something.Could it be myself.......who knows.....[name removed] comments: 495-004 ____________________________________________________________ Message: 494-013 Subject: Theft dream_title: Theft dream_date: 6/13/02 dream_text: I was in a movie theater, using an ATM machine. The screen of the machine was huge, when I scanned my card, it displayed all my personal information. A lady came up beside me and started writing down all my information. When I tried to stop her, another lady stole my purse. I tried to chase her and the dream jumped to a later time. This time I was trying to make a purchase at a KMart store when my card was declined. I called the bank and they said my balance was $0 when it should have been over $1000. Then I woke up. dream_comments: I was under no stress at the time of this dream. I was at home, alone and comfortable in my bed at the time. Comments: 495-005, 495-007 ____________________________________________________________ Message: 495-001 [494-007] Subject: Re: spreading my ashes Your stepfather must have been a really scary man. It sounds like you were afraid he was going to kill you. ____________________________________________________________ Message: 495-002 [494-010] Subject: Re: wonder ... You must be happy about your age. Your dream represents a lot of freedom, but wherever you go you seem to take your best memories with you. That's the best way to live. ____________________________________________________________ Message: 495-003 [494-011] Subject: Re: marring a old man with lots of money I don't think that anyone is necessarily going to die, but it sounds like there have been a lot of signifigant changes in your life. Sometimes when there are a lot of changes people tend to wonder what'll happen next, what will become of them. You're probably still in that phase where you don't know what you're going to do with your future so you're dreaming things as an easier way to rule them out. ____________________________________________________________ Message: 495-004 [494-012] Subject: Re: dreams Maybe you're searching for yourself, or maybe you need a change in your life. I would try doing something I've never done before, or in your case, something I never would have wanted to do in the year 1957. ____________________________________________________________ Message: 495-005 [494-013] Subject: Re: Theft Nobody feels stressed when they're dreaming about stress. That's what makes dreams so safe. It sounds like you're fearing money problems. Like I said, somethimes people dream about their stressors so they won't seem as bad during the day. ____________________________________________________________ Message: 495-006 [494-010] Subject: Re: wonder ... > Birds speak about blessings. A jungle is mysterious, but if no one knows you are there then its really safe. Did you see the white feather as a sign of your own purity or cleansing. Or were you holding it on behalf of another who was pure. Like the dove of the Holy Spirit. Peace, Safety and Hope are wonderful allies. Harmony and balance also walk hand in hand. I believe you have a lot to offer the world, and I pray you will reap the benifits of it. ____________________________________________________________ Message: 495-007 [494-013] Subject: Re: Theft If we look at our dreams in clusters we can sometimes see a theme. This one seems to suggest financial pressure. Though you have savings its not enough when you need it. Theres always something more you want or somebody else that wants it. The next dream you marry a wealthy old man. Financial pressure is gone, but could you live in a relationship like this where love is not the focus. Would your integrity be wounded or would you be fine? The third dream is marvellous. You feel inspired, emotionally charged, Capeable, clean and you are alone. Trt not to look to external circumstances for answers. Often they are daunting and negative. Try to be patient,having a goal for our life is important, but it doesnt have to come to pass first before you feel fulfilled. Dont look to others to fulfil your needs or you feel ripped off. Remember, in "wonder" Its you who feels great and its you who have the answers within you. You are enjoying yourself and your self feels fulfilled. ____________________________________________________________ Message: 495-008 Subject: My Daughter , my angel dream_title: My Daughter , my angel dream_date: 6-5-02 dream_text: The dream i had was so very real as if i were right there with my baby girl.She was in heaven and i was there with her but i could not see what heaven looked like we were in a room by ourself, she said mommy god told me i had something wrong with my heart and my daughter took her hand and placed my hand over her heart i could feel the skipped beats, and i said oh my god he is right i feel it. I got to hold my little girl and give her a kiss, i asked her if she was happy and she said "oh yes mommy it wonderful here we get to play all the time".I then dreamed that she was here on earth with us for a moment and she threw her hairbows away in the garbage can that i kept in her room. I wanted to look and see which ones she had kept so i would know what to not throw away but she had thrown them all away. dream_comments: I lost my eight and half year old daughter in oct, 1997 to an unsuccessful bone marrow transplant that went terribly wrong my baby hemorrhaged to death. I will never forgive myself for this for i should have been more hesitant about the transplant, but i wasn't please help me to understand what this dream means. Yes use my real email address,fanninedna@hotmail.com i would like to hear from others who have lost a child. Thank you. Comments: 495-009, 496-001, 496-004, 496-006 ____________________________________________________________ Message: 495-009 [495-008] Subject: Re: My Daughter , my angel Dear [name removed], It's not uncommon to have a "heaven" dream of loved ones that have passed on. I believe it is the spirit of our loved ones re- assuring us that they are fine and happy in the afterlife. Accept this dream as a visit from your little girl. Maybe the gesture of throwing away the little hairbows was a way of letting you know it's allright to let go. I lost twins in a miscarriage. Ever since then twins, usually adult, have been a frequent element in my dreams. I accept them as spirit guides who are there to reassure me about my own life. May you be blessed in this life and always, [name removed] ____________________________________________________________ Message: 496-001 [495-008] Subject: Re: My Daughter , my angel Iam mad that you didnt help me. No offence but I asked where to write to. Becuase my letters come from msn not yahoo. ____________________________________________________________ Message: 496-002 #ed.note: post removed (non-dream post)# ____________________________________________________________ Message: 496-003 Subject: really horrible nightmare dream_title: really horrible nightmare dream_date: a couple of times. the week begining 10th june dream_text: i keep having dreams that me and various other people have to hide because people are trying to shhot us with guns. my brother has been in all of the dreams and in the first one he actually got shot in the arm but this has not happened since. dream_comments: they are keeping me awake. they are really scaring me comments: 496-007 ____________________________________________________________ Message: 496-004 [495-008] Subject: Re: My Daughter , my angel Thank you for sharing such a painful experience. Please know you will be in my prayers tonight. I cannot imagine what a loss you have suffered. I wonder if you ever watch the TV show called "Crossing Over with John Edward" He claims to be a medium that can communicate with spirits of people crossed over to the other side. I read his book, "One Last Time" and I think it would be comforting to you. I don't know if I fully believe in what he says, but he seems to be sincere, and his TV show is amazing. If he is faking it, he is the best fooler I've seen. Mr. Edward says that lost loved ones do visit us in dreams...and you can tell the difference between a wish fullfillment dream of seeing your lost loved one and a visit from their spirit by the dream's intensity and vividness. I guess that means if it seems very real, it was probably the spirit of your lost loved one wanting to cantact you to let you know they are all right and to express their love. John Edward's show is in the SciFi channel on cable, and he also has a website. I wish you peace and will pray that the Lord will help your heart heal and help you to forgive yourself. God bless you. ____________________________________________________________ Message: 496-005 Subject: baby and me dream_title: baby and me dream_date: 6-14-2002 dream_text: I was seeing a babies face really close up...I know it had to be my child because I was breast feesing the child. But the thing is I have no children yet. I would see myself breast feeding then the babies face up close like it was really real. dream_comments: Please help me figure out what this dream means. Comments: 496-008 ____________________________________________________________ Message: 496-006 [495-008] Subject: Re: My Daughter , my angel Your dream sounds really interesting. It's like your daughter is trying to reach out to you and tell you not to feel bad about the transplant because she really died because of something else. And to tell you the truth, I don't think you should feel bad either. You agreed to the transplant to keep her alive. It's not your fault the whole thing was botched up. God might have just needed her in Heaven with Him. ____________________________________________________________ Message: 496-007 [496-003] Subject: Re: really horrible nightmare I've heard of dreams like yours before. When they're recurrent, they usually signify an extra sensory warning of some sort. I guess you can focus on your brother, since he was in all of the dreams. But you said he was shot in the arm, which probably means that if he gets hurt at all, it'll be in his arm. It doesn't necessarily mean he'll get shot, he might just break his arm or scar it. Dreams like yours are usually symbols, so it might not even be your brother, maybe just someone you consider to be like a brother. But the arm part sounds definite. ____________________________________________________________ Message: 496-008 [496-005] Subject: Re: baby and me Babies speak of new things. A new job or direction in life. Something of great importance to you. Because you were feeding and nurturing it, it appears you have desired this new thing and are deserving of it. Be excited about it! But remember that in the dream it was a baby and some things can still take years to reach fruitition. Once I had a dream about a baby and after it was caught up into heaven. This was a few years ago. Recently someone gave us a word of propheshy saying "Does the word baby mean anything to you?" My wife can't have anymore children so I believe we have our baby back. Someone just came up and gave us a car and said God told them to. Some old doors have closed for us and new ones have opened. Very exciting. Be ready something great is going to happen ____________________________________________________________ Message: 497-001 Subject: my mind is playing tricks on me dream_title: my mind is playing tricks on me dream_date: 6/15/02 dream_text: I'm in my old home town (L.A.) and I'm with my mother and some unfamiliar kids, which in the dreams seem like my nephews and nieces. We are shopping in a grocery store putting things in the cart. We approach the cashier and my mother and I begin to argue, for whatever reason, in front of everyone. I start to raise my voice to the point where I start to make a scene. Then a man tries to break us up, I start to run outside. I 'm running from my mother and this strange man. I hide for few moments to take my agression on a window, but I have no strength. My punches feel like I'm under water. Then I run, again being chased by my mother and this strange man. But I have no speed at all. I try hard but again, it feels like I under water. When I reach a street their is a midnight blue pick up with two young men in it. I get in the bed of the truck and yell" Go!, Go!" They speed off and I see my mom and this man getting smaller and smaller. The two men do not acknowledge me yet. I notice that we are heading south, passing parks with lakes in them. I look at me feet and am aware that I wearing black slippers and see another pair of shoes, which fontunately fit me. I throw the pair of old slippers out and just then an un marked police car speeds up behind us. As we reach a light the police man turns right. As we are driving south I notice that it's beigiining to look a lot like Pasadena,CA. Just then we reach a brand new apartment complex. And I get out to thank the men but they walk up the stairs to an apartment. I follow them into the apartment. As we walk in I see at least two dozen teenagers. None of them question who I am or where I came from nor do the two yound men that drove me there. They all decide to go to the park and play soccer, with out any question I follow them. Once we get to the park there are a group of us, at least thirty and they all seem to know each other like they have been together for years. They still don't question my existance but rather accept me. We divide into two teams. Just then one of the boys lights up a pipe of marijuana. It's a pipe I have never seen before or know how to use. Everyone gets a hit accept me they purposely skip me. I then tell the boy that started the rotation that I am from Phoenix,Az, which in reality is true. I tell him that in Arizona we don't care who you are if you are new or not we allow you to participate in the smoke session. For some resaon I feel left out and offended. He tells me that everytime a new person enters their rotation they smoke it all up. We play soccer for a short while and I notice that there are professional soccer players playing in the next field. After we play we all go back to the apartment. I notice that in the apartment are all my Compact discs and a stereo. To break the ice, because I still haven't introduced my self, I beigin to play the DJ role with my cd's. As I'm playing the cd's another smoke session begins and once again I 'm not included. Just then someone says "pass it to Sean" or "let Sean have a hit" somethig of that dream_comments: My mom and I have been arguing lately. I just re organized my cd collection playing songs I fogot I had. The world cup is going on right now. And this song, Ironic or not? Comments: 497-002 ____________________________________________________________ Message: 497-002 [497-001] Subject: Re: my mind is playing tricks on me It sounds like your dream just shows a lot of tension concerning you rmother. It also shows that you feel socially insecure, and people who feel that way usually do blend with pot smokers because they don't judge others. But I've found that when I have dreams like that it's best not to dwell on what the dream means because it would only lead to more of them. And if a person has too many dreams like yours, they begin to lose touch with reality. It might also help you to confront your mother in the dream if it occurs again. Then you would have a better idea of why you want to break windows while fighting with her. ____________________________________________________________ Message: 497-003 Subject: family betrayal dream_title: family betrayal dream_date: June16 dream_text: To me, the main part was my mother taking my wardrobe, with all my clothes, and my brother taking all my old diaries. They seemed to be conspiring together, against me. I confronted my mother about why I moved out (which I did three weeks ago) and told her about by on-going depression. My flat was joined onto a part of my high school (I finished there last year) and there were black spiders all over the place. I wasn't sure if they were alive or dead. I took comfort in the company of my old drama teacher, (who I am still friends with in real life, despite a 23 yr age diference)There was a wierd sexual attraction between us that is not there in real life. Generally, I felt that my family were being cruel, and I couldn't comprehend why they were doing it. dream_comments: the dram confused me because my relationship with my old drama teacher has never been sexual, despite friends teasing me, and saying differently. I am generally upset with my family, but we are still amicable, it seemed that my annoyance at them was all let out in my dream. Comments: 498-003 ____________________________________________________________ Message: 497-0042 Subject: picking one out of two. dream_title: picking one out of two. dream_date: may 23,2002 dream_text: I had a dream that this little girl that happen to be my crushes little sister told me that he already has a girlfriend. Then the next day I had a dream that I got a job that in reality I felt that I wasn't going to get. So on the morning of the third day I made my decision to wish upon the dream of the guy that I liked instead of the job, then by the third week of the next day the guy I liked made me confess about my feelings for him and then he kissed me and it turned out that I didn't get the job that I went to an interview for but I got the guy. dream_comments: and now things are not really going great with my new guy, and I feel like I made the wrong choice please help me with my guilt? Comments: 498-004 ____________________________________________________________ Message: 498-001 Subject: water and wind dream_title: water and wind dream_date: 6/14/2002 dream_text: I was in a pool full of water witch was completly clear like air. I know that it was water becaes it has some tiny ripples in it. But while i was floating in this pool i could feel wind just rusing at me but it wasnt like a current or anything just like a nice little breeze coming through. the water went away and i was lying in a field that was completly flat and look like it lasted forever. There was one tree i guess it was in the middle but i dont really know where the middle was. Then i felt like i was sinking and i was in the pool again but this time the grass and tree were on top or the water. at times i could stand on the grass and dive and be in the water and i could try to touch the tree but i would be back in the water. dream_comments: i dont now if this was a lucid dream becasue i dont really know much about them. This dream was also during the day. Comments: 498-005, 500-001 ____________________________________________________________ Message: 498-002 Subject: Chicken and Cat in Water dream_title: Chicken and Cat in Water dream_date: 6/6/2002 dream_text: There was a round pan of sorts with very clear water in it. The color such a you see in pictures of exotic islands. The water was boiling hot. In the pan was a white chiken facing about 10 o'clock and also at about the 10 o'clock position in the pan. Also in the pan was a white cat also facing the same direction but in about the 3 o'clock position of the pan. Both are about neck deep in the water. I am standing at the botton of the pan holding yet another white chicken by the legs as it was hanging downward. This chicken was wet as if it had also been in the water. ALL the animals were ALIVE but not uttering a sound. They do not seem to be any pain. But I have the feeling that they are suffering. Remember something about chopping the head off the chicken I was holding but never get it done because I woke up. Also at time when I close my eyes to go to sleep. I will see an eye which then recedes back a ways and I can see the face of an Owl. And also the side view of a hawk will sometimes appear. I get the feeling that it has something to do with the eyes. dream_comments: Not sure what any of this means. Can remember as a kid have to butcher chickens. After slitting their throat we used to dunk them in hot water to make the feather pull off easily. As for the Owl and Hawk don't understand that either. Sure wish I had some idea what this is all about. I have some very strange dreams and some are very scary. Comments: 498-006, 499-004 ____________________________________________________________ Message: 498-003 [497-003] Subject: Re: family betrayal You're right. Your annoyance at them was included in the dream as well as every worry you've had involving them. They sound like really crazy people. I hope things work out okay for you. ____________________________________________________________ Message: 498-004 [497-004] Subject: Re: picking one out of two. I think your guilt is mainly based on your dream. You're probably worrying that you misinterpreted it. But dreams are very complicated in the way they work. Sometimes dreams show you things backwards, like a baby means death and someone dying means a new baby. But sometimes a baby means new life....you see what I mean? But the fact that your crush didn't have a girlfriend means that you definitely did the right thing. Sometimes a dream's main purpose is to influence important choices or even show us what would happen if we made the wrong one. It could be possible that if you waited around for your job, your crush would have found a girlfriend and you would have been left with nothing. Trust me, you made the right choice. ____________________________________________________________ Message: 498-005 [498-001] Subject: Re: water and wind Your dream is classic symbolism. Water means new life, but from what i gather it sounds like you were dreaming about an island. Maybe you should take a vacation. It might give you some time to think about your life and the changes, if any, you want to make. You might feel like moving, changing jobs, or maybe even going into the dating world, if you haven't already. ____________________________________________________________ Message: 498-006 [498-002] Subject: Re: Chicken and Cat in Water My grandpa had a dream once that he saw a specific time of day in his head. Right after that dream, he got a call from me at that time that he saw and I was telling him that he did not get his license, which was a real tragedy for him. You kept saying that the animals were facing clock postions, which I found interesting. It could be possible that at 3:50 in the morning or afternoon something bad might happen. As for the eye thing, whatever will happen might be something unexpected, but what you said about butchering animals makes me wonder if this could all be about someone you worked with when you were butchering the animals. It also could be anyone you knew in your childhood. But I wouldn't worry about it, especially if you're taking antibiotics or anti anxiety medication. That will cause weird dreams that have no meaning whatsoever and are just plain annoying. ____________________________________________________________ Message: 498-007 Subject: three meteors I had a dream a few nights ago that nasa found out that a meteor was headed toward Earth and it were so big that we had to blow it up so the parts would scatter. So nasa sent one of their men to this place where the meteor were coming from, as if the meteor was an act of terrorism. But the astronaut got there and was going to disable some kind of bomb that they had created and were going to launch at Earth, and he kept goofing off and talking to himself and playing around in the dirt for so long that the bomb launched anyway. I was just standing around watching this as if it were some kind of movie. Then I was floating through space and I saw that there wasn't just one meteor, there were three. I heard someone say that Earth was doomed, even though I was alone in space. My last thought was that this could be part of the apocalypse and then I woke up. I remember when I was a kid nasa found a meteor and they said on the news that it would destroy the world if it got here, and my mom just told me that if it got too close they would use their instruments and technology to move it. I haven't thought about this kind of thing since then. ____________________________________________________________ Message: 499-001 #ed.note: message removed (non-dream post)# ____________________________________________________________ Message: 499-002 Subject: Death dream_title: Death dream_date: 2 weeks ago dream_text: in my dream i die 3 different ways. But I'm save in 2 ways but in both 2 i was badly hurt,because i saw my best friends die on the way to see me.But each way i die different friends die,and it all happens up at my familys cabin on the porch were the people I love pull up and get out of the car and stand and watch in huor trying to save me,and I'm wearing all white. Keeping eye contact with them 1.I cut my rest. 2.I take a hole bottle of asperin and down it with a bottle of Jack Dales. 3. as they pull up I look at them and I jump off the pouch. When they save me. 1.The boy I love get's out of the car and look at me and he tells me how much he loves me and don't do it.and I look at him and don't, and he run up to save me and we start to talk and walk.( I was going to jump that time) 2.As I was go to drink the Jack Danles a boy I really care forjump out the car and yelled stop and told me the loved me, and I look and him and just droped to the floor and I woke up in his harms and he was scared to death to see me go but I lived THEN I WOKE UP dream_comments: When I woke up I was crying to my self. PLESE IF ANY KNOWS WHAT THIS DREAM MEANS E-MAIL ME AT LovelySmilez411@msn.com ____________________________________________________________ Message: 499-003 Subject: village of conversion #ed.note: stan asks that his name and email remain with his post# stan kulikowski ii DATE : 18 jun 2002 08:37 DREAM : village of conversion =( yesterday was a monday, which is my one long day of teaching each week for the first part of this summer term. i have a class that begins just before 10:00 in the morning and one that ends at 21:10. i got home feeling tired as i had to lead two brainstorms exercises which is hard work for the leader of the session. i went right to bed about 23:00 but had difficulty getting to sleep. my left shoulder has been aching from some ailment for many months and does not seem to be getting any better on its own. my ability to lift it is limited to about 45 degrees, so i have started twice weekly massage treatments with my friend julius. the massage sessions are not very comfortable, but that is to be expected as it will take a while to relieve the frozen shoulder. around 02:00 i woke with my shoulder hurting. it seems worse when i lay down, so i sat up and did some computer work for a couple hours. around 04:30 i tried to get to sleep, but found that my mother had set the air conditioner back to 75. she does not seem to remember or maybe believe that i can sleep well only at 70 or lower. that seems too cold for her. i reset the thermometer and it took almost an hour for the house to cool enough for me to get back to sleep. )= i am waiting patiently on the front step of the porch from my house. down the street i can see my two friends coming for me. they are moving on the sidewalk very carefully, one slow step at a time. a few minutes and they make it to my house. with a sigh of relief the first then the other jump up on the porch where i have been waiting for them. "ready to go?" the first asks me. i shake my head in agreement and the three of us prepare to leave the porch. the other young man goes over to the step and peers down at the sidewalk for a moment. all of the sidewalks are made of a thin white corrugated plastic extending between side rails of concrete. normally the rippling waves of the corrugation stretch from side to side, at right angles to your direction of travel. the waves are of cross purpose, opposing the direction of movement upon the sidewalk. you can stand still on the cross grain, but if you start to walk a poison is released and within a few yards you will sicken and die. if you try to step off of the white sidewalks, you get a toxic shock that will kill you immediately. the only way to get around in the village is to follow a convert, like my two friends here. certain people, if they stare at the sidewalk and concentrate, can cause the corrugation in a local stretch to turn ninety degrees which forms a channel in the direction you want to walk. upon this it is safe to move from place to place. but it slow going. with my friend in the front paving the way for the three of us, it takes us about 10 minutes to move 100 meters. the other young man who is also a convert that can pave the way is resting on this trip outward from my house. he did the conversion getting to me, and now needs a break or he might lose his concentration on the way. normally a convert would rest at any destination for an hour or two before starting out again, but today we were in hurry so they decided to double team the task. after another 15 minutes or so, we arrive at an intersection of several sidewalks in the town. a couple city officials are present, standing around the prone bodies of five people who died on the path. large kills like this are fairly uncommon. it seems that four of them were trying to crowd into the path following a single convert who got too tired to continue the journey. panic spread once the last man in line got too sick and fell over cramping. a couple of them had stepped off the path and were stricken. once three of the travelers were down, the tired convert lost his focus and they all died: convulsing, screaming, projectile vomit spewing in all directions for several minutes. it is a horrible way to die. "ah, you have arrived at last." says the mayor of our town to me. "what can we do to convince people not to crowd too many on a convert?" I shake my head. the mayor travels with two converts simultaneously clearing the way so he can move around rather quickly compared to everyone else. his conversion is paid for as a town expense, but most of the citizens have to hire their own converts. "just the other day, we found a young woman, a convert, dead on her own." i tell the mayor. "travel is not perfectly reliable under any conditions." "we are working on the oil." he says to me. this is a thin clear oil, a derivative of neatsfoot, which can be poured down the channels of a converted sidewalk to slow its return to contra corrugation. the problem is that it costs a lot and only lasts a hour at most before evaporating. for town meetings a block or two of sidewalk can be made safe for a stretch, but soon everyone has to return home with single converts leading the way. =( i wake around 08:15 with my shoulder aching and feeling too hot. mother has turned the air conditioning back to 75 so i doubt that i will get back to sleep this morning. there was a little more to this dream which has escaped me now. i think i went somewhere else in the village and one of my converts died in transit. but i can not recall it well enough now. i had the sense of the village being a resort area like on a beach. there were no large trees or even much grass, just sandy soil and those narrow confining sidewalks. i can not imagine anyone wanting to come to such a toxic place, but i suspect that the lethal conditions were somewhat recent so everyone did not really understand the dangers of overcrowding the few converts available. )= comments: 500-007 ____________________________________________________________ Message: 499-004 [498-002] Subject: Re: Chicken and Cat in Water The owl and the hawk sound very spiritual and can be translated into something positive. However if we become afraid, we can find a lot of strange things comming in that wont make sence. Owls speak of wisdom and hawks, keeness and descernment. Keep sending in dreams Grizz, and try not to focus to much on the negative. You sound a very interesting person. ____________________________________________________________ Message: 500-001 [498-001] Subject: Re: water and wind Interesting dream. Sounds like an awesome experience. I think the tree is something you have been waiting a long time for. Some goal or desire of great worth to you. The touching it and slipping back means two things to me. You are nearly there because its in your grasp, and its going to take a little while longer to achieve so be patient. When it comes to pass let us know. Good luck and good flying. ____________________________________________________________ Message: 500-002 Subject: A windy night dream_title: A windy night dream_date: 6/18-19/02 dream_text: I was walking on a sidewalk at night in the summer (the trees were greenish) with a woman at my side (could be a fellow employee - don't quite remember). Walking behind me were two males one of which was a fellow employee whom I work with. Suddenly I expelled gas. It was a real stinker. I looked behind me and the two people walking behind me were now trailing 30 or more feet behind me waving their hands by their noses saying woo. When I turned back around the female employee was now 20 feet ahead of me. This is all I remember. dream_comments: This is a wierd dream but true. It must have been something I ate but I was quite windy that night. I would not think to have this dream enterprited but a fellow employee of mine wondered what the enerpretation would be. Comments: 500-008 ____________________________________________________________ Message: 500-003 Subject: animals run wild dream_title: animals run wild dream_date: Jan 2001 dream_text: looking ahead I could see a clear distinction between the green land and the blue sky - very much like how a child would draw - a bright fiery sun slowly came down into view, taking up a large proportion and a mass of wild animals came running towards me. The animals were of a pale grey colour and it appeared as only their outline. after running through me I was sat on a bench alongside a male person whom I did not know. The dream was very surreal and quite none threatening. Although I was apart of it I felt as if I was merely observing. All colours were of a water colour appearance. Very soft with no sharp outlines.This dream created an impact and I felt quite calm when waking up. dream_comments: I used to dream practically every night, all of varying themes, but some reoccurring. Sometimes I have felt as if someone or something is trying to drag me out of my body, where I have to fight real hard to stay where I am - one time I found myself being all wolf like and snarling (highly embarassing) One particular scary moment is when a dark figure at the end of my bed was trying to pull me towards him, in fighting back and white figure drifted over and kissed me on the cheek. One time when I was about 4 years i became delerious and envisioned two hands in the prayer position coming towards me. Too much information? sorry but I've never had a clear explanation of things I have dreamt and am so looking forward in hearing others peoples comment. Thanks. Comments: 500-010, 501-002, 501-003 ____________________________________________________________ Message: 500-004 Subject: The Coolest Dream I Ever Had dream_title: The Coolest Dream I Ever Had dream_date: 3/24/2002 dream_text: I went to high school naked, and I didn't care. I walked through the halls tall and naked, and I felt no shame. A few other students were naked, but most wore clothes. I went to classes and was sometimes late, or I skipped or slept in. I never even went to some complicated classes. My hair was long and thick, growing past my ass. When I got hungry, I went naked to the store and bought a carton of seafood Basque. Once I entered a hallway where a group of students were silently dancing in unison. I stood and watched them in silence. dream_comments: This was after a week's vacation in which I didn't go anywhere. Comments: 500-006 ____________________________________________________________ Message: 500-005 #ed.note: message deleted (non-dream post)# ____________________________________________________________ Message: 500-006 [500-004] Subject: Re: The Coolest Dream I Ever Had This dream is reminding you of the part of you that likes to take risks, break the rules. A lot of people are embarassed in their naked dreams. It sounds like you are very secure about yourself, which is a quality most people don't have. ____________________________________________________________ Message: 500-007 [499-003] Subject: Re: village of conversion I live with my grandparents, and they're always making the house hot. The worst part is that I sleep in the smallest, most cluttered bedroom. But like you, I can't sleep in heat. It makes me nervous. But also what it makes me do is dream very strange dreams that don't seem to make any sense at all. I think that you might have had that same problem monday night. But all that stuff about the plastic and the currents, and toxicity might have meant that you were subconsciously sensing a lack of bloodflow to your shoulder. That could have been why you woke up in pain. Maybe you should talk to a doctor about it. I've walked around for months with something as serious as a dislocated joint and not done anything about it. Some people don't even notice these things. But I have to tell you from experience that a misdiagnosis and improper treatment cause permanent aches and pains after the injury is, according to doctors, no longer a threat. I've seen people who have taken morphine for years for this reason. ____________________________________________________________ Message: 500-008 [500-002] Subject: Re: A windy night I think that you worry more about your gas than anything else. I know you may have a sense of humor, but what I'm really trying to say is that if you're around a woman and you accidentally break wind you shouldn't worry about it. It's a normal function that is necessary to stay healthy. My aunt refuses to pass gas, even on the toilet, and she is very heavy and bloated. If you're bold enough to post your fart dreams on the internet, you need a woman who can take a joke and admit that she farts too. Because we all do it (with the exception of my deranged aunt), we just don't want to admit how often we do it. That's my view, and I hope you and your friend have fun with it. ____________________________________________________________ Message: 500-009 Subject: snakes and forearm dream_title: snakes and forearm dream_date: 18 June 2002 dream_text: It was evening and I was enjoying dinner with two friends of mine. The restaurant was quiet and almost serene. One woman Jessica is a very close friend of mine, the other Darlene a woman who had worked for me and we had become friends. I do not see Darlene very often anymore. As I was eating my meal, my left forearm started to throb 4 inches down from my wrist. Then the skin started to move and protrude. I felt the skin tear open without any associated pain and the bright green head of a snake come thru. I ran from the table clutching my arm with my former friend close behind. As I was running down a hallway the snake fell to the carpet. It must have been two feet long. I couldn't breathe. The tail of the second snake was protruding out of the cut in my arm. There was no blood. I grabbed the tail and pulled, only six inches of the snake came out, the tail tore in two leaving the rest of the snake in my forearm. I know Darlene was with me when I fainted. dream_comments: I have never been more frightened in my life. I have no idea what this could possibly mean. Can you help me. ____________________________________________________________ Message: 500-010 [500-003] Subject: Re: animals run wild When I was a small child, I had some interesting dreams myself. Some of them would happen. I remember one time I dreamed about an orphan girl who was showing me things that really didn't concern me at that point, and were really weird too. But when I woke up the girl had become a gold outline of a butterfly flying above me. Then I felt what I distinctly knew was a man's hand touching my face. When I was fully conscious, I began to worry about my grandfather, thinking that man was his ghost. My insticts were wrong, but at the time my sister was visiting. A few years later she moved in and started a chain of events that led to my moving away from my abusive mother and being diagnosed with epilepsy. My sister contributed to my moving out, but not in a good way. She was beating on me too, and she was too old to do it and I was too young to be subjected to that. I can't say all that happened, but I can relate to your dreams. I just have to say that weird dreams are usually a result of your home not being the right temperature at night or even antibiotics or antianxiety medications. If you're taking anything for health problems I would ask your doctor if that's a side effect, because it often is. ____________________________________________________________ Message: 501-001 Subject: 2 guys that I have a crush on dream_date: June 19, 2002 dream_text: I am visiting a town that is a 2 hour drive away. Then, for some reason, I walk back to the town where I go to school. It doesn't seem to take long. When I get there, I see 2 guys that I have a crush on getting out of a van, both wearing red shirts. We start walking together and end up at the video store, just talking. Then, I take the one that I like more aside and ask him out. As I walk out the door, I hand the one I like better one of the cans of pop(Mt Dew)that I was holding. After that, I just walk back to where I came from and it still seems to be only a couple of minutes. But, when I'm almost there, I hit a patch of mud and almost get stuck, but escape, and then continue into the town. ____________________________________________________________ Message: 501-002 [500-003] Subject: Re: animals run wild Hi. Green land and blue sky give a sence of balance and serenity. Very positive. The feiry sun an expression of power and confidence or an expectation of something wonderful about to happen. Power and balance can be very exillerating and worthy of desire. To be calm and serene shows a certain comfortableness and understanding of what you are experiencing. The colour grey is often associated with negativity and uncertainty. The fact you ended up next to a male after a flood of grey animals(animals can mean our emotions)came running through you, would probably suggest that the unknown man had some association with negativity for you. Perhaps thoughts of a partner to share yourself with triggered off the grey animals. However you held your composure well and the whole episode ended very well for you. ____________________________________________________________ Message: 501-003 [500-003] Subject: Re: animals run wild Hi. I would encourage you to get involved with dream interpretation it sounds like you have a really special gift. I have experienced many similar things in past years and have found that being part of something like this is very fullilling. I read a book once called Paranormal and it explained what you said as the beginnig of a mediumistic trance. (Usually accompanied by a sound simillar to rushing water). I used to find my experiences very scarry to start, however I would end up in all different places very concious of it afterward and calm as well. This hasnt happened now for many years. I have develloped quite a positive interpretation exercise now and even the most disturbing dreams I have work out for good. I awaken now challenged to be acountable and take steps to prevent the negative things I may sometimes dream from coming to pass. Either I'm warned or inspired and have recieved some amazing results from these promptings ____________________________________________________________ Message: 501-004 #ed.note: message removed (non-dream post)# ____________________________________________________________ Message: 501-005 Subject: Professor L dream_title: Professor L dream_date: June 19, 2002 dream_text: I dreamt that I was having great, passionate sex with my professor and it was so real. When I woke up I felt like I had cheated on my husband. I've had a crush on this Professor for 3 weeks now. What does my dream indicate. It was so real, and I didn'twant it to stop. dream_comments: was it just some subconsious play on my feeligs or him? Or ca it have a greater ramification? Comments: 501-006, 501-008 ____________________________________________________________ Message: 501-006 [501-005] Subject: Re: Professor L If you have a crush on him then that explians why you dreamt about him in that way. However take it as a warning not to spend any private time with him if you value your marriage. This was only a dream however and so it hasn't happened. Doesn't mean it will happen and you still can say no to your desires and him if the need arises. Dont let it play on your mind because these things can lead to a wanting to experiment. ____________________________________________________________ Message: 501-007 #ed.note: message removed (non-dream post)# ____________________________________________________________ Message: 501-008 [501-005] Subject: Re: Professor L Everyone has had dreams like yours, and everyone comes across this situation when they're married. Being married doesn't mean you're not going to feel a slight attraction every now and then, it means that you're always going to fight it to remain faithful to your spouse. Sex dreams sometimes don't even mean you have a crush on someone, it means that they represent a figure in your past that you think of in that way. Your professor might remind you of your husband. Come to think of it, your husband probably has sex dreams about other women. He wouldn't dwell on them, and he wouldn't want you to dwell on yours, either. That's what marriage is about, and the same thing goes for real life attractions. Your husband might think someone at work is pretty, but he wouldn't cheat on you, just like you shouldn't cheat on him. ____________________________________________________________ Message: 502-001 Subject: pregnant with twins dream_date: 6-21-02 dream_text: im in my house up in bedroom on my bed in a girl from school i like we have sex and later i find out she pregnant with twins crutof_69@yahoo.com dream_comments: please use my e-mail comments: 502-002 ____________________________________________________________ Message: 502-002 [502-001] Subject: Re: pregnant with twins That's a classic. You're dreaming a fear, of a worry, that maybe if you keep having sex you might get a girl pregnant with twins. Then you would really be in trouble. Twins are twice the work and twice the money, and I would find it very amusing to see that happen to a couple of teenagers. That's your lesson, you'll never know if a girl you're sleeping with is capable of having twins. 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